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You are saying that as if it is a terrible thing. They get that rich because they deserve it and have worked hard.
Some people earning far less work equally as hard?
Some of the richest 1% are only there because of their family?
Hardly as clear cut as you get what you deserve.

Regardless, I don't think anyone deserves that amount of money. Billions per year is obscene.
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McCain's running partner has only been a governor for 2 years, why would I vote (If I were American) for her to become VP?
So if McCain keels over she becomes leader of the free world? She hunts moose ffs, I hardly think she's qualified to be in such a position of responsibility.

Obama- for obvious reasons which have been stated by the posters above me.
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(Original post by largebrandon)
You are saying that as if it is a terrible thing. They get that rich because they deserve it and have worked hard.
I sure hope Paris Hilton is keeping an eye over her hard-earned empire
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(Original post by jismith1989)
Well, I think that being in the top 1% should be disincentivised. No one needs that amount of money; it is completely superfluous and it could be put to good use.
Well that's a bit silly. What do you think people do with their money? put it under the matress? It's almost always invested, largely into american or to multinational corporates, creating jobs in america and throughout the developping world.

Also, the higher incomed donate a larger proportion of their money to charities for obvious reasons, and if there was no higher incomed then people would be donating very little to nothing, which would be detrimental to so many organisations throughout the world.

Think about what your saying - if you're disincentivising being in the top 1%, then no-ones going to want to do it, meaning that people will keep undercutting eachother, trying to earn less. How far do you want that to go?

Lastly much of the world's economy relies on american consumer spending, and I think its common sense that the top 1% spends the most on consumer goods.

Saying that no-one needs to be in the top 1% doesn't mean that no-one should be in the top 1%. No-one needs 5 a day, but its still good for you!

It's one thing to be a bit of a lefty and hate republicans and all that, but its just a bit backwards to have something against capitalism, the only reason why we're not still in the dark ages.
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(Original post by ooze)
Some people earning far less work equally as hard?
Some of the richest 1% are only there because of their family?
Hardly as clear cut as you get what you deserve.

Regardless, I don't think anyone deserves that amount of money. Billions per year is obscene.
That's how it works. If people don't like that more people get more money, then either they make more or stop complaining. It pisses me off that people are so jealous that there are rich people in the world. They played they game and they won, big. If anything, these people should be praised and not ridiculed!

As for Paris Hilton and rich people of the like: SO WHAT?! They are rich because their family were rich. They were fortunate enough to be born in a rich family: get over it! Because she flaunts and is at many times distasteful, we should take her money away? I hope you aren't suggesting anything of the sort.
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I think it's important to remember that people who would be on the Internet on a forum like this are likely to be the democratic sort - ergo this poll only reflects the view of a minority. [sorry if this point has already been raised]
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Obama does pretty speeches and has a nice fanclub.

But McCain is the serious poltician here.

McCain to win.
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I don't understand this argument that McCain relates more to the average american. Surely it should scare the crap out of people that they don't have health insurance. If I was american and cared about their internal issues, I'd probably vote obama because of healthcare.

Also its not at all because he was black. I wouldn't vote for a rebuplican at the moment if she was a black disabled lesbian.
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Obama. Lets face it, he's much fitter than McCain :yep:
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Surely it should scare the crap out of people that they don't have health insurance. If I was american and cared about their internal issues, I'd probably vote obama because of healthcare.
Most Americans don't care about socialised healthcare. To be honest, neither do I...
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(Original post by ssk2)
Most Americans don't care about socialised healthcare. To be honest, neither do I...
but why?
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Obama. I just plain dislike republican policies.
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(Original post by largebrandon)
That's how it works. If people don't like that more people get more money, then either they make more or stop complaining. It pisses me off that people are so jealous that there are rich people in the world. They played they game and they won, big. If anything, these people should be praised and not ridiculed!

As for Paris Hilton and rich people of the like: SO WHAT?! They are rich because their family were rich. They were fortunate enough to be born in a rich family: get over it! Because she flaunts and is at many times distasteful, we should take her money away? I hope you aren't suggesting anything of the sort.
My point was related to the fact that you said "They get that rich because they deserve it and have worked hard." Hence, I still stand by my point of that clearly not being the case. I didn't say anything about taking her money away. I applaud people who are successful, and they should be an inspiration to the rest of us. But, by the same token, I don't think someone is going to reject being extremely rich just because they have to pay extra tax, which has been my point all along. Whether it's right or wrong to tax the top 1% is a seperate debate.
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McCain has a scary ugly face. Especially when he smiles and laugh. That is precisely why he will lose.
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Question. I take it that all of you voting for Obama JUST because he's not a Republican would vote for the Conservative party in this country? That's the equivalent...
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(Original post by largebrandon)
That's how it works. If people don't like that more people get more money, then either they make more or stop complaining.

It pisses me off that people are so jealous that there are rich people in the world. They played they game and they won, big. If anything, these people should be praised and not ridiculed!
If people work hard for their money and become successful then yeah, all praise to them It still doesn't mean that I agree with the sheer amount of income but anyway.

The point is that many people work equally as hard for much less money, in the highest job they're ever likely to get. How is that fair? Why SHOULD people accept the cliche of "that's how it works" when it doesn't have to work like that at all? You say "either they make more" as if it works like that for everyone.

As for Paris Hilton and rich people of the like: SO WHAT?! They are rich because their family were rich. They were fortunate enough to be born in a rich family: get over it! Because she flaunts and is at many times distasteful, we should take her money away? I hope you aren't suggesting anything of the sort.
I can't disagree more with you on that. For the same reasons why I wouldn't say "SO WHAT that I am fortunate enough to have be born in a rich country, when some people aren't so lucky. That's how life works".
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Question. I take it that all of you voting for Obama JUST because he's not a Republican would vote for the Conservative party in this country? That's the equivalent...
not in every way. I just don't think they're comparable. tories aren't pro-guns for one.

why don't you care about healthcare btw?
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The point is that many people work equally as hard for much less money, in the highest job they're ever likely to get. How is that fair? Why SHOULD people accept the cliche of "that's how it works" when it doesn't have to work like that at all? You say "either they make more" as if it works like that for everyone.
You realize how socialist you sound? Why should the government have any say in how a person wants to use the money that they have earned? If the Hilton family wants to spoil their daughter with the money that they have accumulated then that is their decision. There are many risks in attempting to begin business endeavors, not to mention the resources, such as education, capital, timing, and planning, that go into them. In the United States this kind of forward thinking is rewarded and rightfully so; it should not be up to the government to reward individuals for spending their money one way and punish them for another.

That being said, Obama does not support the kind of thinking that you seem to represent and I hope people here do not get that impression.
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Obama is far less socialist than people seem to think. Sure he does advocate some increases in taxes, but that is more often than not to plug budget gaps that already exist in programs like social security. Personally all the debate here has been wishy-washy with no real grounding in facts or a real nuanced, thought-out argument for either candidate. Until that happens very few people in this thread are spouting anything but change/anti-republican hot air, or anti-rhetoric/"real politican" hot air. Find out the policies before you start to enter debates please?
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Obama - enough of a reason is that he's not the Republican candidate.
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