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(Original post by mobbsy91)
Not quite 1200 years old, but have whatever our oldest one is... I have no clue because the old bartender, whoever he is, left me in the lurch...


Personally, I would've given a different punishment, but hey ho!

Just one!? That's what you always say
This time I mean it!

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MHoC members already get away with a lot. Believe me. Some of the comments made in here would get carded in other forums. But, the MHoC is its own community, where the moderation is a bit more lenient on the whole. However, there is banter and there is singling someone out for ridicule. Especially when it is done as a party - and no matter how many people were involved, it went out as a party motion. That is unacceptable behaviour. Moreover, instead of just fessing up and apologising, there was denial and a cover-up. Which is a shame, really.
Personally I believe that the motion in question wasn't offensive, and that we are bending over backwards for people who get offended at the tiniest things. However I understand that such a thing may breach the rules of this forum and if I had been in a senior position at UKIP I wouldn't have put it forward for being in bad taste and being a joke bill (something I think should be banned tbh.)

However the heart of the issue for me is that the Speaker posted this to the house, and is not taking any responsibility for doing so. In the act of submitting it he approved it going forward, yet he is now going back on that and blaming our entire party when if we was taking his role as a speaker seriously would have read the motion before submitting us, telling us it is against the rules and warning us not to do it again.
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We are not going to disband but the early consensus in UKIP suggests things are going to change.
Campaigning for peerage and you will all be in the Lords instead?
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£80 for a single!
Take my card. And yourself?
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Take my card. And yourself?
Cheers!
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Cheers!
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(Original post by Little Toy Gun)
Campaigning for peerage and you will all be in the Lords instead?
We are still aboard the Brussels gravy train at the moment on a one-way, UK taxpayer-funded journey to Australia.
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We are still aboard the Brussels gravy train at the moment on a one-way, UK taxpayer-funded journey to Australia.
Hmm continuing on the good old British tradition?
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(Original post by tyroncs)
Personally I believe that the motion in question wasn't offensive, and that we are bending over backwards for people who get offended at the tiniest things. However I understand that such a thing may breach the rules of this forum and if I had been in a senior position at UKIP I wouldn't have put it forward for being in bad taste and being a joke bill (something I think should be banned tbh.)

However the heart of the issue for me is that the Speaker posted this to the house, and is not taking any responsibility for doing so. In the act of submitting it he approved it going forward, yet he is now going back on that and blaming our entire party when if we was taking his role as a speaker seriously would have read the motion before submitting us, telling us it is against the rules and warning us not to do it again.
The Speaker, as I understand it, accepted it in good faith. I must admit that I, at first glance, did as well. And the Speaker has apologised for it.

It is always good to keep in mind that there are real people behind the usernames and avatars of this forum. So, what may have seemed like an hilarious idea on Skype, should really have been thought through. The MHoC should be a pleasant place for everyone to debate. That doesn't mean that it needs to be all fluffy bunnies and rainbows - I personally quite enjoy a heated debate from time to time - but it should never get personal. Address the view/post, don't insult the poster.
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Well, with the Libertarians dead, UKIP being banned, the Greens and Socialists being pretty unpalatable to you and Labour being Labour... I guess you better have a very generous offer on the table for us right about now!
It's like 2010 again, an arm wrestle over the Libs.
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The Speaker, as I understand it, accepted it in good faith. I must admit that I, at first glance, did as well. And the Speaker has apologised for it.

It is always good to keep in mind that there are real people behind the usernames and avatars of this forum. So, what may have seemed like an hilarious idea on Skype, should really have been thought through. The MHoC should be a pleasant place for everyone to debate. That doesn't mean that it needs to be all fluffy bunnies and rainbows - I personally quite enjoy a heated debate from time to time - but it should never get personal. Address the view/post, don't insult the poster.
That is a fair point I guess, but it does set a dangerous precedent. The speaker has apologised for his part in the fiasco yet UKIP still take the full punishment for it. A warning would have been sufficient in this case, considering the relevant members were unaware what they were doing would be against the rules and that the Speakership team were complicit in the same offence.

Also this starts to impact how the entire Model House of Commons works. As a party we are unable to submit any legislation or form a government, essentially making it pointless for us to bother trying to do well in this General Election at all
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That is a fair point I guess, but it does set a dangerous precedent. The speaker has apologised for his part in the fiasco yet UKIP still take the full punishment for it. A warning would have been sufficient in this case, considering the relevant members were unaware what they were doing would be against the rules and that the Speakership team were complicit in the same offence.

Also this starts to impact how the entire Model House of Commons works. As a party we are unable to submit any legislation or form a government, essentially making it pointless for us to bother trying to do well in this General Election at all
You can submit stuff a month in, that's when UKIP started submitting this term anyway.
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(Original post by That Bearded Man)
It's like 2010 again, an arm wrestle over the Libs.
We're the pretty girl a few days before prom

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You can submit stuff a month in, that's when UKIP started submitting this term anyway.
We wanted to make sure our legislation was relevant before submitting it.
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Chardonnay?
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
We wanted to make sure our legislation was relevant before submitting it.
I'm sure you can manage to do that again then

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It's like 2010 again, an arm wrestle over the Libs.
We are a beautiful party to arm wrestle over.
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Chardonnay?
Happily, sir. And you know whose tab to put it on!
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That is a fair point I guess, but it does set a dangerous precedent. The speaker has apologised for his part in the fiasco yet UKIP still take the full punishment for it. A warning would have been sufficient in this case, considering the relevant members were unaware what they were doing would be against the rules and that the Speakership team were complicit in the same offence.

Also this starts to impact how the entire Model House of Commons works. As a party we are unable to submit any legislation or form a government, essentially making it pointless for us to bother trying to do well in this General Election at all
Well, it is UKIP who produced the motion. The Speaker only accepted it in good faith. He didn't come up with it. Now, if it were a private member motion, it could have been dealt with as such, as not only does it breach MHoC rules, it also breaks TSR rules. Considering it's a party motion, however, it is difficult to determine who is responsible, and that is why action needed to be taken against the party, not the individual.

The ability to produce legislation is only for a few weeks into the term. It doesn't affect the party for the entire term. And you're not in government now and have still been the most active party in the House and, admittedly, have made a huge impact! So, my suggestion would be - keep going strong. The term is about to end, build on your experience, and make the next term an even more impressive one.
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