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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper;[url="tel:67251212")
    67251212[/url]]I've seen foot and mouth on lambs. It's nasty to look at.

    And your farm is really nice.
    Thanks!

    It is. Worse was the stench of burning flesh...

    Ultimately, we would not get sufficient protein to be strong and fully functioning 'naturally'.

    Yes, nowadays you can get some protein in through Whey and nuts (other pulses etc) but it is pretty tough work.
    Easier just eating meat and downing milk (if you are going to be very against meat and all about 'ethics' then really you should be vegan as milking cows is 'unethical')

    Probs should never take your pets to the vet as they'll be all scared and upset...


    This 'natural' chat really just can't be applied to modern life.

    I think it boils down to your views on anthropocentrism.

    Each to their own. Meat eating will never end, we are in huge majority but i respect those who do not eat meat.

    Although, if i were being cynical then i'd suggest that those who are vegitarian/vegan have less first hand experience with animals than those who do eat meat (excluding those who live in India and due to religious reasons are vegitarian - they view the cow as sacred etc)
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly;[url="tel:67251294")
    67251294[/url]]For the same reasons slavery was /is a thing.

    You're a fatty that waddles into TESCO and picks it off the shelf.
    Nice abusive comment to another user, well done bro! (sarcasm, just in case you couldn't tell)
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    if you eat raw cabbage you will be fine, if you eat raw meat you will get ill. We aren't carnivores, if a lion eats raw meat that is okay because it is a part of his diet and basic biology, we don't need meat to survive.
    We're Omnivores, we can eat an awful lot of things and be fine. Also It depends on the meat and it's preparation as high salt meats tend to be too hostile for bacteria to survive on and fish can also be safe raw.
    Take a look at this case to see my point.

    As you said though, we don't need it to survive and our early nomadic ancestors mainly survived on nuts,berries and fruits with animals hunted by larger tribes for furs and festivities (or when food bearing plants were scarce).

    Personally though, I only really eat 3 meats (and not raw): pig, chicken and fish.However, this is not for any moral reason but rather for taste, availability and diet (I eat a fair amount of fruit veg but soy based alternatives just don't agree with my digestive system).

    So to summarise, people eat meat because they either aren't morally challenged by the slaughter fest of the meat industry or because they don't know about it in enough detail (most people still think the animals are raised on a farm and killed in adulthood, especially Americans).
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    (Original post by Unistudent77)
    People who are biased/have vested interests.

    There are v clever people who are racist.

    There are very very clever people who believe in God.

    There are very very clever people who refute any notion of a god.

    What is your point? (Bar trying to score points and have a childish dig at someone who does something you don't like ie eats meat)
    Honestly if you've read any of my posts in this thread you'll see that I've not had a dig at anyone. Just don't believe that's the way to go. Instead you'll see a lot of people who eat meat take the piss out of the OP. It's funny when people talk about militant vegans being horrible and trying to convert them but I see a lot more of people who eat meat criticising the vegan lifestyle, and just taking the piss.

    I'm getting a bit off track though, I was simply replying to someone who was outraged by the idea that the meat industry is comparable to slavery. If you cannot come to this conclusion by simply comparing the two, then why not listen to Peter Singer? He's arguably the world greatest living moral philosopher. He completely agrees with the idea that the meat industry is comparable to slavery.
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    (Original post by 0range)
    Honestly if you've read any of my posts in this thread you'll see that I've not had a dig at anyone. Just don't believe that's the way to go. Instead you'll see a lot of people who eat meat take the piss out of the OP. It's funny when people talk about militant vegans being horrible and trying to convert them but I see a lot more of people who eat meat criticising the vegan lifestyle, and just taking the piss.

    I'm getting a bit off track though, I was simply replying to someone who was outraged by the idea that the meat industry is comparable to slavery. If you cannot come to this conclusion by simply comparing the two, then why not listen to Peter Singer? He's arguably the world greatest living moral philosopher. He completely agrees with the idea that the meat industry is comparable to slavery.
    Very true.
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    Good Lord, what is it with meat eaters getting upset about veggies/vegans talikg about their choices? You didn;t have to click on this thread, no-one is "forcing" anything down your throat. Grow up, kids.
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    (Original post by Unistudent77)
    It's deluded to think meat eating will be in the minority in the future.

    People can choose to eat meat, people can choose to not.

    Personally i like eating meat and i have been in a slaughter house. I'm aware where my food comes from having grown up on a farm and still live in an area surrounded by farms.

    All my lambs were burnt due to foot and mouth. Burnt right in front of me.

    Their death was nothing to do with my meat consumption. Yes, they were bred to ultimately be eaten but nature took them rather barbarically away.

    The animal kingdom is pretty rough. Going vegitarian won't make those lovely cute foxes not maul the chickens next door.
    It won't stop the crows picking at the severed body of a rabbit.
    It is what it is.

    I think we have to try and be as humane as possible but we need to kill it to eat it so that's that.

    All my pets are going to get old and unfortunately die. It's life.

    However, people can abstain from eating meat. That's genuinely fine by me but if they push it in front of my face and try and shame others for eating meat, then that will annoy me
    Hypothetical question: if it became viable to quit meat consumption while still easily meeting even the most demanding nutritional requirements (ie. due to fungal proteins and decent meat substitutes with the appropriate amounts of macro and micronutrients), would you keep eating meat? At that point, producing a bunch of sentient creatures for the sole purpose of slaughtering them wouldn't be necessary for anything more than enjoyment.

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    Good Lord, what is it with meat eaters getting upset about veggies/vegans talikg about their choices? You didn;t have to click on this thread, no-one is "forcing" anything down your throat. Grow up, kids.
    Yeah, it seems that any such discussion brings up passive-aggressive contributions from some edgy meat eaters. I struggle to find like-minded, level-headed meat eaters who are willing to look at the situation without bias.
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    (Original post by Philbert)
    Good Lord, what is it with meat eaters getting upset about veggies/vegans talikg about their choices? You didn;t have to click on this thread, no-one is "forcing" anything down your throat. Grow up, kids.
    Mockery and ridicule passes for sound arguments these days. Our culture is becoming quite pathetic.
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    I have no problem eating meat - however I have a problem with how it's done. One of the much overlooked benefits of being a Muslim (which I am) is that I have 100% certainty that until the animals are slaughtered, they are kept in the most humane environment possible. For example, animals must be free-range. They cannot be slaughtered in front of other animals. They must be fed and sheltered humanely (no mad cow disease from cow-cannibalism). They must be killed with a single stroke to the jugular, making it a painless death. They cannot be stunned (electrocution, how is this legal?), shot, or bludgeoned.

    Unfortunately, it's the people doing the killing that are to blame, not the act of eating the meat itself.
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    real men eat meat
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    That was a part of my argument, not all of it. But it's true, if you eat raw cabbage you will be fine, if you eat raw meat you will get ill. We aren't carnivores,, if a lion eats raw meat that is okay because it is a part of his diet and basic biology, we don't need meat to survive.

    That says it all really.
    I'm sorry but this is the worst argument against eating meat I have ever heard, it's called cooking the meat lol. People in the Stone Age did it with fire, and were probably more resistant to raw meat anyway than we are in our hyper-hygienic society. You do realise that people used to hunt mammoths to EAT, right? It's not just some new phenomenon. If you look at our dental structure then we have teeth that are well adapted to eating both meat and vegetation, we clearly are omnivores. No, we don't need it to survive, but it still has many vital compounds in it that are otherwise frustrating to consume (I don't fancy chomping down on a hundred nuts each day, for example).
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    (Original post by otah007)
    I have no problem eating meat - however I have a problem with how it's done. One of the much overlooked benefits of being a Muslim (which I am) is that I have 100% certainty that until the animals are slaughtered, they are kept in the most humane environment possible. For example, animals must be free-range. They cannot be slaughtered in front of other animals. They must be fed and sheltered humanely (no mad cow disease from cow-cannibalism). They must be killed with a single stroke to the jugular, making it a painless death. They cannot be stunned (electrocution, how is this legal?), shot, or bludgeoned.

    Unfortunately, it's the people doing the killing that are to blame, not the act of eating the meat itself.
    "They must be killed with a single stroke to the jugular, making it a painless death"

    Are you actually being serious or are you just an idiot? Because you literally just said that having your throat slashed is painless.
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    https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-Hi...ut-eating-meat

    This thread has made me feel extremely proud of being born in the religion( i know its not a religion but a way of life and stuff ) i was born in.I feel very happy right now that i live in a Vegan majority country ( It may be true although that i may move later) and guess what? My ancestors have probably been vegan for atleast 3000-4000 years now combined. Everyone in my family is vegan aswell to this day, we've been carrying the tradition for thousands of years it seems
    And those of you who think that vegan food cannot be nutritious and super tasty i would urge you to try Indian food especially street food( Too bad tho that it Will be very hard for you to find in the UK if not impossible)
    And no vegans are not malnutritioned. I'm 17 years old and 5'10 and around 70 kgs so.


    Note-No i dont have anything against people who eat meat as long as they respect my decision of not wanting to eat meat. And yes im an (Agnostic) Hindu obviously.:cool:

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    As a vegetarian - these posts are just bad ideas. You'd be angry if someone shoved their meat diet in your face, so please don't make people think even more that vegetarians think they're morally superior. All you're doing is adding to the stereotype of us never shutting up about our diets...

    When the topic comes up, discuss. But please don't randomly have a go at people.
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    That was a part of my argument, not all of it. But it's true, if you eat raw cabbage you will be fine, if you eat raw meat you will get ill. We aren't carnivores, if a lion eats raw meat that is okay because it is a part of his diet and basic biology, we don't need meat to survive.

    That says it all really.
    Your argument can be used against any kind of processed food, bread, yogurt, canning, frozen food, etc. and even cooking.
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    I attempted vegan but failed many times due to not being able to resist a cup of tea or coffee, or eating cake made with egg etc.

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    How does wanting a cup of tea or coffee stop you from being vegan? You do realise there are plant alternatives to cows milk, right? Soy milk isn't half bad in tea/ coffee. I wouldn't recommend almond milk though :puke:
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    Okay, so a tiny history about moi. I used to be a full on vegetarian for almost 3 years, I attempted vegan but failed many times due to not being able to resist a cup of tea or coffee, or eating cake made with egg etc.
    You don't kill animals by drinking milk or eating eggs. I don't see how they are related to the slaughterhouses that disgust you. You may not be able to call yourself a "true vegan" if you eat them, but is it really the goal?
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    (Original post by Josb)
    You don't kill animals by drinking milk or eating eggs. I don't see how they are related to the slaughterhouses that disgust you. You may not be able to call yourself a "true vegan" if you eat them, but is it really the goal?
    Exactly i agree 100%
    The goal is to not eat animals and drinking milk atleast is not at all against the goal

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    I haven't watched the video or read most of this topic, but I can tell you you're in the wrong place.

    Firstly, I have felt guilt eating meat over the last couple of years through stumbling over slaughterhouse videos etc.. That much is true. But I'm the skinniest person I know and need my protein.

    Some time this month I thought I'd try Quorn burgers just to see if I could live as a vegetarian and yes, I could, they were just as good as normal burgers if not better. But I had no idea how to cook them because it said spread oil on them and put them in the oven.. I just moved in to my own place, I'm not putting something highly flammable into somewhere very hot! If someone like me did that the place would be burnt down to the ground.

    But anyway, here's the other problem. Meat free products such as Quorn are expensive. More expensive than meat itself. And to anyone like me with not all that much money to throw around, spending more on almost the same thing just for ethical reasons might simply not be an option.

    My point is, if you want something done about it, then campaign to supermarkets or something in an effort to get them to reduce the prices or even better, add vegetarian products to their value brands so more people might be convinced to buy them, if it's cheaper than meat itself.

    But acting all sad on a forum and trying to show us videos to make us sad as well over an issue which we might not have a problem with, I'm afraid, is going to get you nowhere. We can't do anything about it.


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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    Okay, so a tiny history about moi. I used to be a full on vegetarian for almost 3 years, I attempted vegan but failed many times due to not being able to resist a cup of tea or coffee, or eating cake made with egg etc.

    I tried meat a little while ago again, a few times and at the time I thought nothing of it. My mindset was "I've saved enough animals in the last 3 years, I can enjoy a chicken burger right?"

    I was going through a rough patch at the time and was a bit numb to everything in life so I didn't really care where the meat was coming from or if the animals died for my plate.

    The taste of meat was honestly SO not worth the few times I had it again. Meat alone is disgustingly plain, most of us would gag if were made to eat just that alone for a meal. It's only because it gets seasoned and flavoured that most people love it.

    Anyway, I saw this video last night and I cried and cried. I feel that this kind of practice should be illegal, playing God with an innocent beings life. The way all the baby lambs huddled in fear because they knew that they would be next. This kind of killing makes me embarrassed of myself (that I tried meat again) and anyone who uses "meat is tasty" as an excuse for this type of killing.

    Anyway, I am now 100% vegan. I will not contribute to any of this disgusting behaviour. I've hated vegans in the past, especially militant vegans but honestly this is disgusting and it turns my stomach.

    I haven't really got a question, I just felt like expressing these feelings somewhere. However please do comment if you eat meat and feel fine doing after knowing about all this stuff.
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