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(Original post by Saba XD)
What does that mean? Elaborate on it. Whenever I have seen such threads, I have always seen Hindus taking side of Hindus/Indians taking side of indians. That's how it is. You can't say that they don't. Same, as with Pakistanis take side of Pakistanis/Muslims take side of Muslims. You can't do it yourself and then call others out when they do the same.

Anyway, leave that. The point here is, that both sides are blaming each other. History tidbits were thrown around throughout this thread. And, not once did I see that, there was any kind of condemnation. We are talking about people dying and all we can do is say 'oh yeah, this happened but you killed more people'. What has that got to do with anything. Aren't lives important regardless of the fact that who killed more people?
There's a difference between generally supporting other members of your religion and being inherently blind to their flaws because of your own fanaticism and cult like mentality. I'm the former rather than the latter like many of pakistanis and muslims in this thread. These are the same people who blindly support palestine.

I'm not saying we don't, I'm saying we have far less people like that, for some interesting reason 🤔

Depends on the lives in question. If isis and all the other terrorists died tomorrow I'd be partying all weekend.

(Original post by Saba XD)
That's absurd. The average Pakistani does not support the terrorism. So, you can't tell someone to hate their own country. :facepalm:
I think you'd be quite surprised. The fact that islamic fundamentalism and terrorism correlate strongly should already be a big indicator. But like some of the others I suppose you choose to ignore that fact.

I know plenty who hate pakistan, one more wouldn't hurt.
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Where did I deny that? I just called him out that the average Pakistani is aware. And, they hate the terrorism as much as the next person. But, you can't ask them to hate their own country. What part of that is so hard to understand. :lol:

Aware of?

I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest Pakistanis, as a whole, "hate" terrorism.
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Lmao you should thank us Indians for eliminating the scum(terrorists) in Pakistan which you're government and armed forces were clearly uncapable of doing...............

Instead your doing the opposite smh.:ahee:

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There's a difference between generally supporting other members of your religion and being inherently blind to their flaws because of your own fanaticism and cult like mentality. I'm the former rather than the latter like many of pakistanis and muslims in this thread. These are the same people who blindly support palestine.

I'm not saying we don't, I'm saying we have far less people like that, for some interesting reason 🤔

Depends on the lives in question. If isis and all the other terrorists died tomorrow I'd be partying all weekend.



I think you'd be quite surprised. The fact that islamic fundamentalism and terrorism correlate strongly should already be a big indicator. But like some of the others I suppose you choose to ignore that fact.

I know plenty who hate pakistan, one more wouldn't hurt.
LOL. I laughed throughout.

Also, a person doesn't have to be a muslim to support Palestine. I know many Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and even Jews, who oppose Israel and support Palestine. I hope you really know that.
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Aware of?

I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest Pakistanis, as a whole, "hate" terrorism.
Why is that a question? I thought you would understand what I meant, as it was very clear. I guess not. :rolleyes:
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Lmao you should thank us Indians for eliminating the scum(terrorists) in Pakistan which you're government and armed forces were clearly uncapable of doing...............

Instead your doing the opposite smh.:ahee:

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You should really concentrate on when to use 'you're' and 'your'.
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LOL. I laughed throughout.

Also, a person doesn't have to be a muslim to support Palestine. I know many Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and even Jews, who oppose Israel and support Palestine. I hope you really know that.
What is funny? Perhaps your lack of meaningful reply or reasoning? Seems to be a trend in these threads.

I know that. What I'm saying is you'll never see a muslim being against the actions and existence of palestine due to the cult like mentality.
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I don't support Pakistan's policy of strategic depth through proxies no.
Fortunately General Raheel, who is a good friend of the family's has been working to change that over the past 20 years and now he is making good progress as army chief.

At least I am not in denial about the mistakes and shortcomings of my country and their armed forces. Whereas you guys will never accept India's lurch towards Fascism and the demonstrable influence and threat posed by groups like Shiv Sena. Riots against Christians, Muslims lynched for eating beef, the "ghar wapsi" scheme of forced conversion... But no, only Pakistan has a problem. India is an ocean of tranquility and peace

Wikipedia article "Prosecution of Hindus in modern day Pakistan"
Let me quote a few lines from the article

Hindus constitute 1.7% of the Pakistan's
population. Hindu minorities living under the infinfluence of the Taliban in Swat, Pakistan, were forced to were red headwear such as turbans as a symbol of dhimmi.
In July 2010 around 60 members of the Hindu minority in Karachi were attacked and ethnically cleansed following an incident when a Hindu youth drank from a water tap near a mosque.
According to human rights commission of Pakistan came out with a report in 2010 stated that 25 Hindu girls are abducted in Pakistan every month

1971 Bangladesh Genocide
Time magazine reported that " The Hindus , who account for three-fourths of the refugees and a majority of the dead have borne the brunt of the Muslim army's hatred. There were widespread killings of hindu males and rapes of women.

The Kashmiri Pandit Genocides in POK

Forced conversions in Pakistan
Hindu women have been victims of forced conversions to Islam , along with rapes.

A Muslim league politician has stated that
the abduction of Hindus and Sikhs is a business of Pakistan along with forced conversions of Hindus to Islam.
Forced conversions, rape, and forced marriages of hindu women have recently become very controversial in Pakistan.

Human rights violations by Pakistani army in Baluchistan
Thousands of people are missing and have been abducted
Sure Raheel Sharif is making progress biggest joke of the decade lmao.
Ah i see democracy is called fascism in Pakistan huh?
Threat posed by Shiv sena?
Seriously? Shiv sena is a nationalist political party unlike ISIS, Haqqani net or The pork army. They dont blow up people or carry out attacks. Nothing close to islamic terrorism in Pakistan like the taliban.


If a hindu was caught eating Pork in Pakistan i dont think he would survive another day.
Likewise we have laws that protect cows and prevent cow slaughter beacuse it is against the sentiments of Hindus and Sikhs just like Porn in the islamic world.
When in Rome you have to do as the Romans do if you get what i mean
Ghar wapsi are not forced conversions usually. They are conducted for the people who want to willing re convert back to Hinduism/Sikhism/Buddhism/Jainism.
So technically they are not conversions burt re- conversions because their ancestors were Hindus /Vedics anyways.

What about the threat posed by Haqqani network, Jaise e Muhammad , Lashakhar e taiba, the military and islamic non Democratic anti * insert non-muslim religion here* rule in Pakistan? India being a true secular country and democracy, no military rule military has no power to independently make decisions, civilian democratically elected gov has The power unlike in Pakistan .At least India has a lot of hope as it grows at a phenomenal 7% every financial year. Indian GDP being 7 times larger than Pakistan and Pakistan being geographically and Population wise 1/5th of India.
Do you know how many people are coming out of poverty ever year in India and how fast India is developing? No you dont
So i would politely suggest you to shut up
Thank you.


and the threat that was posed by Osama?
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You should really concentrate on when to use 'you're' and 'your'.
Was the truth so bitter that all you could see was my grammar?
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What is funny? Perhaps your lack of meaningful reply or reasoning? Seems to be a trend in these threads.

I know that. What I'm saying is you'll never see a muslim being against the actions and existence of palestine due to the cult like mentality.
I think you are referring to yourself. As, you're part of such threads.

What is there to be against? So, why do all these other people support Palestine. Including the Hindus that I know. Also, I do know a few Muslims who are pro-israel. Hence, that refutes your point. :G
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Also, I do know a few Muslims who are pro-israel. Hence, that refutes your point. :G
Oh it must do :rolleyes:
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Oh it must do :rolleyes:
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(Original post by Saba XD)
I think you are referring to yourself. As, you're part of such threads.

What is there to be against? So, why do all these other people support Palestine. Including the Hindus that I know. Also, I do know a few Muslims who are pro-israel. Hence, that refutes your point. :G
I replied to you and what you said fully. You still haven't. That doesn't apply to me.

Really? I'd like to see the isoc's stance on Israel. There's nothing wrong with supporting a side but when it is purely because of the same beliefs and not their actions, then it becomes cult like. Do you not see? This is what the majority of muslims are like. I've never met a single one who has supported Israel.

I really think you need to learn how to tackle a point.
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There was a genocide in in Kashmir. Islamic terrorism led to an ethnic cleansing of hindus native to the area. Strange they never mention that when crying genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic...ashmiri_Hindus

Even the British Broadcasting Caliphate reported on this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-35923237
It's very interesting how one of the actions that started the chain of events leading to the Islamic genocide of Hindus in Kashmir was the corrupt chief minister building a mosque over a Hindu temple.

This is classic Islam; murdering and pillaging their way into power and then abolishing and wiping out the native culture, homogenising everything down to an Arab Muslim common denominator and often abolishing ancient civilisations, ways of life, religions and languages in the process. They then build mosques over the conquered houses of worships, like churches and temples, as the ultimate and naked display of their power, a kind of cultural rape of the vanquished.

This is what happened to the incredible Egyptian culture which, by the 7th century, was the most amazing mixing-pot of ancient Egyptian, Ptolemaic Greek, Hebrew and Roman influences. All wiped out in the name of Islam and with the homogenising acid of Arabic culture and practices that dissolves the native ouevre.

This is what they did to the Byzantine Empire; the repository of European civilisation, art and culture from both Romans and Greeks, while the West went through the dark ages. The ruler of this sophisticated civlisation was, legally, the Roman Emperor, the Eastern half of the empire having survived another thousand years after the fall of the West (in fact, the Byzantines didn't call themselves Byzantines; although Greek-speaking, they called themselves Romans and called their empire the Roman Empire). This time the acidic homogenising culture was the Turkic cultures. The sack of Constantinople in 1453, and subsequent transformation of churches like the Hagia Sophia into mosques (often with the amazing frescoes and mosaics made of gold, rubies, lapis lazuli and exotic paints stripped off the walls and melted down to be sold off in the bazaar). Imagine all those libraries and government archives, the thousand years of diplomatic and government records, the holdings of the churches and monasteries, the variety and depth of literature going back to the Roman Republic and ancient Greek city states, containing hundreds of thousands of texts that are now completely lost to history. The total destruction of the Imperial Library of Constantinople in 1453 stands as much, in fact probably far more, than the destruction of the library of Alexandria. We can thank Islam for that.

We saw this happen to the cultural inheritors of the Babylonian and Sumerian cultures, to the flourishing and sophisticated Greek-speaking culture that was predominant in and around Palestine and Syria. We saw it happen to the Jewish tribes of Arabia, who had been resident there long before the vulgar crook and fraud, the desert warlord, turned up and started his religious protection racket.

Now it would be perfectly valid for the Arab Muslim community of today to say, "That happened 1200 years ago, are you required to answer for the actions of Charlemagne?", to which the answer is we don't venerate and semi-worship Charlemagne. We don't celebrate ancient conquests by the Romans or Byzantines as a current part of our culture and heritage. We don't speak of the Frankish kings in breathless terms of admiration and a progenitor and model for all who came after. The Muslim culture is so very pleased with itself when it looks back at the Islamic conquests. This love of battle, of conquest, the religious climate which led to so much of the Quran being about relationships between Muslims and non-Muslims, about conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims, about when and how Muslims may divvy up the loot when they conquer non-Muslims. That veneration of violence and conquest and medieval values are a huge reason, in my opinion, why Islam is in such a complete mess today.

If they are going to celebrate this culture of conquest, then they should be prepared for us to criticise it and the awful consequences it had for world culture (which we are seeing again with the attempted genocide of groups like the Yezidi, one of the very few pre-Christian non-Hebraic religious groups left in the Middle East.... and with the attempt to destroy Palmyra and antiquities)
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Lol I went to see Ram Madhav at the Oxford Union- he categorically stated that there will never be a referendum in Indian occupied Kashmir whatever happened in Azad Kashmir. He said India claims the region has a whole.

That is the stance held by the BJP's leadership whereas the Pakistani side has repeatedly said it is willing to undertake these steps if it gets the appropriate reassurances from the Indian government.

By the way, the Indian side has confirmed that one of their soldiers has been captured by Pakistan. Congrats to India for becoming the only country in the world capable of conducting surgical strikes across a heavily mined, fenced and fortified border, via ground and without conducting any air raids. Now what they mean by surgical strikes in this context is beyond any comprehension.
You're also missing a crucial point. Under terrorist pressure, Kashmiri pandits have been driven out of Kashmir. Any referendum held now will be completely unfair as well.
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FACTCHECK
1. '"genocide" in Palestine" In just 2 months in Gaza, 2014 "The UN says at least 2,104 Palestinian died, including 1,462 civilians, of whom 495 were children and 253 women". So yes, there is genocide in Palestinian territory. This maybe explains why 'feeling like victims' is rather more than just a mindset.
Obviously you don't understand what genocide means. The fact that civilians have unfortunately died during a military operation doesn't even mean a war crime has been committed, let alone genocide. Throwing around the word genocide, with no understanding of what it means, as you are doing, is completely ignorant.

And yes, resorting to the G word where it clearly doesn't fit is part of this victimhood mindset. Israel quite clearly has no intention to destroy the Palestinian people in whole or in substantial part. If Israel wanted to do so, it clearly could wipe them out. Instead, the Palestinian population has grown 8-fold since 1948.

The problem has become worse in recent years after the rise of Hindu nationalism. Philippines
Is the Philippines a good case to cite? There is a major Islamic insurgency in the south of the Philippines, just as there is in southern Thailand, just as there in southern Russia, just as there is in the Levant, just as there has been in so many of the places where you have the border between Islamic and non-Islamic cultures.

History points to the violence, terror and despair increasing massively at the point where the US invaded Iraq, killing upwards of 100,000 civilians and destabilising the region.
The US didn't kill anything like that many civilians. The most credible figures for deaths in Iraq from 2003 to 2011 is around 180,000. When people cite the number of people who have died in Iraq, they seem to think they're citing a figure that represents the number of civilians killed by the US. Very few people were killed in the US invasion, and the number of civilians accidentally killed by US forces during the occupation was not a substantial part of the total. The largest part of the total was Muslims killing other Muslims. As for sectarianism increasing after the US invasion, come on; this stoush between Sunni and Shi'a has been going on for 1300 years. And nothing the US did forced Iraqis to go sectarian and start murdering each other in large numbers, in fact the US invasion given it was relatively bloodless and that elections where held by Jan 2005, this was an opportunity for Iraq to leave sectarianism behind and make a real, good go of this new democratic era. It's extremely unfortunate that they were not able to, and a major contributing factor to that was the Islamic extremists in neighbouring countries who were happy to support and provide weaponry to terrorists associated with their sectarian agenda.

And you can hardly blame Syria's civil war on the US. That country imploded without any US intervention, and the number of deaths and level of violence far exceeds anything seen in Iraq. The fact that ISIS was able to recruit large numbers of Muslims from all over the world is demonstrative of just how much trouble the religion is in, and how unwilling it has been to examine its own actions, its tendency to always point the finger of blame elsewhere, the consistent failure ever to look inwards and do some real reflection and soul-searching. There's something in the Islamic mindset that just seems to love feeling like a martyr, feeling oppressed, feeling like they share this status with other Muslims in places they've never been and about which they know almost nothing. That tendency in particular, that they are highly selective about their outrage, that they care more about issues half a world away and are more loyal to their fellow Muslims than their non-Muslim neighbour next door... all of this has contributed to a situation where there were more British Muslims fighting for ISIS than British Muslims in the UK Armed Forces.
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Amazing post, PRSOM

Unsurprisingly no one's refuted this, because it's so very true
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Amazing post, PRSOM

Unsurprisingly no one's refuted this, because it's so very true
Exactly
Very very true
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AlexanderHam just shut down the entire thread :lol:

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For those wondering why Indians are so jubilant about the attacks on Pakistani soil, there's obviously the Indo-Pak rivalry, but there's also the fact that there was huge pressure on the Government of India to react after the Uri terror attacks last week on an Indian Army base that has claimed the lives of 19 Indian soldiers.

Every time there is a Jihadi attack on Indian soil, usually carried out by either the Pakistani state or "non-state actors" (read: terrorists allegedly funded and supported by the ISI and the military), India has adopted a failed policy of "strategic restraint" i.e.: do virtually nothing at all or simply "talk".

India presents all the evidence to Pakistan and hopes that Pakistan will act against the culprits. e.g.: With the 2008 Mumbai attacks and the Pathankot attacks earlier this year.

The result is nothing, zilch, nada.

The path of dialogue has been adopted as well to no avail. It's usually India that reaches out to Pakistan first to try and resolve issues diplomatically, whether that was Prime Ministers Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh or Modi in recent history. But every time there is some progress and it looks like normalcy will return, there is a terror attack on India with links to Pakistan.

India's patience has worn thin, it has had enough and it has finally responded to a terror attack on its soil by carrying out strikes on terrorist camps operating in Pakistan.

Pakistan is now being isolated diplomatically by other countries. There was a historic SAARC meeting coming up being held in Pakistan, but 5 nations have now boycotted it: India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Bhutan all citing Pakistani interference in the region.

Around the world, no country has condemned the surgical strikes carried out by India (in fact a few countries have supported them), but many are now looking to Pakistan to do more to reign in terror outfits operating in Pakistan. US Senators have even introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to officially declare Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Just to be clear, most Indians have no problem with the average Pakistani and they are victims of terrorism too. The problem is with the Pakistani state, its ISI, military and terrorist proxies such as JeM, JuD, LeT etc. that routinely attack India.
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