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    Hey guys, I have always wanted to ask you people something.

    What are your reasons for choosing to pursue your undergraduate education overseas instead of pursuing them locally?

    I'll start the ball rolling by briefly explaining some of my motivations.

    1) Suffocating climate
    I do not refer to the weather or other celestial movements per se - I'm referring to the openness of the country, the suppressive feeling that seems to loom in the air as though it is overwhelming shadow that threatens to consume us all. We have our dreams, we have our ideals, and we have our belief system. For example, plans to change the community for the better being met with disparaging comments even before anything is being said. We are not some worker bees that are easily satisfied by stability in our country. Deep down, I have this tingly feeling that something humane, if I may use this word, is sorely lacking in most Singaporeans, and sadly, one of the greatest propagator for this manifestation is pragmatism.

    2) Lack of Identity as one entity
    Besides the once-a-year NDP parade that unites all Singaporeans regardless of race, language, and religion together, when else have we shared a common goal that we sought to work towards together? The Americans are proud to be an American, and they make no bones about it. Not that I'm not proud to be a Singaporean; I just feel more can be done to break the "unfeeling segregation" between people and engage people in issues and ideals that transcends beyond the daily bread and butter needs and desires, and work towards it as a whole, making it Our Singapore Dream.

    3) Extreme Competitiveness and the over-emphasis on Education
    I have to admit I have to grapple with a fair share of issues pertaining to this. In the process of scoring good grades, due to the unforgiving nature of the Singapore education system that threatens to leave anyone who is unable to catch up languishing in the wake of progress, I had to give up, or rather, spend less time on things which I really enjoy doing. One thing with education in Singapore is that, I realise, we tend to focus too much on knowledge acquisition and training of the mind and, to a lesser extent, survival skill sets and character building which I believe will enable us to better cope with the challenges we will face in life. Singapore has also gone far far beyond the primitive nation-building years, and we can certainly do with less emphasis on the Sciences.

    4) National Service
    One of the greatest transgression on human rights, and freedom of speech ever legally enacted. Everything is done according to a hierarchy and you as a serviceman, have no options but to obey meekly and unquestioningly. One of the most frustrating thing is that most our immediate superiors have a huge ego to start with and will reject any suggestions for improvement made by junior soldiers to streamline operations and make the unit a little more efficient. It almost seems that 'Change' is an anathema to SAF. Another thing, not all Singapore men can be a soldier. In my opinion, you can never be disciplined soldier that obeys orders with compliance if you are a thinking soldier. I would never want my son to experience what I have gone through if I have the choice.

    5) Employment
    Greater window of opportunities for overseas employment? (Left this out earlier because I was less concerned with employment)

    This are some of my humble opinions. I guess I'm pretty idealistic, but what about you guys?
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    (Original post by melsonchun)
    Hey guys, I have always wanted to ask you people something.

    What are your reasons for choosing to pursue your undergraduate education overseas instead of locally?

    I'll start the ball rolling by briefly explaining some of my motivations.

    1) Suffocating climate
    I do not refer to the weather or other celestial movements per se - I'm referring to the openness of the country, the suppressive feeling that seems to loom in the air as though it is overwhelming shadow that threatens to consume us all. We have our dreams, we have our ideals, and we have our belief system. We are not some worker bees that are easily satisfied by stability in our country. Deep down, I have this tingly feeling that something humane, if I may use this word, is sorely lacking in most Singaporeans, and sadly, one of the greatest propagator for this occurrence is pragmatism.

    2) Lack of Identity as one entity
    Besides the once-a-year NDP parade that unites all Singaporeans regardless of race, language, and religion together, when else have we shared a common goal that we sought to work towards together? The Americans are proud to be an American, and they make no bones about it. Not that I'm not proud to be a Singaporean; I just feel more can be done to break the "unfeeling segregation" between people and engage people in issues and ideals that transcends beyond the daily bread and butter needs and desires, and work towards it as a whole, making it Our Singapore Dream.

    3) Extreme Competitiveness and the over-emphasis on Education
    I have to admit I have to grapple with a fair share of issues pertaining to this. In the process of scoring good grades, due to the unforgiving nature of the Singapore education system that threatens to leave anyone who is unable to catch up languishing in the wake of progress, I had to give up, or rather, spend less time on things which I really enjoy doing. One thing with education in Singapore is that, I realise, we tend to focus too much on knowledge acquisition and training of the mind and, to a lesser extent, survival skill sets and character building which I believe will enable us to better cope with the challenges we will face in life. Singapore has also gone far far beyond the primitive nation-building years, and we can certainly do with less emphasis on the Sciences.

    4) National Service
    One of the greatest transgression on human rights, and freedom of speech. Everything is done according to a hierarchy and you as a serviceman, has no options but to obey unquestioningly. One of the most frustrating thing is that most our immediate superiors have a huge ego to start with and will reject any suggestions for improvement made by junior soldiers to streamline operations and make the unit a little more efficient. Another thing, not all Singapore men can be a soldier. In my opinion, you can never be disciplined soldier that obeys orders with compliance if you are a thinking soldier. I would never want my sons to experience what I have gone through if I had the choice.

    This are some of my humble opinions. I guess I'm pretty idealistic, but what about you guys?
    my reason is very simple...my course is not available in singapore as a specialised course....
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    (Original post by melsonchun)

    4) National Service
    One of the greatest transgression on human rights, and freedom of speech. Everything is done according to a hierarchy and you as a serviceman, has no options but to obey unquestioningly. One of the most frustrating thing is that most our immediate superiors have a huge ego to start with and will reject any suggestions for improvement made by junior soldiers to streamline operations and make the unit a little more efficient. Another thing, not all Singapore men can be a soldier. In my opinion, you can never be disciplined soldier that obeys orders with compliance if you are a thinking soldier. I would never want my sons to experience what I have gone through if I had the choice.
    i could actually feel the disgruntled angst through my screen, reading this paragraph :yes:

    regarding national service, okay its a serious waste of time and it encourages brain degeneration at an exponential rate. but on a whole, its a real eye-opener. going through all the training together, going on a month of outfield in australian savanna/desert and knowing people from all walks of life. experience wise, im not complaining. but length wise, 22/24 months is a tad long. or rather getting into university 2 years late is kinda retarded; 1 year wont be so bad.

    and dude, its YOUR country man. its your passport and your IC. hahaha. i am forced to serve NS, but dont get edusave or scholarships. now THAT is injustice.

    my reasons are quite simple too, i wish to seek employment overseas with a much more versatile legal scene and i do not want to be called back for ICT during summer breaks (which WILL happen if i do my studies locally) or partake in any form of reservists training.
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    (Original post by gi.)
    i could actually feel the disgruntled angst through my screen, reading this paragraph :yes:

    regarding national service, okay its a serious waste of time and it encourages brain degeneration at an exponential rate. but on a whole, its a real eye-opener. going through all the training together, going on a month of outfield in australian savanna/desert and knowing people from all walks of life. experience wise, im not complaining. but length wise, 22/24 months is a tad long. or rather getting into university 2 years late is kinda retarded; 1 year wont be so bad.

    and dude, its YOUR country man. its your passport and your IC. hahaha. i am forced to serve NS, but dont get edusave or scholarships. now THAT is injustice.

    my reasons are quite simple too, i wish to seek employment overseas with a much more versatile legal scene and i do not want to be called back for ICT during summer breaks (which WILL happen if i do my studies locally) or partake in any form of reservists training.
    Hmm, yes, it's my country and I will unflinchingly say I love Singapore. I am convinced that while NS is something inevitable for most Singapore males, more needs to change the SAF into a truly effective fighting force. Until then, NS is a drudge, as it is to you, me and 95% of the NSFs too. Haha!
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    (Original post by melsonchun)
    Hmm, yes, it's my country and I will unflinchingly say I love Singapore. I am convinced that while NS is something inevitable for most Singapore males, more needs to change the SAF into a truly effective fighting force. Until then, NS is a drudge, as it is to you, me and 95% of the NSFs too. Haha!
    "SAF" and "effective" mentioned in the same line. what is the world coming to. hahaha. anyway, i doubt saf will change in the long run, it was always run and managed this way. disgruntled NSFs still manage to ord without a hitch, so yep it wont change. so i guess as the common army lingo saying goes 'lanlan suck thumb' and just hope you get a 'relak jack' posting/vocation/commander
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    (Original post by gi.)
    "SAF" and "effective" mentioned in the same line. what is the world coming to. hahaha. anyway, i doubt saf will change in the long run, it was always run and managed this way. disgruntled NSFs still manage to ord without a hitch, so yep it wont change. so i guess as the common army lingo saying goes 'lanlan suck thumb' and just hope you get a 'relak jack' posting/vocation/commander
    Instant way to connect with another Singapore guy - ask "How's NS?"

    Haha, disgrunted NSFs! Actually I'm very glad to be posted to my current vocation. At least I have the time and luxury to muse and be amused by my bunkmates, 'saikang mates' and be given the term "office party' after being in the office for months. Compared to the commandos, it's heavenly!!

    And yes, it would be easier to gain employment abroad with a UK qualification. Guess I'll add that to my list too.:woo:
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    I'll give a 6th point. Freedom for those of us who are under the thumb of our parents.

    If you know you can manage your life well enough, without the well-meaning interference of parents (eg daily tuition, curfew, banning of computer during exams), overseas may very well be the only way out.

    I didn't exactly enjoy my secondary school (and JC) life because of these..'restrictions', and only found freedom in the SAF.

    I daresay if I haven't gone overseas, I wouldn't have *that* much enthusiasm in the course I'd be taking locally, and be performing at an average level.
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    (Original post by melsonchun)
    Instant way to connect with another Singapore guy - ask "How's NS?"
    THAT might be the other minor reason im avoiding local universities. can you imagine orientation?

    all the guys will be talking about their NS time...
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    Heck with the minimum grade requirements, I am including LSE into my choices and removing manchester. Heh!
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    melsonchun, you've taken your A levels already? Which course are you applying for?
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    (Original post by melsonchun)
    Instant way to connect with another Singapore guy - ask "How's NS?"

    Haha, disgrunted NSFs! Actually I'm very glad to be posted to my current vocation. At least I have the time and luxury to muse and be amused by my bunkmates, 'saikang mates' and be given the term "office party' after being in the office for months. Compared to the commandos, it's heavenly!!

    And yes, it would be easier to gain employment abroad with a UK qualification. Guess I'll add that to my list too.:woo:
    If you asked me that question, I would just say, "I just woke up from a 2 year coma, what did I miss." Either that, or I'll say, "Let's talk about something more pleasant."
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    (Original post by chronicles)
    melsonchun, you've taken your A levels already? Which course are you applying for?
    Hello.. have taken A Levels, and will be applying for law come september for deferred entry in 2011.. you?


    Just something extra, anyone into US shares and stockmarket here?
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    hahaha. I'll be taking my A levels this year *argh* and I'm applying this year. Which unis are you thinking of applying to?

    I'm mostly thinkingof London colleges, Durham, Nottingham and Oxford. Not sure which ones of these yet ><
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    (Original post by chronicles)
    hahaha. I'll be taking my A levels this year *argh* and I'm applying this year. Which unis are you thinking of applying to?

    I'm mostly thinkingof London colleges, Durham, Nottingham and Oxford. Not sure which ones of these yet ><
    Oh, summersolitude is taking e A levels and applying this year too. Looks like both of you are in e same batch.

    I'm applying to UCL, KCL, LSE, Warwick and Bristol. Quite confident on getting both Bristol and Warwick. Have you gotten your predicted grades yet?
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    (Original post by melsonchun)
    Oh, summersolitude is taking e A levels and applying this year too. Looks like both of you are in e same batch.

    I'm applying to UCL, KCL, LSE, Warwick and Bristol. Quite confident on getting both Bristol and Warwick. Have you gotten your predicted grades yet?
    erms we haven't explicitly been told, but my teachers do not agree to support your application for oxford/ cambridge/ LSE unless you're predicted As I think.

    This is all terrifying!
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    (Original post by chronicles)
    erms we haven't explicitly been told, but my teachers do not agree to support your application for oxford/ cambridge/ LSE unless you're predicted As I think.

    This is all terrifying!
    Hmmm, you feel you won't be able to get all the As they require?

    I'm applying for LSE despite not having straight As.
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    (Original post by melsonchun)
    Hmmm, you feel you won't be able to get all the As they require?
    For predictions or for A levels? For A levels everybody is always terrified I think. For predictions, they've agreed to back me so I guess that means they'll predict sufficient As.
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    (Original post by melsonchun)
    Hmmm, you feel you won't be able to get all the As they require?

    I'm applying for LSE despite not having straight As.
    (Original post by chronicles)
    For predictions or for A levels? For A levels everybody is always terrified I think. For predictions, they've agreed to back me so I guess that means they'll predict sufficient As.
    all in all, good luck to both of you for your this cycle of apps then. with predicted or actual results, it is an equally nerve-wrecking process. hahaha, you will check the UCAS Track every single hour of the day for updates. thus the term Track Addict

    goooood luck
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    (Original post by gi.)
    all in all, good luck to both of you for your this cycle of apps then. with predicted or actual results, it is an equally nerve-wrecking process. hahaha, you will check the UCAS Track every single hour of the day for updates. thus the term Track Addict

    goooood luck
    Thank you!!
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    (Original post by chronicles)
    Thank you!!
    i didnt really catch what you were applying on this page of forums, so what are you applying for again? as in which course?

    haha, sorry if you mentioned before and i missed out!
 
 
 
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