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    (Original post by py0alb)
    In 5 minutes of a decent metal album you might hear 10 different motifs, several counterpoints, 3 key changes, some asynchrony, some chromatic inteludes, unusual time signatures, the lot; all fulfilling a specific dramatic purpose. Even Wagner would struggle to cover all that in 5 minutes.
    None of this matters if it sounds ****. Whether it sounds good or not always comes above technicalities and things like that
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    (Original post by dnumberwang)
    None of this matters if it sounds ****. Whether it sounds good or not always comes above technicalities and things like that
    Well obviously. I was just disputing a previous claim that there is no music that can compare to classical in terms of complexity. I don't think thats true at all.

    Calling metal simplistic because they often use variations of the verse chorus structure if like calling Seamus Heaney simplistic because he still writes in metric stanzas rather than free verse. For an intelligence composer, structure can be liberating.
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    (Original post by py0alb)
    Well obviously. I was just disputing a previous claim that there is no music that can compare to classical in terms of complexity. I don't think thats true at all.

    Calling metal simplistic because they often use variations of the verse chorus structure if like calling Seamus Heaney simplistic because he still writes in metric stanzas rather than free verse. For an intelligence composer, structure can be liberating.
    Ah fair enough, it's not like complexity actually matters anyway
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    (Original post by Billy Pilgrim)
    Huh, I never thought I'd see Kayo Dot mentioned on TSR...Hold on a minute, you're from York?! Which school do you attend?
    Bootham School
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    Nott much becuz u lyk listening 2 diff fings in diff moods/times so da dnt mean ur lyk da =S but if it was scarry music hmm ehe
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    (Original post by field)
    Bootham School
    Ah damn, York College I'm afraid.
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    (Original post by medbh4805)
    No I don't, mainly because I've grown up to a sufficient extent to realise that music elitism is one of the worst kinds of **** measuring in existence and people who boast about the size of their CD collections are usually some of the most obnoxious people you will ever meet.

    My two cents.
    You so should've said my 50 cents
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    (Original post by Moscardini)
    You so should've said my 50 cents
    You aren't implyig that I would sink to such a low level of humanity that I would listen to such tripe??? :hmmm:

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    (Original post by medbh4805)
    You aren't implyig that I would sink to such a low level of humanity that I would listen to such tripe??? :hmmm:

    Good point
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    To all the people disregarding Hip Hop, you have probably not even listened to hip hop. And even if you have, you haven't with an open mind.

    Hip hop encompasses a hugely important, influential genre of music, which in my opinion trumps every other genre other than maybe jazz, in terms of it's creativity and variety.

    I've not met people who actually listen to hip hop, and definitely never met a chav who likes hip hop. The ones into their music are probably more into grime, dubstep and maybe House, but most into your standard boring mainstream radio 1 chart stuff. Not hip hop.
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    (Original post by TheSilentG)
    :eek:

    It was meant to confuse you . I'm kidding mate, I want YOU yes, YOU Drunk Punx to recommend some Black Metal bands with the bands that you know . Sorry about the confusion I was trying to watch Come Dine with Me Christmas Special while I was typing my post :rolleyes:. I mainly listen to Death, Thrash, Groove and Prog Metal but I want to expand my field of Black Metal; I first heard of Agalloch due to the fact the band was being reviewed by one of my favourite Youtubers (TheNeedleDrop), I listened to Agalloch and I was amazed . Have a good day , I have to go into town to complete my Christmas shopping, it's going to be a ****ing nightmare :eek:.
    What I listen to is mainly DSBM (Depressive Suicidal Black Metal) as opposed to traditional black metal. So bands like:

    Sterbend
    Nyktalgia
    Nocturnal Depression
    Make A Change... Kill Yourself
    ...
    Lamentations Of The Ashen
    Abyssic Hate
    Trist
    Hypothermia
    Life Is Pain
    Life Neglected
    Kyla
    Canis Dirus (which are DSBM to an extent)
    ColdWorld
    Exitus Letalis
    Forgotten Tomb
    Any of Morbid's bands (not the Morbid from Forgotten Tomb, but the one from Happy Days, Hanging Garden, etc. Can find more bands of his by typing Happy Days into the Metal Archives and looking at what other bands he's been in. Most of those are quite heavily slated for being "nothing new" in the DSBM genre, but I don't really give a toss what other people think)
    Exiled From Light
    Winds Of Sorrow
    When Mine Eyes Blacken
    Gris
    Miserere Luminis
    Monarque
    Dead And Forgotten
    Shining (the Swedish Shining, not the Norwegian one)
    Sombres Forêts
    Silencer
    Thy Light
    Todeskult
    Svedhous
    Wigrid
    Wehmut
    Würm

    Then there's the "not so DSBM bands" like:
    Alcest
    Amesoeurs
    Mortifera
    Peste Noire
    Darkestrah
    Drudkh
    An Autumn For Crippled Children
    I Shalt Become
    Lantlôs
    Nachtmystium
    Sacrificia Mortuorum (I went through a phase where I listened to their "Maturum Est" album pretty much non-stop for ages)
    Sólstafir
    Velvet Cacoon (mostly Ambient/Dark Ambient material, but good BM nonetheless)
    Wolves In The Throne Room
    Pensées Nocturnes (it's both depressive and not, I'll let you be the judge of it)
    Fen
    Winterfylleth
    Altar Of Plagues

    Funeral Doom:
    Elysian Blaze
    Esoteric
    Senthil
    Bosque
    Nortt
    Wormphlegm
    (Top two are heavily recommended, especially Elysian Blaze for the depressive side of them. Esoteric for the more typical Funeral Doom-y aspects).

    Should be enough to get you started :yy:

    Edit: All those bands with full discographies can be found on the Metal-Archives site. Worth checking through any members old bands/other projects too for any other gems you happen across.
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    (Original post by .neon)
    Really? Links or it didn't happen!

    No, seriously - I've never seen that, although I have seen the trve black metallers and the thrashers on the wild, on their own.
    No links needed. Spend about a week on the forums and you'll see the Moderators (which are mostly the thrashers) handing permabans out left right and centre just because someone doesn't think that Thrash is the best metal sub-genre :lol:

    Dunno if it still happens, but such happenings used to rife.

    (Original post by RosyAurora)
    What...is... that... :erm:
    The LLN
    Les Legions Noires was a French underground black metal circle that was very incestuous when it came to who was in what band (Vorlock, Vordb Drésgvor Uèzréèvb, Lord Beleth'Rim, et al all played in the same bands and switched about a lot).
    Little is known about the LLN given that the music the bands produced was released in a very limited supply (for example, 50 tapes, or a handful of copies only given out to friends, etc).
    That sort of music is the sort of music that pretty much all the bands on the LLN played (Raw or Ambient Black Metal).

    (Original post by Boobies.)
    Not usually no, but if i find out a seemingly normal person listens to hardcore MCing or suicidal music, id find it a bit weird.
    O HAI! :wavey:

    Edit: 3000th post for the win...
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    What I listen to is mainly DSBM (Depressive Suicidal Black Metal) as opposed to traditional black metal. So bands like:

    Sterbend
    Nyktalgia
    Nocturnal Depression
    Make A Change... Kill Yourself
    ...
    Lamentations Of The Ashen
    Abyssic Hate
    Trist
    Hypothermia
    Life Is Pain
    Life Neglected
    Kyla
    Canis Dirus (which are DSBM to an extent)
    ColdWorld
    Exitus Letalis
    Forgotten Tomb
    Any of Morbid's bands (not the Morbid from Forgotten Tomb, but the one from Happy Days, Hanging Garden, etc. Can find more bands of his by typing Happy Days into the Metal Archives and looking at what other bands he's been in. Most of those are quite heavily slated for being "nothing new" in the DSBM genre, but I don't really give a toss what other people think)
    Exiled From Light
    Winds Of Sorrow
    When Mine Eyes Blacken
    Gris
    Miserere Luminis
    Monarque
    Dead And Forgotten
    Shining (the Swedish Shining, not the Norwegian one)
    Sombres Forêts
    Silencer
    Thy Light
    Todeskult
    Svedhous
    Wigrid
    Wehmut
    Würm

    Then there's the "not so DSBM bands" like:
    Alcest
    Amesoeurs
    Mortifera
    Peste Noire
    Darkestrah
    Drudkh
    An Autumn For Crippled Children
    I Shalt Become
    Lantlôs
    Nachtmystium
    Sacrificia Mortuorum (I went through a phase where I listened to their "Maturum Est" album pretty much non-stop for ages)
    Sólstafir
    Velvet Cacoon (mostly Ambient/Dark Ambient material, but good BM nonetheless)
    Wolves In The Throne Room
    Pensées Nocturnes (it's both depressive and not, I'll let you be the judge of it)
    Fen
    Winterfylleth
    Altar Of Plagues

    Funeral Doom:
    Elysian Blaze
    Esoteric
    Senthil
    Bosque
    Nortt
    Wormphlegm
    (Top two are heavily recommended, especially Elysian Blaze for the depressive side of them. Esoteric for the more typical Funeral Doom-y aspects).

    Should be enough to get you started :yy:

    Edit: All those bands with full discographies can be found on the Metal-Archives site. Worth checking through any members old bands/other projects too for any other gems you happen across.
    Holy **** that is a lot of Black Metal :B, thank man . I'll listen to as much as I can however I've got some bands/musicians to listen to at the moment go through at the moment (I don't know whether you'll like it): Barenaked Ladies (Alternative Rock), Dimmu Borgir (Symphonic Black Metal), Burial (UK Garage/Ambient/Experimental), Johnny and Jenny (Indie Rock/Folk), James Blake (Dubstep/Ambient) and Psyche Origami (Hip Hop). Your avatar brings back so many memories :') hope you had a wonderful day.
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    (Original post by TheSilentG)
    Holy **** that is a lot of Black Metal :B, thank man . I'll listen to as much as I can however I've got some bands/musicians to listen to at the moment go through at the moment (I don't know whether you'll like it): Barenaked Ladies (Alternative Rock), Dimmu Borgir (Symphonic Black Metal), Burial (UK Garage/Ambient/Experimental), Johnny and Jenny (Indie Rock/Folk), James Blake (Dubstep/Ambient) and Psyche Origami (Hip Hop). Your avatar brings back so many memories :') hope you had a wonderful day.
    I never really got on with Demon Burger. There was just something about them that didn't sit right with me for some reason. Barenaked Ladies are alright (only heard the odd song here or there), but I'm not into any of the other genres at all.

    This guy has quite a bit of DSBM on his profile as well:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/cradle15.../6/31Z6i9HKKGY

    Edit: I missed Bann off of the "not so DSBM" list :facepalm2:
    Bann are very good at mixing black metal with classical influences.
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    I never really got on with Demon Burger. There was just something about them that didn't sit right with me for some reason. Barenaked Ladies are alright (only heard the odd song here or there), but I'm not into any of the other genres at all.

    This guy has quite a bit of DSBM on his profile as well:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/cradle15.../6/31Z6i9HKKGY

    Edit: I missed Bann off of the "not so DSBM" list :facepalm2:
    Bann are very good at mixing black metal with classical influences.
    Ha, trying to sneak in a Dethklok reference I see. I'm watching you carefully :sexface:. You should try some of the other genres, I know music is subjective but hell the genres I reccomended are good. Though for hip hop you might want to go for some of the more underground stuff. If you want me to reccomend some hip hop I'll be happy to .
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    (Original post by TheSilentG)
    Ha, trying to sneak in a Dethklok reference I see. I'm watching you carefully :sexface:. You should try some of the other genres, I know music is subjective but hell the genres I reccomended are good. Though for hip hop you might want to go for some of the more underground stuff. If you want me to reccomend some hip hop I'll be happy to .
    I listened to Jurassic 5 once... they weren't too bad. Listened to some of The RZA's stuff because he done the soundtrack for Afro Samurai :ahee:

    Nah man, they were being called Demon Burger waaaaay back before Dethklok. I think someone burnt me a Dethklok album ages ago. No idea where it's got to though.
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    I listened to Jurassic 5 once... they weren't too bad. Listened to some of The RZA's stuff because he done the soundtrack for Afro Samurai :ahee:

    Nah man, they were being called Demon Burger waaaaay back before Dethklok. I think someone burnt me a Dethklok album ages ago. No idea where it's got to though.
    Great start on the Hip Hop front I must say , you've made good choices!
    In terms of Hip Hop I'd reccomend:
    Jedi Mind Tricks
    Jus Allah
    Kid Cudi
    Necro (he used to be the guitarist for Death Metal band Injustice)
    Nas (Illmatic is in my top ten albums of all time)
    Flying Lotus (instrumental)
    Esham
    Nosaj Thing (instrumental)
    Nujabes
    UGK
    Jehst
    Klashnekoff
    Immortal Technique
    Lowkey
    MF Doom
    Sage Francis
    Eminem (stay away from Encore and some songs on Recovery)
    Cage
    Snoop Dogg (older stuff certainly)
    Jay Z (Reasonable Doubt = Brilliant)
    Atmosphere
    P.O.S
    Zion I
    Roots Manuva
    MF Grimm
    Wu Tang Clan
    U God
    RZA
    GZA
    Kool G Rap
    KRS One
    Tupac Shakur
    Notorious B.I.G
    N.W.A
    Dr Dre
    Ice Cube
    DMX (his older stuff was very good.)
    Run DMC
    Busta Rhymes (older material is very good)
    J Dilla (instrumental)
    Slum Village
    Yak Ballz
    Alchemist
    Black Milk
    Royce Da 59'
    50 Cent (Power of The Dollar and Get Rich or Die Trying are good albums, 50's mainstream stuff is utter ****e.)

    You gave me Black Metal I provided Hip Hop, a stark contrast I know but both genres are brilliant, enjoy! Also in regards to Afro Samurai is it any good? My friend told me about it however I couldn't be arsed to watch it at the time, however I'm always open to knew programmes. Peace.
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    (Original post by TheSilentG)
    Great start on the Hip Hop front I must say , you've made good choices!
    In terms of Hip Hop I'd reccomend:
    Jedi Mind Tricks
    Jus Allah
    Kid Cudi
    Necro (he used to be the guitarist for Death Metal band Injustice)
    Nas (Illmatic is in my top ten albums of all time)
    Flying Lotus (instrumental)
    Esham
    Nosaj Thing (instrumental)
    Nujabes
    UGK
    Jehst
    Klashnekoff
    Immortal Technique
    Lowkey
    MF Doom
    Sage Francis
    Eminem (stay away from Encore and some songs on Recovery)
    Cage
    Snoop Dogg (older stuff certainly)
    Jay Z (Reasonable Doubt = Brilliant)
    Atmosphere
    P.O.S
    Zion I
    Roots Manuva
    MF Grimm
    Wu Tang Clan
    U God
    RZA
    GZA
    Kool G Rap
    KRS One
    Tupac Shakur
    Notorious B.I.G
    N.W.A
    Dr Dre
    Ice Cube
    DMX (his older stuff was very good.)
    Run DMC
    Busta Rhymes (older material is very good)
    J Dilla (instrumental)
    Slum Village
    Yak Ballz
    Alchemist
    Black Milk
    Royce Da 59'
    50 Cent (Power of The Dollar and Get Rich or Die Trying are good albums, 50's mainstream stuff is utter ****e.)

    You gave me Black Metal I provided Hip Hop, a stark contrast I know but both genres are brilliant, enjoy! Also in regards to Afro Samurai is it any good? My friend told me about it however I couldn't be arsed to watch it at the time, however I'm always open to knew programmes. Peace.
    Man, Afro Samurai is the ****! Ninja Ninja has got to be the best character, purely for some of the stuff he comes out with. And he's voiced by Samuel L Jackson Plus there's bewbs in it :awesome:
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    Man, Afro Samurai is the ****! Ninja Ninja has got to be the best character, purely for some of the stuff he comes out with. And he's voiced by Samuel L Jackson Plus there's bewbs in it :awesome:
    Bewbs you say? Samuel L Jackson you say? :sexface: I'm going to have myself a field day :awesome:. I'll watch it ASAP, I'm trying to get through series 1 - 7 of Peep Show, it's so ****ing hilarious you'll enjoy it.
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    (Original post by mc1000)
    Yeah, I agree with you in that Mahler's music is epically more complex than pretty much anything else... scoring such complex music for a thousand people over a duration of 1.5 hours is a fairly impressive achievement, and I'll willingly admit that even Mikael Akerfeldt probably couldn't pull it off :P

    But at the same time, Opeth and Dream Theater etc. are harmonically and texturally sophisticated. I mean, you say you like DT, but you still seem to label them with the clichéd stereotype that they just show off- which, if you listen to the full scope of their work, is simply not true. They also use plenty of nice unorthodox, original chord sequences and time signatures - much like Mahler (that's not to say that their music bears the same level of ingenuity...), which alone differentiates them from standard chart music a lot more than they're differentiated from Mahler. Chart music is intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus 99% of the time, and is almost always in 4-4. Musically, therefore, this is far inferior to the likes of Opeth and Dream Theater who craft varied, dynamically complex 20-minute epics, with plenty of emotion (at least for me anyway). The scope of the music from this respect is therefore far closer to Mahler.

    Also, thematically, something like Opeth is far, far closer to Mahler than it is to chart music - both have themes which are heavily linked to death and despair; and the same is also often true of Dream Theater. Conversely, most chart music revolves around superficial crap, with standard songs being annoyingly catchy, unrealistically happy tunes with irrelevant lyrics; and the most depressing music being a 3-chord acoustic song about unrequited 'love'. *cough*Jamesblunt*cough*. Although Mahler also deals with this, he does it in a sophisticated, philosophical way. Also, Opeth is closer to Mahler in that it actually deals with relevant material (i.e., death and depression); and takes a much more philosophical view on such matters than any chart music would ever be able to.

    But yes, I agree that the complexity and scope of 1000 people performing simultaneously is far greater than what can possibly be achieved with a 5-piece band, even when combined with a backing orchestra. Heh.
    I wasn't saying that Dream Theater 'showed off' - I am just saying that playing in odd time doesn't suddenly make a piece of music deep and complicated. Like I said, I think they do some clever and considered stuff sometimes, like in Dance of Eternity when they take that motif and contract it metrically - effects like that are cool and well thought out but I still stand by and say that after having listened to all of their albums (aside from the last couple) I have yet to hear anything that deep or interesting harmonically - yes, they voice progressions fairly nicely and occaisionally have interesting bass movement but even the keyboardist seems to not realise he is playing a polyphonic instrument. I just think something like Mahler's sixth is on a scale uncomparable to anything DT or Opeth do.

    I don't get the big thing about DT fans and ****ing over odd time sigs either - I mean 99% of what meshuggah do is in 4/4 and the scope of the rythmic ideas is way, way beyond anything DT have done.

    Also, I think people say all chart music is 4/4 three chord trick etc. but I disagree - listen to some of jamiroqui's early stuff, they had a lot of nice jazz progressions with interesting subs and voicings.
 
 
 
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