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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The electorate want referendums on everything and when asked EU membership is repeatedly low on the agenda.
    Really? I disagree with you. Certainly in my experience anyway.
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    That article says just how little people, and MPs themselves, trust the current government :rolleyes:

    Good article though, not that I'm slamming you of course

    But interesting how Cameron said he would call an election after they had won the 2015 election - Right, and how many people trust you David after the shambolic performance you have given us for the last three years?

    Ultimately, the electorate will be asking - why would we vote them in again in 2015, purely on the promise they will give us an election?

    Sorry David, we're not going to vote you in purely because of a promise after the shambles you've gave us :rolleyes:
    I personally believe that UKIP have taken the mantelpiece of the Tories. They are the Conservatives. These Tories are far too wishy washy and internally split
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    I think that misreads by-election sociology a little since they are very much designed to hurt the government and, like it or not, you are seen as the governing party. Why vote for the government party which will simply ignore the UKIP-esque policies when you can vote UKIP who will do nothing but bang on about Europe, gays taking over the world, and Europe.

    Haha, you've got no chance in Edinburgh. I take the point that the Tories do need to gain a momentum in the north but I don't really see where it's coming from. The revisionist project has failed to a very large extent and the Tory share of the vote is declining sharply each time you win an election. I won't go as far to say that Conservatism is dead, that'd be folly, but it is diseased.
    True though with that in mind i'd rather we used by-elections as experiments to see how liberal versus 'conservative' candidates do under our banner.

    Scotland's an interesting place, i think the Tories need to fold because a party of the liberal right has every chance of coming second there but our image was destroyed. Right now it's not coming from anywhere, we have the business friendly policies but no room for anything major and a socially divided party.

    My general message however was that over a period of perhaps two decades a right-liberal party could win in these areas. It's pretty criminal to think that these growing cities are predominantly Labour.
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    (Original post by Dapperatchik)
    I actually think it would be very good politics if Cameron tried to legislate for an EU referendum now, because the LDs / Lab would have to block it. Then Cameron would be able to go into 2015 saying, 'we tried to give you a say on Europe but Millie didn't want you to have one.'

    Of course, I have to add that I don't want an EU referendum. But I think it would be smart politics for Cameron to go along with the backbenchers before they force him to do so.
    If he was to take such a massive step as to vote in the exact opposite way to how he has previously in this parliament he'd have a lot of explaining to do.
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    Really? I disagree with you. Certainly in my experience anyway.
    The polling is well established, even among Ukip voters the EU ranks 3rd or 5th behind immigration and the economy. Essentially people have much more of a problem with foreigners who can't speak English than they do where our laws are made, within the party there may be a different focus but party members tend to be highly political whereas party voters are not.
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    (Original post by Harrow.7)
    I personally believe that UKIP have taken the mantelpiece of the Tories. They are the Conservatives. These Tories are far too wishy washy and internally split
    I agree with you, perhaps with one little thing to input -

    I think given the current state of politics, I think people would rather vote anybody but the Lib / Lab / Con selection. They've all failed us in the past decade, and the electorate is really struggling to opt for better alternatives.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    If he was to take such a massive step as to vote in the exact opposite way to how he has previously in this parliament he'd have a lot of explaining to do.
    http://www.brugesgroup.com/mpwatch/index.live

    I'm not sure how valid that website is but the results are interesting if the case.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    http://www.brugesgroup.com/mpwatch/index.live

    I'm not sure how valid that website is but the results are interesting if the case.
    He's every so slightly eurosceptic. Compared to the Boneites he's practically a Europhile. I was merely pointing out that if this ploy for a EU referendum was to happen it would involve a Prime Minister voting No and Yes to pretty much the same question in the course of one parliament. It is quite clear that Cameron is basing his policy on the rise of UKIP since 2010. Although Cameron's EU Referendum is going to be less direct than the one proposed in 2011.
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    I agree with you, perhaps with one little thing to input -

    I think given the current state of politics, I think people would rather vote anybody but the Lib / Lab / Con selection. They've all failed us in the past decade, and the electorate is really struggling to opt for better alternatives.
    UKIP is no way perfect, but I love them as they steal votes, and possibly the election, of the tories
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    (Original post by Harrow.7)
    UKIP is no way perfect, but I love them as they steal votes, and possibly the election, of the tories
    I think with all due respect, I think people are instead jumping off the Tory boat before the failing party sinks.
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    I think with all due respect, I think people are instead jumping off the Tory boat before the failing party sinks.
    Jumping from the Titanic to the Mary Celeste
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    (Original post by Harrow.7)
    Jumping from the Titanic to the Mary Celeste
    Indeed. Couldn't agree more, in fact...
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    My party will be great.... Booze... Punch ups....sex.... Sorry we're talking about political parties??
    Oh? so yh my party will feature Booze... Punch ups and sex as well as a shiny and tedious manifesto to help raise money for our 'important' policitical causes...
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    I agree with you, perhaps with one little thing to input -

    I think given the current state of politics, I think people would rather vote anybody but the Lib / Lab / Con selection. They've all failed us in the past decade, and the electorate is really struggling to opt for better alternatives.
    If the economy remains crappy, pretty much the opposite is likely to be true (but turnout is going to plummet) according to most scholars. Traditionally, if the economy is tight, people vote for the established parties because they're perceived to be more experienced (even if this is directly counter to assumptions of incompetence). UKIP does not fit under this banner and their most effective orators other than Farage are largely idiots.

    I mean just because academics say it doesn't mean it's true, but I would be surprised if UKIP does well in the General Election. They'll kill everyone in the Europeans, though.
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    UKIP voters are useful idiots for the Labour Party come 2015.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    UKIP voters are useful idiots for the Labour Party come 2015.
    Hence why I love them
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    (Original post by Harrow.7)
    Hence why I love them
    Hey, I notice you're a member of the Socialist Society. Why not join the TSR Socialist Party?
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    If the economy remains crappy, pretty much the opposite is likely to be true (but turnout is going to plummet) according to most scholars. Traditionally, if the economy is tight, people vote for the established parties because they're perceived to be more experienced (even if this is directly counter to assumptions of incompetence). UKIP does not fit under this banner and their most effective orators other than Farage are largely idiots.

    I mean just because academics say it doesn't mean it's true, but I would be surprised if UKIP does well in the General Election. They'll kill everyone in the Europeans, though.
    ...I think I'm starting to like you already

    I was born in 94, so I was raised and educated under the New Labour administration; so I guess it's fair to say that I lack 'economic / political competence'. From what I understand however, even though Thatcher gave the country a good kicking in the '80s, didn't the economy pick up towards the latter end of the '80s, because Thatcher gave the country the kicking it needed to jumpstart the economy?

    I'm asking not because I'm trying to defend Thatcher, but because it's difficult to really know because I haven't lived through anything other than the New Labour administration. People say she destroyed Britain and left it decimated - others think it saved Britain from the catalogue of problems that occurred in the '70s.

    Besides the Falklands that won her the '83 election, was it not for the entrepreneurial and business attitude she encouraged, as well as the computerisation of society the main reason why she was in power for so long? Construction may have dwindled etc. but wasn't computer technicians and the like replacing the same jobs?

    I mean what can we replace jobs with today? Cameron is selling this country off lock stock to pay for the debts - which, ironically, New Labour left us in.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    UKIP voters are useful idiots for the Labour Party come 2015.
    How so? Won't UKIP's traditionally right-wing stance exacerbate Labour's left-wing stance? (although they've got more of a centre ground now?) :confused:
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    How so? Won't UKIP's traditionally right-wing stance exacerbate Labour's left-wing stance? (although they've got more of a centre ground now?) :confused:
    Because UKIP will split the right-wing voters between itself and the Tories.

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