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    (Original post by College_Dropout)
    Would you die if you didnt have any of the above? The question was if you can live off it. I dont think you understand what the question was.
    You wouldnt die, no. However you'd need these things in order to get a job to get off having to claim benefits. Unemployed people in my area are able to use the internet for free for job search in some areas, but this may not be the case elsewhere. How likely is someone going to get a job if theres no way for an employer to get in contact and/or they stink (therefore not making a good impression) due not being able to afford to wash?

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    Ja fo sho! If you lived off basics beans on toast you could easily 'survive'. Better still http://www.lovemoney.com/news/travel...pest-ever-meal. Toast sandwich is 7.5p...
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    Can easily survive on it short term, but there are several reasons why long term would be difficult

    Job search requires travel, which is expensive
    If you walk to save money, then you would need to buy new shoes more often which would be an almost impossible thing to do
    Why would that be "impossible"? You could either save up for a decent pair of heavy-duty shoes that'll last ages (not necessarily ridiculously expensive, I think I bought a pair of walking boots from Aldi once for about £40), or buy really cheap shoes from Primark and the like (some for <£1). Being able to afford shoes is a bit of a feeble argument.
    If any machine in your house breaks down, you're screwed. No money to repair/replace, so you could be stuck with no heating/faulty toilet/etc etc.
    Bear in mind that the vast majority of benefits claimants will be renting, thus stuff like that is the landlord's responsibility.
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    (Original post by gemmam)
    You wouldnt die, no. However you'd need these things in order to get a job to get off having to claim benefits. Unemployed people in my area are able to use the internet for free for job search in some areas, but this may not be the case elsewhere. How likely is someone going to get a job if theres no way for an employer to get in contact and/or they stink (therefore not making a good impression) due not being able to afford to wash?

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    That may be the case, never the less the question is if you can survive off £53.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    The point being, even if this is true (kinda but not really) it isn't incompatible with what I said being true.


    There are studies where the environment is explicitly controlled for, ie. twin studies where genetically identical twins are adopted by families with different incomes. It remains possible that pre-birth environment could have an effect, but that's it. There are also studies that try to correct for this, and still find a large genetic component.


    The full text is linked directly from both pages. Did you even read them before linking the abstracts?

    This is getting tedious. You clearly know very little about the subject, instead seeming to have once read something about it and are desperately clinging on to what little knowledge you have.

    Your initial argument was that people are poor because they are thick and their kids remain poor because they inherit being thick. I've shown this to be absolute nonsense.
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    (Original post by College_Dropout)
    Would you die if you didnt have any of the above? The question was if you can live off it. I dont think you understand what the question was.
    You have to be actively looking for work to get the money to live off. If you can't look for work you can't get the money and then you wouldn't have enough money even just for food and you probably would die, yeah.
    And you could die if you had to walk for hours in the rain to do any food shopping cost effective enough for you to feed yourself for the whole week. Or if you couldn't leave the loo because you were on a period but can't buy sanitary products.
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    I personally could probably live off £53 a week if rent, council tax and utilites were taken care off. I guess its a lifestyle you have to adjust for though, and be partially lucky in circumstances .

    I say I could live off it because, rent etc aside, most of my wages go to food. When I do go I try and bargain hunt where I can; I go for store brand bread for 50p if there are no end of day sales where i can get 10p bread (rather than £1 Hovis) , I buy 20p ish bottles of ketchup (as opposed to £1 Heinz) , 20p Smart price bourbans (rahter than 70p brand ones ) etc. Otherwise spend 15 a month payg on a Samsung Europa which was worth around £50 new a couple months ago (hint : a 600mhz processer and 170mb interal memory isint the greastest android selling experience lol) and £15 on Spotify. If I need clothes I aint too proud to go to Primark or George. For entertainment it isint an xbox ; dont even have a tv. But i do have farmville and a libary lol, And a spotify subscription> £10 for one new CD at HMV

    All of this mentatlity comes from having been a student and knowing I have to budget my money carefully. But if you have never had to ; either because you have just been made unemployed or you just moved away from your rents you may not know how much things really cost till you have too. So if you are used to buying Heinz, Hovis bread and actual Coca-Cola it may well come as a bitter shock and you may well complain to it.

    Bear in mind also I dont have a car to worry about since I have no use for it, and furthermore I dont have expensive habits like betting or smoking which others may have and may find hard to quit. I am also good to live in a city where I can walk to a genrously large enough town centre half an hours walk away, and have some opputinaty to find some retail or hostiptabilty work of some kind, And being a city I have a Tesco, Morrisons , ASDA and Sainsbury's all competiitng with each other to offer low prices. But if I lived in a small village or town, I may have to very well use public transport to find jobs in another village or the closest city, I may have to settle for the prices of the local shop rather than being to walk around price comparing. And strange as it seems, it's perhaps luckly all my uni mates live away , because, although it means im lonley on fri nights, im in no rush to spend any money at the pub or food out, nor am i actually feeling pressured to wheras others may be

    So yeah I think it is doable, but it's defintly somethign you have to accomadate for and perhaps be a bit lucky in
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    5 grams of heroin is about £250
    Sorry, but I'm not really an expert on prices of heroin.
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    (Original post by F257)
    I personally could probably live off £53 a week if rent, council tax and utilites were taken care off. I guess its a lifestyle you have to adjust for though, and be partially lucky in circumstances .

    I say I could live off it because, rent etc aside, most of my wages go to food. When I do go I try and bargain hunt where I can; I go for store brand bread for 50p if there are no end of day sales where i can get 10p bread (rather than £1 Hovis) , I buy 20p ish bottles of ketchup (as opposed to £1 Heinz) , 20p Smart price bourbans (rahter than 70p brand ones ) etc. Otherwise spend 15 a month payg on a Samsung Europa which was worth around £50 new a couple months ago (hint : a 600mhz processer and 170mb interal memory isint the greastest android selling experience lol) and £15 on Spotify. If I need clothes I aint too proud to go to Primark or George. For entertainment it isint an xbox ; dont even have a tv. But i do have farmville and a libary lol, And a spotify subscription> £10 for one new CD at HMV

    All of this mentatlity comes from having been a student and knowing I have to budget my money carefully. But if you have never had to ; either because you have just been made unemployed or you just moved away from your rents you may not know how much things really cost till you have too. So if you are used to buying Heinz, Hovis bread and actual Coca-Cola it may well come as a bitter shock and you may well complain to it.

    Bear in mind also I dont have a car to worry about since I have no use for it, and furthermore I dont have expensive habits like betting or smoking which others may have and may find hard to quit. I am also good to live in a city where I can walk to a genrously large enough town centre half an hours walk away, and have some opputinaty to find some retail or hostiptabilty work of some kind, And being a city I have a Tesco, Morrisons , ASDA and Sainsbury's all competiitng with each other to offer low prices. But if I lived in a small village or town, I may have to very well use public transport to find jobs in another village or the closest city, I may have to settle for the prices of the local shop rather than being to walk around price comparing. And strange as it seems, it's perhaps luckly all my uni mates live away , because, although it means im lonley on fri nights, im in no rush to spend any money at the pub or food out, nor am i actually feeling pressured to wheras others may be

    So yeah I think it is doable, but it's defintly somethign you have to accomadate for and perhaps be a bit lucky in
    The £53 a week does cover utilities, water, gas, phone line etc. most people have other costs to cars, insurance etc.


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    Yes.

    It wouldn't be fun.

    But yes.
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    (Original post by F257)
    and I have some opputinaty to find some retail or hostiptabilty work
    And that's all you'll be getting with spelling like that :ahee::ahee::ahee:


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    (Original post by blue n white army)
    That's what i thought. I worked out a £45 (delivered cos i'm lazy) asda shop lasts me 3 weeks and i need an extra £10ish over those three weeks to get bread and milk. minus delivery, food costs £50ish for three weeks which is around £17 with some luxuries which could be axed.
    Internet works out at £6 a week and i've budgeted bills at £10 a week.

    that leaves £20 a week to play around with buying other semi- essential items.
    wait. You spend £15 a week on food, what do you live on noodles? budgeted bills at £10 a week? what gas/electric company you with i need to change! dont forget your tv license. Were not talking student living here were talking real world..
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    This is getting tedious. You clearly know very little about the subject, instead seeming to have once read something about it and are desperately clinging on to what little knowledge you have.

    Your initial argument was that people are poor because they are thick and their kids remain poor because they inherit being thick. I've shown this to be absolute nonsense.
    IIRC your profile used to say you were a music student at huddersfield. At any rate, if you do have specialist knowledge you won't have any trouble explaining exactly how and why I am wrong.

    Heritability of intelligence is not something you can just idly brush aside because it doesn't justify your preconceived political views - it is both well supported empirically and would naturally lead to class status being partially heritable, which is exactly what we observe.
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    (Original post by Ziggy2252)
    wait. You spend £15 a week on food, what do you live on noodles? budgeted bills at £10 a week? what gas/electric company you with i need to change! dont forget your tv license. Were not talking student living here were talking real world..
    Super markets do 3 for £10 on meat which can easily make 11 meals more if im making it last. Pasta rice and noodles as well as the sauces are cheap cheap cheap. Potatoes are cheap and do a good few meals and theres usually fruit and veg on offer. Bread is £1 a loaf for hovis at the shop round the corner from me. I eat well im never sick and im in great shape fitness wise.

    Bills based on what ive paid already, for gas electric and water come out at £11 ( I share with one other person) basically put a jumper on and be tactical with the heating.

    TV Licence can be ditched straight off if you needed to cut costs. Just watch your programmes on catch up tv (which you dont need a licence for)
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    Well I know the key word here is 'live' so I will write on that.

    One side of my family are very poor and do live off these amounts.
    You can tell...
    My Auntie looks for jobs, but can never go for them as the illness she has compels her to stick to a routine. NHS do not supply the expensive therapy she needs for removing this intense fear and she would need to go private to a specialist in London - we live in Hull. (We have tried to pay for her, but even we cannot afford all the sessions she needs)

    You can tell that she gets a lack of REAL food such as meats/vitamins. We invite her over every Wednesday to feed her but we cannot always feed her
    Her skin is pasty and her hair is thinning. Recently she has gone on iron tablets from the NHS and I hope this will make up for her diet.
    In modern day a mobile is almost expected of people, she is expected to use a phone-box (which is really expensive/impossible).

    Her whole life revolves around money and if she can afford things!
    We tell her this is not right, she says she has it better than people in 3rd world countries.... We say she is in Britain and in comparison to everyone else it isn't right.

    I know this is a special case but it upsets me when people just flippantly says they can live off these things... You can if your life revolves around surviving.
    What space does she have left to strive for a job, social life, to experience culture, to get out there and help the world.
    This is cutting her life expectancy.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    IIRC your profile used to say you were a music student at huddersfield. At any rate, if you do have specialist knowledge you won't have any trouble explaining exactly how and why I am wrong.

    Heritability of intelligence is not something you can just idly brush aside because it doesn't justify your preconceived political views - it is both well supported empirically and would naturally lead to class status being partially heritable, which is exactly what we observe.
    Music student at Huddersfield? Wtf?!?! lol


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    (Original post by British199)
    Weekly costs.
    Gas/Electric: £17
    Mobile: £2.50 (£10.00 O2 top up per month)
    Toiletries: £5
    Cleaning products: £2.50
    Food: £20:00
    Bus cost (For getting groceries back home): £4.00
    Water Bill: £8.00 (Average £32 per month)

    I think I have gone over £53 :eek:
    Can't you walk it?
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Music student at Huddersfield? Wtf?!?! lol


    Clown.
    It's difficult to say your debating style is more than I would expect from a music student at Huddersfield.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    It's difficult to say your debating style is more than I would expect from a music student at Huddersfield.
    You've completely misunderstood the concept of heritability, completely ignored any evidence to the contrary, lied about reading research papers and are now fantasising about me being a music student. Too much!
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    I'd say that a large proportion of students live off of this and less (as long as housing is already paid)

    So yes, can be done quite easliy
 
 
 
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