Why abortion should be illegal

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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I don't really understand the relevance of what you're saying though. My point has been that the fact people will continue to do something after it has been banned that's not a valid reason for not banning it. Your experience with criminals also seems rather irrelevant


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    it not that people carry on it the death and corruption that it brings
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    (Original post by jamesthehustler)
    it not that people carry on it the death and corruption that it brings
    How does it bring corruption?


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    How does it bring corruption?


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    corrupt doctors who will do the deed
    they in turn pay corrupt cops to turn a blind eye
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    (Original post by jamesthehustler)
    corrupt doctors who will do the deed
    they in turn pay corrupt cops to turn a blind eye
    I think that's incredibly unlikely


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I think that's incredibly unlikely


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    But that's exactly what happens when abortion has been made illegal. You get people that will do the proceedure illegally and considerably less safely, and a rise in people going elsewhere to get an abortion.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I don't really understand the relevance of what you're saying though. My point has been that the fact people will continue to do something after it has been banned that's not a valid reason for not banning it. Your experience with criminals also seems rather irrelevant


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    Prohibition?

    I dare say far less if any people would have heard of Al Capone without it.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Prohibition?

    I dare say far less if any people would have heard of Al Capone without it.
    (Original post by Gwilym101)
    But that's exactly what happens when abortion has been made illegal. You get people that will do the proceedure illegally and considerably less safely, and a rise in people going elsewhere to get an abortion.
    People still have illegal abortions but as for paying off police I wouldn't be so sure. As I've repeatedly said, the fact that people will still do something even if it is illegal is not a reason to not make it legal.


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    People still have illegal abortions but as for paying off police I wouldn't be so sure. As I've repeatedly said, the fact that people will still do something even if it is illegal is not a reason to not make it legal.
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    It is a reason to not ban it if more people are going to die from banning it.
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    (Original post by Gwilym101)
    It is a reason to not ban it if more people are going to die from banning it.
    No it isn't, fewer people might die if heroin was legalised so I assume you support that?


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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Abortion is completely immoral. Just think of the number of potential Einsteins, Churchills etc that have been murdered in the name of "right to choice".
    and don't forget the potential Trumps and Mussolinis etc.

    Look at all the potentially great people that won't achieve great things because society views teen mothers as a disgrace, the unmarried women having children seen as disgusting, the women told the universe will give them the means to raise their child, but refuses to pay into the welfare state or child support system....

    It is unfair to place value on a foetus when once born they mean nothing to the 'pro life' movement that forced them to exist...
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    Abortion being illegal is dangerous.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    No it isn't, fewer people might die if heroin was legalised so I assume you support that?


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    I support that.

    Portugal. Look it up.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Abortion is completely immoral. Just think of the number of potential Einsteins, Churchills etc that have been murdered in the name of "right to choice".
    Just think of the potential great scientists and leaders who have had to give up their education and stay home to look after a child they didn't want...

    Also, wasn't Hitler's mum talked out of abortion? Anti-choicers really mucked up with that one.

    Something to google: the Rockefeller commission
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    I support that.

    Portugal. Look it up.
    I'm aware of their drug policy but I'd suggest you're in a minority of people who'd suggest heroin should be legalised


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    (Original post by BB8)
    I support that.

    Portugal. Look it up.
    I'm aware of their drug policy however there is a difference between decriminalisation and legalisation. I'd suggest you're in a minority of people who'd suggest heroin should be legalised


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I'm aware of their drug policy however there is a difference between decriminalisation and legalisation. I'd suggest you're in a minority of people who'd suggest heroin should be legalised


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    I'm in support of Portugal's policy and I think other countries should take a leaf from their book. I'm definitely not in support of people spending years in prison for drug use (not talking about dealers, just users) or for healthcare (which is what people are suggesting in this thread). So whatever terms you would use to describe that, sure.
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    (Original post by BB8)
    I'm in support of Portugal's policy and I think other countries should take a leaf from their book. I'm definitely not in support of people spending years in prison for drug use (not talking about dealers, just users) or for healthcare (which is what people are suggesting in this thread). So whatever terms you would use to describe that, sure.
    But if you legalise drugs completely then you can't imprison drug dealers, my initial point that was by your logic drugs should be legalised, not just decriminalised.

    I wouldn't classify having an abortion because you carelessly got pregnant as 'health' care.


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    (Original post by Gwilym101)
    It is a reason to not ban it if more people are going to die from banning it.
    We're not living in the 1930s any more. Banning abortion would not result in backstreet coathanger-style invasive abortions. If anything, it would be the smuggling of abortifacient drugs. Ireland has to deal with this to some degree.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    We're not living in the 1930s any more. Banning abortion would not result in backstreet coathanger-style invasive abortions. If anything, it would be the smuggling of abortifacient drugs. Ireland has to deal with this to some degree.
    I think with the boom in medical tourism you'd also see a lot of people going abroad to have abortions to. Like I said before there isn't a sensible reason in favour of or against abortions but in my view when there's no sensible reason against something it has to be legal


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I think with the boom in medical tourism you'd also see a lot of people going abroad to have abortions to. Like I said before there isn't a sensible reason in favour of or against abortions but in my view when there's no sensible reason against something it has to be legal
    I suppose from a detached perspective you could criminalise that too, if you wanted to close down the theoretical loophole there. An offence of travelling abroad to procure an abortion could be applied.
 
 
 
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