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I'm going to a joint social with some Labour peeps next Wednesday. That's the extent of my entryism.

On the issue of left-wing parties, clearly Labour is ****, undemocratic, driven by middle-class interests etc., but really the Greens across most of the country are no improvement. They don't do anything worth doing - point in case, the Wednesday before last they ran a "Bonfire of Austerity"/"Festival of Ideas" that essentially involved them turning up to a place in the centre of town, throwing some cardboard together, and talking to themselves for about an hour before pissing off for some poetry. I have a lot of time for some Greens, but as a political campaigning organisation they seem to lack both political campaigns and organisation (Brighton council). Contrast this with the Socialist Party, who recently orchestrated a campaign for a union-ran letting agency at my uni.

(Original post by Saoirse:3)
Not as of yet here, loads of leftie ones but some are inactive/SWP in disguise/other issues. And many students seemingly run as indies, so I'll likely either do that or seek the support of Labour Students, who seem pretty left here and would be a big help without limiting me too much.
Well it'd be interesting to see you there if both of us manage to get elected.
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That sounds like a good idea - I actually just joined the RL Greens a couple of days ago!
cool, I'm moving on Saturday so probably easier to look into it after that for me so I have a fixed address and stuff, plus can see if they have anything going on where I will be living

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Good lads, I get a lot of my policy ideas from the newsletters they send to me I hope to see you both at party conference!
ah okay, cool, well I will let you know when I look into it more

(Original post by JPKC)
On the issue of left-wing parties, clearly Labour is ****, undemocratic, driven by middle-class interests etc., but really the Greens across most of the country are no improvement. They don't do anything worth doing - point in case, the Wednesday before last they ran a "Bonfire of Austerity"/"Festival of Ideas" that essentially involved them turning up to a place in the centre of town, throwing some cardboard together, and talking to themselves for about an hour before pissing off for some poetry. I have a lot of time for some Greens, but as a political campaigning organisation they seem to lack both political campaigns and organisation (Brighton council). Contrast this with the Socialist Party, who recently orchestrated a campaign for a union-ran letting agency at my uni.
I'd rather work with people who I can suggest ideas around action too like the Greens though tbh, the SWP always do things their way or no way in my experience, not to mention the fact that half of their ideas are just barmy, I'm not really a big fan of Leninism or Sexism either tbh
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While the NUS do provide great student services the fact that it's so party political is why i'm not more involved. That and the current head just tows the labour mouthpiece.

So good look people but as far as i'm concerned your damming inditements of the system.
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I see, I don't know I could ever stomach joining Labour myself, the idea of having to work with Blairites makes me feel physically ill

I might join the Green party in real life though, I agree with most of their policies and once my health improves I will definitely want to be politically active again, whether I end up looking for a job or back in education.
I wouldn't say they make me physically sick - even the Tories I've met have on the whole been misguided rather than evil - but in any case, I don't think there are many of them. In my year we'd only just started secondary school when Bliar left office, and most people who are enthusiasts of his actually seem more like now to show up in the left-wing of the Tories than the right-wing of Labour.
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(Original post by Saoirse:3)
I wouldn't say they make me physically sick - even the Tories I've met have on the whole been misguided rather than evil - but in any case, I don't think there are many of them. In my year we'd only just started secondary school when Bliar left office, and most people who are enthusiasts of his actually seem more like now to show up in the left-wing of the Tories than the right-wing of Labour.
meh Labour are still just too in bed with the establishment for me, wouldn't be happy being associated with a party that spends it's time nationally bashing Unions and propping up the austerity and anti-immigrant agenda, if people can live with that that's for them, for me it's beyond what I can stomach
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(Original post by SciFiRory)
I'd rather work with people who I can suggest ideas around action too like the Greens though tbh, the SWP always do things their way or no way in my experience, not to mention the fact that half of their ideas are just barmy, I'm not really a big fan of Leninism or Sexism either tbh
If you don't have a decent understanding of the economic theory behind your argument then you'll just be fulfilling the stereotype given to socialists by the Right. It's all very well saying "capitalism is bad", but if you can't back your argument up with some degree of reasoned coherency you won't get very far. And by "Socialist Party" I meant the Socialist Party, not the SWP.
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I've been over my view about this before but i'll tell my lovely story again was affiliated with le Greens but left really due to similar reasons JPKC described. They just seemed mildly discontented about the closure of libraries and only really engaged on their environmental policies (which I guess is why they're a Green party but I did want more from them). I fitted in with the more angry and I suppose militant cuts groups and TU's than an environmentalist party.

Although they were nice enough and maintained decent relations with a few other cuts groups. Also they didn't ramble on about Lenin and all that theory I guess it may be because they maintained a minor stake in the local council :dontknow:

EDIT: Cheeky sausage roll for a late lunch whats everyone else eating?
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(Original post by JPKC)
If you don't have a decent understanding of the economic theory behind your argument then you'll just be fulfilling the stereotype given to socialists by the Right. It's all very well saying "capitalism is bad", but if you can't back your argument up with some degree of reasoned coherency you won't get very far. And by "Socialist Party" I meant the Socialist Party, not the SWP.
I won't go into a big essay on it right now as I am moving tomorrow but I do and don't agree with your point, it really depends what you mean by "decent understanding".

I think a lot of people on both sides, but particularly the Left really live far too much in the bubble of academia and not enough in the real world as such.
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(Original post by SciFiRory)
I won't go into a big essay on it right now as I am moving tomorrow
Where too old bean? :ninja:
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Where too old bean? :ninja:
not that far tbh, up Paulton way so in between Bath (my hometown) and Bristol moving in with my girlfriend, got a 12 month rental on a nice little flat in a quite area, top floor though which is a bit of a pain cause means I have to be careful with stairs! but yeah should be good, been packing all day, found so much stuff I forgot I had! including all my memorabilia and the worlds largest collection of DVD's lol (as a huge geek you can imagine the stuff I have haha!)

means I probably won't be online for a while till we get the internet set up though, reminds me I need to let the Greens know to get someone to fill in for me.
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There isn't any political societies at my uni.
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(Original post by Cheese_Monster)
Good lads, I get a lot of my policy ideas from the newsletters they send to me I hope to see you both at party conference!
Oh, are you a member too? I'm confused about the process, I signed up online and it just kind of abandoned me . I presume they'll send me something at some point!
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Oh, are you a member too? I'm confused about the process, I signed up online and it just kind of abandoned me . I presume they'll send me something at some point!
Aye I am, a year now yesterday I think Yeah they should send you like a newsletter and confirmation letter in the post, as well as how to get involved in your local area and your local Green representatives/candidates etc
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As we're on the topic, I joined Labour Students a few days back o/

Edit: 500th post woo.
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I would like to advise the House that I have just enjoyed a bacon sandwich with bacon from my local butcher.
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Those times when you think you've managed not to lose anything on a night out, get ready to go to the shops the next day and then realise you have lost... the sole in your shoe. How I have managed to achieve that I don't think I'll ever know
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There isn't any political societies at my uni.
You could always set one up, you're bound to find some like minded students to help out.
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Is student politics male dominated, like on here?
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Is student politics male dominated, like on here?
Yes, but to a lesser extent. I think, for instance, that roughly a third of SU presidents are female. The NUS has discussed at great length the introduction of quotas to ensure a minimum of 50% females delegates, but the motion to do so was I think narrowly defeated last year.
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Passed tax and law exams for the ACA! Not in work for a few weeks because I've got more courses. No exams until after Christmas. Can finally relax.
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