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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    That's true but then Mourinho used Fabregas in front of Mikel and Matic on a regular basis. He likes his teams to be defensively solid first and foremost. Also just watching Chelsea under Mourinho from the 14/15 season on wards they have been terrible on the counter attack due to their deep starting position. They scored one goal from the counter attack in the 14/15 season when Chelsea won the league.
    Mikel and Matic was only for an absolute bus park though wasn't it? The one that comes out in the really big games? Mikel only started 5 league games, it was far more common to have Fabregas deep with Matic and Oscar in front, using Willian's work rate to compensate. He'll definitely like the strong spine that we could have though, particularly if he has a go at turning Schneiderlin into the Essien/Khedira style presence in midfield. No one @ me, I'm not saying he's as good as them.

    I don't think we'll start too deep, the Bailly signing suggests he wants his CBs to be mobile and capable of 1 vs 1 defending - Smalling, Bailly, Rojo and Jones are all theoretically capable of that. Would make sense in the absence of a destructive holding player too. At Madrid he had Alonso so needed Ramos/Pepe/Varane style CBs, here he's got Carrick/Schweinsteiger/Blind so needs Smalling/Bailly/Rojo/Jones. Again, no one @ me, I'm talking styles not ability.
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    (Original post by Louis.)
    Mikel and Matic was only for an absolute bus park though wasn't it? The one that comes out in the really big games? Mikel only started 5 league games, it was far more common to have Fabregas deep with Matic and Oscar in front, using Willian's work rate to compensate. He'll definitely like the strong spine that we could have though, particularly if he has a go at turning Schneiderlin into the Essien/Khedira style presence in midfield. No one @ me, I'm not saying he's as good as them.

    I don't think we'll start too deep, the Bailly signing suggests he wants his CBs to be mobile and capable of 1 vs 1 defending - Smalling, Bailly, Rojo and Jones are all theoretically capable of that. Would make sense in the absence of a destructive holding player too. At Madrid he had Alonso so needed Ramos/Pepe/Varane style CBs, here he's got Carrick/Schweinsteiger/Blind so needs Smalling/Bailly/Rojo/Jones. Again, no one @ me, I'm talking styles not ability.
    In big games(although he tried that at Stoke away in the 14/15 season). I think he did realise the issues of that formation but Zouma was in Mourinho's plans as a CB so instead of making him a CM like he was in the latter part of the 14/15 season(which actually helped us defensively unlike the Matic/Mikel/Fab trio) he moved him back to the CB position. He also commonly used that wretched 3 midfielder combo mid game(vs United away, Liverpool away LC semi final), I've spoken about the issues of that trio before so no need to speak it again but it was a fairly often formation used.

    Yeah, I think Mourinho did want us to play higher up, which is why at the start of this season just gone by he dropped Terry and played Cahill alongside Zouma, he had fast defenders 1 vs 1 in Pepe, Varane and Ramos at Madrid, although they played a more attacking style of football he still had similar issues to this Chelsea team(inability to break deep defences and poor protection of the space between midfield and the defence). Only difference was that Madrid were better in transition than Chelsea(because Ozil and Ronaldo)

    Also finally Louis Mourinho probably just realised Terry was the problem if we wanted to play more attacking football. Wonder how Conte solves this.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    I think there is more than a solid case to displace him in a theoretical sense but since Mourinho doesn't fancy Mata and prefers more industrious no.10s Rooney will play there. He could use Mkhitaryan there but he's been great playing off the right for Dortmund and that then relies on Depay delivering from the right side and improving his defensive work rate.I know what I'd do. Pogba/all purpose midfielder comes in, Schweinsteiger/Carrick plays alongside Schneiderlin and Pogba/multipurpose midfielder plays behind Ibra. Mkhitaryan, Martial, Depay, Valencia, Rashford rotate for the winger positions. Mata rotates with Pogba.
    I would agree there is a solid tactical case but no player we currently can fulfill that. Thats mainly why I said earlier I wonder whether Herrera can force his way in. He's not got a case as a player but tactically we'd fit a 4-3-3 best with our current line up (and considering the league mainly plays 231) and in that formation you need a CAM much more than a SS/no.10 type player, so I'd favour him over Rooney rep aside. He hasn't got the star power nor the goal threat that someone like Lampard has or Pogba would provide, so I think he'd struggle to win his place in more than an experimental side, then keeping it would be hard. In the 4-2-3-1, I think we'll be poor but I can see the blame for ill defensive discipline being equally pointed at Carrick,Basti or Morgan as Rooney, rather than possibly forcing a formation change at Rooney's expense.
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    Regardless though, very interested in you lot and who you buy.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Regardless though, very interested in you lot and who you buy.
    I do hope Jose's ego helps us be a more offensive side. Kind of feel he will be well aware this season and next will be huge in his and Pep's rivalry and the roles the media put them in. Offensively spanking a Pep side and being able to accuse Pep of anti-football and parking the bus, must be a dream of his and he's not going to get a much better chance than this season.


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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    No you need to have some credibility, Zlatan has no history with the team on a professional or personal level. Is he going to know how to speak to smooth of over dressing room disputes, or when someone has not got their head in the right place. What happens if no one in the team actually likes him? Would put him way down the list as an option.

    I don't think its worth speculating on Rooney. You are not going to know Jose's true motives at this stage. He's going to bed himself in before enacting a power play with someone like Rooney anyway. The problem with dropping Rooney is no one has a solid case to displace him. We'll have to wait and see either for how we play or signings.
    I see your point about Zlatan.

    With regards to a player displacing Rooney, it depends what system he plays. If it's 4-2-3-1, you have a point. 4-3-3, and it's a different matter as I fail to see where Rooney fits in.

    Most likely to be a 4-2-3-1, with this being Jose's favoured formation of late.
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    I think a DLP* and Schneiderlin with Herrera as CAM could be good, but with Rooney instead of Herrera it looks a bit less promising.

    *Part of me thinks Blind might end up playing more than anyone else here. The problem with Carrick/Schweinsteiger as the options is they won't get you through a whole season, even between them. Mourinho likes his tactics to be quite rigid - if we play with a DLP we'll always have one - and Blind will be the other option for Carrick/Schweinsteiger. As the only one capable of playing there week in week out Mourinho might give him a decent shot.

    Similarly with our fullbacks, we have Shaw to stretch the play on the left so Mourinho will want our LB to be an attacking outlet. At Madrid he had Marcelo and Coentrao. But if Shaw's out we don't have a similar player. On the other side Valencia and Darmian offer different things so it'll be interesting how that plays out.

    Someone said Mourinho wanting 'specialists' will be a culture shock after LVG's team of midfielders and that's definitely true.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Regardless though, very interested in you lot and who you buy.
    thoughts on Hojbjerg?
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    (Original post by swirly)
    thoughts on Hojbjerg?
    I don't have that much. Probably a question for Vae (if she ever returns). I guess playing games at Bayern at such a young age is good but I don't think he's getting in that team regularly anytime soon. Going Soton apparently so I think he probably will just need to develop his trade somewhere before going to a big club if he's good enough. Don't think his futures at Bayern yet though. Will probably be best served doing an Emre Can.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    I don't have that much. Probably a question for Vae (if she ever returns). I guess playing games at Bayern at such a young age is good but I don't think he's getting in that team regularly anytime soon. Going Soton apparently so I think he probably will just need to develop his trade somewhere before going to a big club if he's good enough. Don't think his futures at Bayern yet though. Will probably be best served doing an Emre Can.
    His deal to Soton is finalised. I just thought he would end up somewhere bigger, like a Milanese team or Liverpool, or maybe even West Ham.

    Qua doesn't post anymore cuz SUG creeped her out too much.
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    She quoted me two days ago, so she's still alive.
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    Fizzel and Vae have a special relationship, being the elite posters in these parts.
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    She repped me recently

    #lifegoals
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    4231 is gonna be dead if we get Pogba. Cant do that job.
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    Pogba gone missing in another big game

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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    Pogba gone missing in another big game

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    Ronaldo gone missing in another final *
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    France deserved everything they got for not playing Anthony Martial all tournament.
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    (Original post by swirly)
    Ronaldo gone missing in another final *
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    Mousa Sissoko plays for Newcastle
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    (Original post by SA-1)
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    Mousa Sissoko plays for Newcastle
    Abou Diaby plays for Marseille

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    this is what happen when martial is benched and giroud plays
    better players were not selected
    soo
 
 
 
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