Criticism of Islam is not a hate crime, nor racist, nor enophobic

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    (Original post by hellobrother)
    You really think these people are being ignored? It's almost fashionable to hate these people. Nigel Farage now, after the '£350mil to NHS' more than ever.
    It's one thing to hate them; people have the right to like and dislike whoever they want. However, no one proposing to introduce policies to be "tougher" on these groups and "crackdown" on them, that is the difference.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    In my view, conservatives and UKIP supporters hold 'capricious and hateful beliefs on many social issues'.

    But should we ignore that because they're not foreign?
    Trump supporters are probably a better example. They don't like to be generalised but love generalising others.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    You contradict yourself right there. In that case, what would count as anti-Muslim bigotry if not collective punishment?
    Anti-Muslim bigotry is known as Islamophobia, but being opposed to Islam does not make you a bigot. I don't like Islam, but that doesn't I don't tolerate it and nor does it mean that I have negative prejudicial views of Muslims as a collective people. As a group, more than half of Muslims in this country believe homosexuality should be illegal and almost 40% believe a woman should always obey their husband. This is unacceptable - and this is what is meant by being tougher on Islam, especially in terms of social cohesion and assimilation.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    In my view, conservatives and UKIP supporters hold 'capricious and hateful beliefs on many social issues'.

    But should we ignore that because they're not foreign?
    Such as? Please show me some examples instead of typing empty one-line statements.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Trump supporters are probably a better example. They don't like to be generalised but love generalising others.
    "They don't like to be generalised but love generalising others."

    Have you got any evidence of this, or are you generalising?
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Such as? Please show me some examples instead of typing empty one-line statements.
    such as the mass deportation of foreigners, which some UKIP supporters believe in
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    "They don't like to be generalised but love generalising others."

    Have you got any evidence of this, or are you generalising?
    It's pretty obvious that this can be verified by last week's events.
    They love Donald Trump speaking his mind about anyone they hate.

    But when Hillary speaks her mind about Trump supporters, the pro-Trump anti-PC crowd goes ape.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    such as the mass deportation of foreigners, which some UKIP supporters believe in
    Mass deportation of foreigners or illegal immigrants?

    It is not hateful to believe people in this country should be here legally.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    It's pretty obvious that this can be verified by last week's events.
    They love Donald Trump speaking his mind about anyone they hate.

    But when Hillary speaks her mind about Trump supporters, the pro-Trump anti-PC crowd goes ape.
    "It is pretty obvious" - so no, you don't have any evidence.

    At least show me some examples of Trump speaking his mind?

    Hillary Clinton said that half of Trump supporters "belong in a basket of deplorables". It's a gross generalisation and an assumption which she cannot support. Donald Trump says "some" Muslims are terrorists, and that "some" Mexicans are criminals - both of which are true.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    "It is pretty obvious" - so no, you don't have any evidence.

    At least show me some examples of Trump speaking his mind?

    Hillary Clinton said that half of Trump supporters "belong in a basket of deplorables". It's a gross generalisation and an assumption which she cannot support. Donald Trump says "some" Muslims are terrorists, and that "some" Mexicans are criminals - both of which are true.
    The statement was "They don't like to be generalised but love generalising others."

    They love generalising people. One specific example is when they loved Trump's statement generalising every single Mexican illegal immigrant - "They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists".

    They get all upset when they are generalised. One specific example of this is when they threw a hissy fit last week when Clinton called 50% of them deplorables and Islamophobes / racists.



    If you're going to cry about me having 'no evidence', don't reply at all please. I want to know if I'm wasting my time before I take this too seriously.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Mass deportation of foreigners or illegal immigrants?

    It is not hateful to believe people in this country should be here legally.
    no, mass deportation of foreigners, not specifically illegal ones.
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    (Original post by The_JoKeR)
    bigot, racist, xenophobic, islamophobic
    Ayyy Lmao
    That is me.
    What seems to be the problem?
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    The statement was "They don't like to be generalised but love generalising others."

    They love generalising people. One specific example is when they loved Trump's statement generalising every single Mexican illegal immigrant - "They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists".

    They get all upset when they are generalised. One specific example of this is when they threw a hissy fit last week when Clinton called 50% of them deplorables and Islamophobes / racists.

    If you're going to cry about me having 'no evidence', don't reply at all please. I want to know if I'm wasting my time before I take this too seriously.
    "Evidence" - it's such an inconvenience isn't it? Especially for "progressives". I keep forgetting we live in a post-truth era.

    Donald Trump did not say "every single Mexican illegal immigrant" is a criminal, a druglord or a rapist. Again, I'm sorry, but show me where he said "every single Mexican" - because he didn't.

    Hillary Clinton did say that "50% of all Trump supports belong in a basket of deplorables", not "some", she said "50%". Donald Trump has not made a generalisation which isn't unverifiable; and he especially hasn't put a figure on his statements when he has no evidence to prove it.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    no, mass deportation of foreigners, not specifically illegal ones.
    Well, you're wrong.

    Show me where UKIP or the Conservatives support mass deportation of foreigners?
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    (Original post by Jazzy Foot)
    I agree it's just whenever we criticise Catholicism or Judaism etc we never get threatened with jihad or have some crazy bearded goon shouting God is Great and wanting to behead us like a savage.

    Muslims think they are above criticism that they are perfect etc if anyone even flinches, we get killed. Barbarians.
    My my, you guys don't even know how much Christians get mad when they criticize Jesus or God. I can assure you they get raged, and they're ready to beat up those who say anything against the God. You just don't live in the countries where these kind of Christians live. Well, I do, and I can say it is a little dangerous here to go against the God if you don't know the proper audience. Same is for you and Islam, find proper audience and speak there, otherwise you will get beaten up by ignorant people. That's it.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    "Evidence" - it's such an inconvenience isn't it? Especially for "progressives". I keep forgetting we live in a post-truth era.

    Donald Trump did not say "every single Mexican illegal immigrant" is a criminal, a druglord or a rapist. Again, I'm sorry, but show me where he said "every single Mexican" - because he didn't.

    Hillary Clinton did say that "50% of all Trump supports belong in a basket of deplorables", not "some", she said "50%". Donald Trump has not made a generalisation which isn't unverifiable; and he especially hasn't put a figure on his statements when he has no evidence to prove it.
    I see I foresaw the outcome of this discussion, you will keep on twisting words, changing the subject and proposing hypothetical whataboutery regardless of what I say. Its dumb to say that Trump supporters don't like being generalised and never generalise themselves when their leader generalises Mexican illegal immigrants and Muslims.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Anti-Muslim bigotry is known as Islamophobia, but being opposed to Islam does not make you a bigot. I don't like Islam, but that doesn't I don't tolerate it and nor does it mean that I have negative prejudicial views of Muslims as a collective people. As a group, more than half of Muslims in this country believe homosexuality should be illegal and almost 40% believe a woman should always obey their husband. This is unacceptable - and this is what is meant by being tougher on Islam, especially in terms of social cohesion and assimilation.
    You said that being tough on Muslims as a group isn't bigotry because they are hateful. Make up your mind already.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I see I foresaw the outcome of this discussion, you will keep on twisting words, changing the subject and proposing hypothetical whataboutery regardless of what I say. Its dumb to say that Trump supporters don't like being generalised and never generalise themselves when their leader generalises Mexican illegal immigrants and Muslims.
    What did you "foresee"?

    Where have I "changed the subject"?

    How have I "proposed hypothetical whataboutery"?

    I'm simply asking you to provide evidence for the things you write, because unfortunately, 'ALevelStress' is not a credible source and I can't have a cogent and rational conversation about issues which you bring up if you don't provide evidence for me to go off.

    You are the one who is making unacceptable accusations and misquoting what has been said by the likes of Donald Trump and UKIP. Yes, Donald Trump did imply that "some" illegal Mexicans who crossed the border were rapists, druglords and criminals. However, he did not imply that "all" illegal Mexicans were. The former is true - and provable. The latter is not true - hence why he didn't say it. There is also no evidence - either from top UKIP officials or in the UKIP manifesto - that UKIP want to mass deport "foreigners".
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    "They don't like to be generalised but love generalising others."

    Have you got any evidence of this, or are you generalising?
    Muslims - a group which still holds capricious and hateful beliefs on many social issues
    There's your evidence; your own words.

    White supremacist groups have flocked to Trump because they think that he will look out for their interests and an unacceptable number of Trump supporters think that Abraham Lincoln make the wrong decision to free slaves, that the South should have won the civil war and do not disagree that White people are the superior race. Is it time to start being "tough" on them to force them to assimilate?
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    You said that being tough on Muslims as a group isn't bigotry because they are hateful. Make up your mind already.
    No, I didn't say that Muslims were hateful.

    I said that Muslims - as a group - still hold hateful beliefs.

    Being tough on Muslims, such as tackling rampant homophobia and improving the rights for women, cannot be misconstrued as Islamophobia. Unfortunately, misogyny and homophobia are still of pertinence in the Islamic community and the aforementioned are unacceptable in an open and tolerant society.

    If, however, I used the aforesaid to hold prejudicial views of Muslims as a people - then yes, you could call me an Islamophobe. If, again, I used the aforesaid as a pretext to hate Islam and not tolerate it in my community - then yes, you could call me an Islamophobe.
 
 
 
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