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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Sounds like she's brainwashed. I read your posts, I'm not refuting them. I'm just stating that in general, FGM is far more severe than male circumcision, and the arguments that can be made to support male circumcision (which I disagree with) can't be made in the same way for FGM. didn't mean for it all to get into such a big argument. Weren't we talking about abortions somewhere before
    I agree, I think she is too, but then I think that applies to victims of MGM too. Especially those from cultures where it's normal. Many FGM victims think it's normal, hell, they take their daughters to get it done! I'm just saying, we shouldn't take the victim's noncholant attitude to think it's okay.

    The thing is, people think they're so different, but like I said, there are so many parallels. I posted a link which explains all of that, and shows the same excuses are made. It's just that MGM also happens in developed countries, and is seen as normal, so of course we are going to think it's less important or not as bad.

    I'm not sure of the specific numbers, but it may be that the less severe types of FGM are more prominant, but we mostly hear about the severe forms.

    Haha, yes, we were! I didn't even wanna get into this conversation about MGM because it rarely ends well, and it's so close to my heart I just get upset. I don't actually like debating, I'm just drawn to it
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    If abortion is murder, then masturbation is genocide.
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    (Original post by LazyBazooka)
    If abortion is murder, then masturbation is genocide.
    And I'm a worse criminal than Hitler

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    Bet you're against people who decide to get euthanasia too then?
    If it's your body, and your choice, there's nothing wrong with it. I am also strongly against the idea of a woman who's accidently got pregnant, but don't really want a kid, yet refuse to have an abortion.
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    I think that abortion should be only allowed if continuing the pregnancy would put the mother's life in real danger.
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    (Original post by igloo1)
    Bet you're against people who decide to get euthanasia too then?
    If it's your body, and your choice, there's nothing wrong with it. I am also strongly against the idea of a woman who's accidently got pregnant, but don't really want a kid, yet refuse to have an abortion.
    When news stories of child abuse at the hands of the parents - like baby P - come up, you always get lots of people saying things like "you should need a license to have children". I wonder if they're the same kind of people who think abortion is murder? It's all well and good to spout opinions but at the end of the day it makes no sense from a practical point of view. If anything abortions ought to be encouraged with people who will make bad parents, not demonized...
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkpIHvMo8zI

    I've always been pro - choice but after watching that, I don't know what to think.

    When does life start?
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    I kind of agree with OP. I am horrified by the idea of abortions, but I can see the need for them and I think that we should keep them safe and legal. We can make a difference by asking why people need abortions in the first place, through addressing issues like teenage pregnancy and attitudes to contraception.
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    (Original post by Tibbs735)
    I kind of agree with OP. I am horrified by the idea of abortions, but I can see the need for them and I think that we should keep them safe and legal. We can make a difference by asking why people need abortions in the first place, through addressing issues like teenage pregnancy and attitudes to contraception.
    Best way to prevent abortion is to prevent pregnancy. Promoting contraception is paramount, teenage pregnancy is only a repercussion of lack of contraception and education (and on occasion, common sense)
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    When news stories of child abuse at the hands of the parents - like baby P - come up, you always get lots of people saying things like "you should need a license to have children". I wonder if they're the same kind of people who think abortion is murder? It's all well and good to spout opinions but at the end of the day it makes no sense from a practical point of view. If anything abortions ought to be encouraged with people who will make bad parents, not demonized...
    See, I don't think there's such a thing as a " bad" parent. As long as they love that child, and always have, and try to do the best for them, i would class that as a good parent. How they go about it may sometimes not be seen as the "best" way, but at least they try?
    And, as for the license thing, it could never happen. What you going to do? Give everyone a test and a robot baby and see if the baby comes back alive after a week? It would never work.
    Bottom line is, you can't MAKE people have abortions because you don't think they are going to be good parents, all you can do is keep an eye out for any signs of mistreated unhappy children.
    I just think it's the moral thing to do - if you don't want a kid, man up and get rid of the little finger-nail sized egg before it's too late.
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    (Original post by Spontogical)

    The main function of sex is pregnancy.

    :/
    Ohh yea, me and the lads are like "uffff Id totaly impregnate her" whenever we see some hot chick or "Man id totaly father her child" or even "oi mate have you still got that number of that hooker you used last week? I feel like raising a baby with her"
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    (Original post by igloo1)
    See, I don't think there's such a thing as a " bad" parent. As long as they love that child, and always have, and try to do the best for them, i would class that as a good parent. How they go about it may sometimes not be seen as the "best" way, but at least they try?
    And, as for the license thing, it could never happen. What you going to do? Give everyone a test and a robot baby and see if the baby comes back alive after a week? It would never work.
    Bottom line is, you can't MAKE people have abortions because you don't think they are going to be good parents, all you can do is keep an eye out for any signs of mistreated unhappy children.
    I just think it's the moral thing to do - if you don't want a kid, man up and get rid of the little finger-nail sized egg before it's too late.
    Agreed, I was just musing on it! And I meant bad parents in that they do things, whether on purpose or inadvertently, to harm their child. Be it smoking around them, abusing them, neglecting them - sadly too many people are guilty of doing so, and social services could be far better at seeing the warning signs.
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Agreed, I was just musing on it! And I meant bad parents in that they do things, whether on purpose or inadvertently, to harm their child. Be it smoking around them, abusing them, neglecting them - sadly too many people are guilty of doing so, and social services could be far better at seeing the warning signs.
    I don't really think smoking is a deal breaker and makes you a bad parent, that's just a bad habit, but i do see what you mean!
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    It always strikes me in the abortion debate that of all the voices making their opinions, none of them are women who have had abortions.

    I've had two. Best decisions of my life. Ask me nicely and I might even give some more details, but I'll be damned if I'm going to try and justify my decisions to some moron on the internet who has no idea what abortion entails emotionally and physically.

    (Now, lets see how many pro-lifers neg me!) :rolleyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkpIHvMo8zI

    Ever thought about those who have been aborted and what they would think about it if they were alive? :rolleyes:
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    People here keep ons saying the child will grow up in said environment.

    1. You underestimate parental feelings
    2. Your view on how a life should be lived can not be a determining factor on whether someone should live or nor. Some may thing a life without loving parents is bad and other may feel a life that indoctrinates you with messed up values is worse so going by the latter person most of you should have been aborted.

    Oh and please do not quote singular cases of child abuse to justify the murder of 44 million per year.

    This is my last post.
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    (Original post by jcarz)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkpIHvMo8zI

    Ever thought about those who have been aborted and what they would think about it if they were alive? :rolleyes:
    So? Before 12 weeks its a bundle of parasitic cells. Not independently alive. The rights of an adult woman come before those of a jelly blobby bundle of cells.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    So you're saying it's wrong to burn balls?
    As long as the balls you're burning aren't testicles I don't care.

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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Sounds like she's brainwashed. I read your posts, I'm not refuting them. I'm just stating that in general, FGM is far more severe than male circumcision, and the arguments that can be made to support male circumcision (which I disagree with) can't be made in the same way for FGM. didn't mean for it all to get into such a big argument. Weren't we talking about abortions somewhere before
    Look, I like feminism but don't EVER justify MGM!

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    (Original post by chappers-94)
    Look, I like feminism but don't EVER justify MGM!

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    If you read my above posts, I didn't justify it, I'm against it.
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    So? Before 12 weeks its a bundle of parasitic cells. Not independently alive. The rights of an adult woman come before those of a jelly blobby bundle of cells.
    So??! What do you mean so? You talk about people that don't express their opinions in the abortion debate. And yet you are unsympathetic to what would be the view of actual abortees themselves if they were alive to express themselves. Total hypocrisy.

    Fetal heart beat starts at 6 weeks.

    Limb movement after 8 weeks

    Life starts at conception, (not before and not after) and many scientists recognise this.

    You never hear the media talk about the Duchess of Cambridge's foetus, or her "bundle of parasitic cells", but her baby and whether it will be a girl or boy. But that's a different issue.
 
 
 
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