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    No way, he has got the best euphemisms for sex I have ever heard! That was a cracker, good one. Come to think of it, it’s sort of a good way to convey your ideology pretty insidiously.

    'I want you to wreck it'
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    (Original post by Consie)
    The thing I cant work out is when people watch Hannity, or read Ann Coulter, is if they are watching it knowing they're talking crap and just want to have a laugh and be enterained, or they actually are taking it seriously and think they're being informed of the way things 'really' are (i.e. with the 'far left' wanting to ruin America ect).
    What do you mean by "watch Hannity"? Does everyone forget that there is an opposing view on Hannity and Colmes? His co-host, Alan Colmes is a lefty!
    I found this clip where you can see the show in it's proper context:
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nveiuL...elated&search=

    Kirsten Powers, the Democrat strategist is a guest along side Ann Coulter. Sean Hannity is the wing host and Alan Clomes is the left wing host. The left wing group, media matters, edits out Alan Colmes and all the left wing guests. When media matters is done with this clip, they will take out Kirsten Powers and Alan Colmes so it will look like only Coulter and Hannity's views are heard. Then they play it online to people who have never seen it and everyone is up in arms over the station. I'm not arguing that the show is perfectly balanced...Hannity is funnier, quicker, smarter, and less dorky looking than Colmes, but it's nowhere near as one-sided as the media matters clips make it look.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    What do you mean by "watch Hannity"? Does everyone forget that there is an opposing view on Hannity and Colmes? His co-host, Alan Colmes is a lefty!
    I found this clip where you can see the show in it's proper context:
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nveiuL...elated&search=

    Kirsten Powers, the Democrat strategist is a guest along side Ann Coulter. Sean Hannity is the wing host and Alan Clomes is the left wing host. The left wing group, media matters, edits out Alan Colmes and all the left wing guests. When media matters is done with this clip, they will take out Kirsten Powers and Alan Colmes so it will look like only Coulter and Hannity's views are heard. Then they play it online to people who have never seen it and everyone is up in arms over the station. I'm not arguing that the show is perfectly balanced...Hannity is funnier, quicker, smarter, and less dorky looking than Colmes, but it's nowhere near as one-sided as the media matters clips make it look.
    The average American "liberal" is centrist, at least by European standards.
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    (Original post by Consie)
    The question is however, would you shag her?
    Surely bestiality is illegal in the States?
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    (Original post by Invocation)
    The average American "liberal" is centrist, at least by European standards.
    Your point being what? The fact is that the show does have two hosts who represent both sides of the political spectrum in the US. I don't expect British hosts to represent the American political spectrum.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    "America is often portrayed as an ignorant, unsophisticated sort of place, full of bible bashers and ruled to a dangerous extent by trashy television, superstition and religious bigotry, a place lacking in respect for evidence based knowledge. I know that is how it is portrayed because I have done my bit to paint that picture..." BBC's Washington correspondent Justin Webb

    There are just as many people tearing their hair out over the BBC as they are over fox news. Here's a video like the one in the first post:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STJvW...ed%2Bbbc%2Buss

    Here are a couple of anti-bbc blogs:
    http://theamericanexpatinuk.blogspot.com/
    http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/
    http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/

    It just depends on what your politics are. If you are a left winger, Fox news is going to drive you nuts, If you are right wing, 90% of the new outlets will bother you. The mainstream media still has a left wing bias and probably always will.
    That video was not the same at all. It used newspaper headlines from right-wing newspapers(telegraph, mail, express) instead of actual BBC footage and told the viewer what the BBC was doing rather than proved it. Kind of like Fox News, actually.
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    (Original post by Invocation)
    The average American "liberal" is centrist, at least by European standards.
    So what exactly is your point? Will you only be satisfied when they replace Alan Colmes with a socialist from Europe? You're just going to have to accept that right and left mean different things in America.
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    But how liberal has come to mean left wing (i.e., not even centre left) is ridiculous. Republicans are supposed to be economically liberal in the proper sense of the word. At the end of the day they're only words, the things they describe are more important, I just wish they'd step back and sort them out for a moment though.

    What do you mean by "watch Hannity"? Does everyone forget that there is an opposing view on Hannity and Colmes? His co-host, Alan Colmes is a lefty!
    I found this clip where you can see the show in it's proper context:
    Colmes gets shouted down by Hannity and Hannity is far more charismatic, as you’ve pointed out. Colmes basically serves to inform the viewer there is a commercial break approaching half way through an argument between Hannity and whoever the given guest is lol.

    I've never seen Coulter in that capacity; I’ve mainly seen her on other shows where she’s plugging her book or whatever alone. She’s got a great ability to continue with her monologue regardless of any other dialogue, I find it hard to just keep on talking when other people are asking you thinks or talking over you – i.e. I tend to adjust rather than just spout a pre-learnt answer.

    Whilst the entertainment factor can be funny if you really don’t take them seriously, I don’t think the amount of animosity between lefties and right wingers, which is basically playground level in media, even if it’s just for a laugh, is really that good for proper dialogue. It’s fine to have Bill O ****ging liberals off for a laugh, but I cant really think of many other shows that have a proper high quality discussion to counter this trend without it turning, to some extent, into a ****ging off session. Then again, I’m not American and don’t have as clear access to your media as you do, so these shows might exist.
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    (Original post by Consie)
    Colmes gets shouted down by Hannity and Hannity is far more charismatic, as you’ve pointed out. Colmes basically serves to inform the viewer there is a commercial break approaching half way through an argument between Hannity and whoever the given guest is lol.
    They are given an equal amount of time on the show. Maybe it seems like Hannity has more time because he uses more of the time to talk and Colmes uses his time to let his guests speak.

    (Original post by Consie)
    Whilst the entertainment factor can be funny if you really don’t take them seriously, I don’t think the amount of animosity between lefties and right wingers, which is basically playground level in media, even if it’s just for a laugh, is really that good for proper dialogue.
    You know, you can also have a lot of fun with Michael Moore, the Ann Coulter of the left, if you view him as entertainment and don't take him seriously. It took me a long time to stop taking him seriously and stop letting him get my goat. I found this clip to be quite funny:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KW2grBETQ

    Moore-on is about to go off the deep end! Better get the straight jacket ready!
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    moore shoots himself in the foot there. He begins to get owned on that doctor being better than him for reporting facts, so he immediately changes subject to 'why are we there in the first place' but then when Blitzer tries to change it back to Sicko immediately after (which hes on to plug) and he kicks off for him chaning the subject back to the revevent one!
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    (Original post by Consie)
    moore shoots himself in the foot there. He begins to get owned on that doctor being better than him for reporting facts, so he immediately changes subject to 'why are we there in the first place' but then when Blitzer tries to change it back to Sicko immediately after (which hes on to plug) and he kicks off for him chaning the subject back to the revevent one!
    Sicko isn't really doing well, so many are saying that all this yelling and screaming he keeps doing is to generate controversy, keep his name in the news and help sell tickets. I'm not sure it's working for him though. One thing that is interesting about all of this is that it's just more evidence that the days of the civilized interview are over. It doesn't matter what news station you are talking about or who is conducting the interview. Somehow pro-wrestling and interviewing have merged. It's now about who "wins" or "gets owned" than about anything else.
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    I tried to raise this issue, but got mauled by libetaraians for wanting to crush free speech.

    sometimes I think people like Moore miss the point. He has discredited a lot of what he wanted to get across by being too blame happy and wanting to be sensationalist. He could still highlight American healthcare problems without distorting facts or being theatrical, and doing it that way would probably acheive his goal better of informing Americans of what he wants to inform them about anyway.
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    (Original post by Consie)
    I tried to raise this issue, but got mauled by libetaraians for wanting to crush free speech.

    sometimes I think people like Moore miss the point. He has discredited a lot of what he wanted to get across by being too blame happy and wanting to be sensationalist. He could still highlight American healthcare problems without distorting facts or being theatrical, and doing it that way would probably acheive his goal better of informing Americans of what he wants to inform them about anyway.
    I agree about Moore. He has presented some powerful arguments and evidence but manages to obscure the impact with what amounts to a naughty schoolboy approach to the camera as well as, as you say, trying to overstate his case when he just doesn't need to. I'd like to see Adam Curtis present Moore's material - that would be so much more devastating.
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    (Original post by Dionysus)
    http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=ercbaum8n6

    Please watch this video and give your opinions. Personally, I think it's all too true.
    What's funny about this is that it really boils down to who is editing the video, for example, if a clip like this one was used you would come to a completely different conclusion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2egPj...eature=related

    Here you have Neal Gabler fantasizing about conservative journalist Bill Kristol's funeral live on fox news. Sounds like something you would hear on a left wing news outlet, doesn't it?
 
 
 
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