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  • View Poll Results: Are you pleased that EMA has been scrapped?
    Yes, it wasn't fair on the middle classes and was used innapropriately!
    41.03%
    Yes, we can no longer afford it!
    14.81%
    I am indifferent
    4.27%
    No, we can still afford it!
    2.28%
    No, poorer students relied upon it and it encouraged social mobility!
    37.61%

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      (Original post by WelshBluebird)
      Does it really bloody matter? The fact is people in that position clearly need support. I it wasn't for EMA, kids in that situation would have to get a full time job to help pay the bills, thus stopping them from carrying on in education.

      I think its obvious I meant to say "girlfriend's".

      And as I said, I don't do it. But I easily could.
      And as public transport is partly funded by the taxpayer, what is the difference?
      Yes it does. How the fact can you have electricity throughout primary/secondary school then miraculously EMA is paying for the bills when you start sixth form? How was electricity paid for in the first place?

      Take advantage of EMA - don't pay anything.
      Take advantage of EMA and "get caught" - don't pay anything.
      Take advantage of the transport system - don't pay anything.
      Take advantage of the transport system and "get caught" - you *should* get a fine.

      Do people get fines for abusing EMA? No.
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        (Original post by im so academic)
        That's not maintaining education, that's paying for the bloody house bills. EMA is not supposed to be used specifically to pay the bills.

        Who the **** paid the bills since you were born up until 16? Why does this change as soon as you start AS levels?
        Well the maintenance should ideally be used to pay for
        - Books
        - Equipment
        - School trips (if applicable)
        - Food
        - Travel (if applicable)

        - Many colleges do not charge you for textbooks (pay a deposit etc)
        - Equipment is usually provided. Pens and Notepads (and sometimes calculators) are generally the only necessary items to purchase.
        - Those eligible for a part or full EMA are often also eligible for food credits - Eg this isn't usually a problem if you eat in college

        However this does not apply everywhere. I went to two sixth forms. One had the budget to subsidise most of the above. My second VI form didn't provide it at all.

        So I don't see a problem with using them on additional things such as phone bills. I mean, fine, sure. One may argue that only turning up to VI form just for EMA is a bad thing. And people who use it on Booze/Games/Drugs/ whatever are not using it for waht the EMA should be utilised for.

        But on the other hand - Those that really need it; those from such background that depend on the allowance - These are the people we must consider. What you as an individual are doing is taking the small number of people who abuse their allowance (just like the small number of people who abuse welfare etc) and coming to a juxtaposition about scrapping EMA as a whole.
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        (Original post by Katt-x)
        People could find a way. Part time job? My parents didn't want me to do sixth form... they wanted me to go out and get a full time job. But I chose to stay on at school, and so now have to pay for everything to do with my education. I don't get EMA, so my part time job pays for me to stay in education. Surely all these clever kids could get jobs too?
        In todays economy.. no they couldnt but ehh i guess thats no reason to keep them on benefits. You dont see adults doing that.. oh wait...never mind that.

        point is in a reccesion little kiddies trying to study arent going to be given the jobs and they would likely just sign onto the doll if they couldnt support them selves. Not to mention some of them might not even look for a job , not all of them are willing to work like yourself. Then again I guess you could argue if they
        " dun' wna work then they shudnt get nuthin like education "
        sooo yeah..theyl join the doll que
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        (Original post by im so academic)
        Maintain education = travel, food, stationary, books at the most.

        "Sacrificing the living of a life" - oh please, this isn't a war-stricken country. This is Britain. You can "have a life" (please define this) without spending taxpayers' money. If not, tough, you don't "have a life". What's more important to you - education or ****ing about?

        By asking that question "how £30 should be spent on nothing other than school", you DIRECTLY saying it's too much.

        EMA should not be used for concert tickets, alcohol, cannabis, expensive clothing, magazines etc etc.

        Thank God it's scrapped.
        - Yes, I'm saying £30 is too much to be spent purely on education every week - because IT ISN'T MEANT TO only BE SPENT ON BOOKS AND PENS!
        - Sacrificing the living of a life was ironic, but OK. What I meant was, the point of the £30 is to prevent people from having to spend the money that they would use to have a bit of fun on just the stuff they need for school.
        - I specified earlier, the "minimum level" of socialising. That means, the cinema maybe once or twice a month and perhaps the odd couple of pints with a mate. I can honestly say that in the last 6 months I have not spent a penny of my EMA on "concert tickets, cannabis, magazines or expensive clothing" (depending on your subjective view of what classes as 'expensive').
        - Get off your high horse. "What's more important, my education or ****ing about?" You don't know me! I'm a straight-A student who puts 110% into all my school work, so don't even dare to suggest that I'm some sort of waster who doesn't value an education. This discussion is about EMA, not you judging me without knowing anything about me.
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        Everyone who says yes doesn't get EMA.

        Everyone who says no does get EMA.

        Pointless poll.
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        I don't really fit into any of the poll categories. Frankly, I think a lot of students are given EMA who don't need it. There are lots who do, and they should still get it; but people who don't shouldn't. For example, it would have been helpful for me -- my stepdad (the only earner) got made redundant half way through me being in Y12, but EMA relies on financial info from the previous year, meaning that I wasn't eligible in Y12 or 13, so I got a job instead. [I was lucky to get a job at the time, and they're even harder to come by at the moment.] At the same time, I have a friend whose parents are absolutely reeling it in, but her dad owns a business and somehow managed to hide enough money for her to get £30/week. The problem is that a lot of people who need EMA and people who don't have the same household incomes, so basing it on that alone isn't enough to judge whether or not someone needs it.

        I don't think we can afford it, so it should be cut down and have a better judge of who should get it put in place. I think it's unfair to remove it completely, though.
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        (Original post by Struggles4aB)
        People can't just get jobs straight away.
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        I'd love for those who are so against the EMA system to be in our shoes, because the majority of them have it all served on a ****ing silver platter to them and don't realise that some of us actually NEED it.
        This.

        (Original post by im so academic)
        Yes it does. How the fact can you have electricity throughout primary/secondary school then miraculously EMA is paying for the bills when you start sixth form? How was electricity paid for in the first place?

        Take advantage of EMA - don't pay anything.
        Take advantage of EMA and "get caught" - don't pay anything.
        Take advantage of the transport system - don't pay anything.
        Take advantage of the transport system and "get caught" - you *should* get a fine.

        Do people get fines for abusing EMA? No.
        As I said, if it wasn't for EMA some people would need to get a full time job rather than go to sixth form. That is a fact. And perhaps the parents took a loan, or paid on credit (as many poor families are forced to do).

        And no they don't, but as I have said many times (which you just ignore), the system is not perfect. It needs to be changed not scrapped. Change it so that its vouchers / passes instead of cash. Change it so that the person can get fined or disciplined or whatever if they misuse it. But don't scrap it.
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        this may have been said before but im going to say it again:

        Almost every person i know who receives EMA uses it for alcohol, clothes or other things that they want and do not need. Yes there are a minority of people who use it for travel and keeps them coming to school- but if there only going to school just to get the money thats coming in, then what is the point of going to school in the first place for them? if the only incentive is money then this is just a fickle reason for doing so. Billions of pounds are wasted on these types of people just so they can spend it on drink.

        Obviously there are some who actually use it for travel etc, and do use it for the right thing. But EMA just sends through money in the bank, the govt do not actually control how people spend it- and they can do as they like with it.
        Maybe they should introduce some kind of scheme that allows them to use it on particular things; like travel, books etc, so i think that would be a fairer way to spread the money. To the people who actually need it.
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        So yes, i agree with WelshBlueBird
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        (Original post by anomynous)
        no!:mad: don't have the time for a job plus need private bus to travel to school so it helps a lot even though i only get £10 :P
        As a general question:
        How do you not have enough time to even work say 5 hours a week? Thats like 4-9pm on a friday...barely cuts into time..?
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        They should keep EMA, but they should make it more tougher for people to apply for it and reduce that EMA to maximum of £20.
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        (Original post by WelshBluebird)
        This.



        As I said, if it wasn't for EMA some people would need to get a full time job rather than go to sixth form. That is a fact. And perhaps the parents took a loan, or paid on credit (as many poor families are forced to do).

        And no they don't, but as I have said many times (which you just ignore), the system is not perfect. It needs to be changed not scrapped. Change it so that its vouchers / passes instead of cash. Change it so that the person can get fined or disciplined or whatever if they misuse it. But don't scrap it.
        There's plenty of middle/working class kids who don't get EMA, and work part time.
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        Yes, I agree.

        It amuses me to hear people *****ing about them scrapping it - "OMG, they're taking away EMA. How will I pay my iPhone contract every month!?"

        One of my friends used her EMA to go and get her hair dyed... hardly an educational necessity.
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        (Original post by AshleyT)
        There's plenty of middle/working class kids who don't get EMA, and work part time.
        And yes, because getting a job right now is that easy :rolleyes:

        In any case, I know people who got EMA who did have a job, but the money from the job went on household bills. So they needed the EMA to help pay to stay in education.

        (Original post by AshleyT)
        As a general question:
        How do you not have enough time to even work say 5 hours a week? Thats like 4-9pm on a friday...barely cuts into time..?
        How would you be able to start work at 4 when most colleges / sixth forms don't finish until around 3.30? Especially if you don't live in a city or a big town.
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        I went with indifferent.

        Lefty though I am, it was hardly ever used for what it was meant. Maybe if the government replaced it with free public transport use and subsidised meals/books, it would work better. People I know who had it always seemed to use it mainly on stuff/ going out, rather than educational things. I don't have a problem with this per se, but it just meant being very unfair to other students, especially those who were just over the salary border.
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        I've never met anyone who uses it for what it is meant for. It's just pocket money from the government that people spend on crap.

        Yes, some people do need it, but surely there are other ways that the government can look in to to help those who will miss out. I know people who get £30 a week but have a swimming pool in their house and a second home in Australia ffs.
       
       
       
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