Should James Holmes (Batman killing) get the death penalty? Watch
You can still be moved emotionally even if your completely disconnected from a situation. Especially when completely innocent children are gunned down for no apparent reason. The same can be said about 9/11. It can still be a tragedy for your fellow man.
I just get uncomfortable when people declare how happy they are that things like this are happening. I think it's completely f***ed up to take pleasure from something that horrific, regardless of who it is happening to.
For some conspiracy type reason, I think they're just doing that to torture him. How often is it someone is killed in prison? If he is, wouldn't that mean the Prison isn't up to standard?
Then they need to change the system, anybody with half a brain knows that if you have a confession, video and witnesses of the crime it should be cheaper to perform the death penalty.
Another example of a country in massive debt (like most of the world) wasting money in unnecessary areas.
Even if there a confession, video and witnesses, often the question of whether the death penalty should be applied concerns the mental state of the defendant and points of law.
There's also a question of when the death penalty should be applied. Often it is dependent on the defendant's race and class and that of his/her victim.
The reason the death penalty cost so much to implement is because of its gravity. As a society, we have decided to punish those who kill. Some US states have decided that the State is exempt from laws against killing. Any decision to break this fundamental belief that killing is wrong has to be heavily considered. While the process isn't perfect in that it is costly and lengthy, with long mental anguish for all involved, it is also isn't perfect in that people who are later found innocent, who were found guilty of crimes despite reasonable doubt and who might not have had the mental capacity (either through mental disability or mental illness) to be wholly guilty of the offence they are charged with are still often-times executed if they satisfy the arbitrary stereotype as people who should be punished.
Public Saftey > Punishment > Rehabilitation
Prison should only be an option for dangerous/violent people i.e Murderers, Paedohpiles who act on their urges, Rapists, Serious Assualy, Attempted Murder, Treason etc... not violent crimes and mildly violent crimes should instead lead to either Military Style Boot Camps, Labour Camps, Community Service or Fines.
The death penalty should be reserved for the worst of the worst i.e Serial Killer, Terrorists, Extreme Torture and the batman killer fits the bill. But I repeat that they should only be executed if it is proven 100% that they commited the crime there shouldn't be executions if there is any doubt what so ever.
The reason the U.S has such a high re offending rate is because US prisons are infested with gangs if you go into a prison you are divided into Colour if your white you have to join a Neo Nazi gang get nazi tattos stab people they tell you too if you try to leave they will kill you. Same goes for Blacks with their gangs if you don't join a gang then you will most likley be bullied, beaten and stolen from that's the reason the re offending rate is so high in the U.S because the prisoners go into a more extreme/violent atmosphere than when they were free. So prisoners should be held in extremley small single cells with one uncomftorble bed no windows, no tv only a radio and some books with 1 hour of exersise a day no talking to other prisoners should be allowed.
To be fair though quite a lot of people were pleased (especially in america) when Bin Laden was killed. Whether that was because they though that would be the end of al quaeda or just for the retribution i dont know.
Stopping prisoners from being beaten up and bullied by other prisoners isn't making jail a nice place. I assumed when you said you were pleased at the suffering you were referring to things like that happening.
They're in prison to be kept away from the public, so that there will be no more harm done either by them or to them. I simply don't think it's right or civilised to trap someone in a living hell, regardless of whether or not they are a criminal. If people insist on taking pleasure from the suffering of prisoners, then they can feel free to get their pleasure from the fact these prisoners are utterly broken and wanting to end their own lives. To then go on and stop them from reaching that end is just taking the cruelty to another level - fortunately that's not the real reason these people are being kept alive.
I meant like offering them homely luxuries like TVs and pets and games consoles, even luxury food budgets for some days of the week like steaks, Its a prison not a holiday camp. Im sure a homeless man would snap your arm off to be in prison with this.
I think the fact that he has done something so heinous negates the idea that, if it was possible to reform him, he should be freed on the principle that he would now be able to contribute to society.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
None of you would actually torture and kill would you? Hypocrites.
currently a long term prison sentence institutionalises prisoners making them more likely to get involved in gangs and violence, prolonging their stay and increasing the chance of re-offending. both costing tax-payers more money
That doesn't justify the execution of a murderer.
What do you think as this question has sparked some debate.
I think yes he most certainly should.
The man is a monster.. he shot a baby and killed a 6 year old and continued to shoot people as they begged for him to stop.. He is evil.
Am interested to hear the arguments for both sides.
Please make sure before you debate on here you are familiar with the case, I don't support the death penalty but after reading reports on this from witnesses about what he did I think he should be killed.
the point of sentencing somebody to prison/community service/etc is rehabilitation. sentencing somebody to death is you saying that they'll never ever be able to contribute positively to society