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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Steve Jobs. Drop out.

    Alan Sugar. East end cockney.
    Steve Jobs, still went to Uni, doesn't matter if he didn't finished still went. Btw Sugar... we talking about global brands, like Top 100 FTSE/Nasdaq/Dow Jones, big dogs.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    He also doesn't seem to understand that anyone who gets a 2:1 from a 'lesser' uni can quite easily go do a masters at a RG/top uni, it still won't get them past the application filtering stage.
    I didn't know that was case myself to be honest.

    Although you raise another interesting point - does a master's at a RG/top uni then qualify someone as 'elite' (as in above average intelligence) even if they did their undergrad at a lesser uni?
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Steve Jobs, still went to Uni, doesn't matter if he didn't finished still went. Btw Sugar... we talking about global brands, like Top 100 FTSE/Nasdaq/Dow Jones, big dogs.
    Sugar has still been extremely successful, which is why he is worth millions.

    Steve Jobs is still a drop out, that means he doesn't have a strong academic background, and one can argue that the OP is more qualified than him as he finished his degree.
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    (Original post by Pipsico)
    A Levels are not the be-all and end-all measurement of intelligence. They're standardized tests, taken by 16-18 year olds who may or may not know what they want to do in life. Many are too immature and unmotivated.

    I know I was, and my boyfriend too.
    I got decent grades in GCSE's but then completely fell apart at A-Levels. I just didn't have the maturity or discipline to work independently and spent too much time enjoying myself. I got crap A Level marks, but managed to scrap for a uni place at an ex-poly.
    Boyfriend did the same.

    We both ended up maturing at university and really increasing the gears in terms of work. I graduated with a 2.1 and went on to a grad scheme where I have since passed a tough 3 year professional qualification whilst working (so I'm clearly not dumb and haven't cheated the system)

    My boyfriend went on to do a masters at LSE and gained a distinction and was approached to do a PHD, but he rejected it for working life.

    We weren't dumb. Many people who failed A levels aren't dumb. We just matured later.



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    Then you will know what universities are like, I use to do BDM work for a Northumbria University. Try to sell there masters programs to people, to me it was like flogging a dead horse, but entertaining in the sense. I was sitting there inflating peoples egos, telling people with bad university degrees that this would enhance their career prospects. Booking them in for open days, selling them hopes and dreams, just placing bums on seats and stripping them for coin.

    Btw people go back and retake, so many mature students nowadays redo their GCSEs and A-levels in later life. You can cheat the system but you will end up getting caught and end up perhaps with fraud charges, especially when your signing legal declarations. Its good you have done well, but the vast majority in that situation don't. Money is representative of success, big companies pay handsome signing on fees for great grads,
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    (Original post by Nomes89)
    I didn't know that was case myself to be honest.

    Although you raise another interesting point - does a master's at a RG/top uni then qualify someone as 'elite' (as in above average intelligence) even if they did their undergrad at a lesser uni?
    Probably , but I don't think anyone actually cares unless they are total toffs (like sloane).

    At the end of the day, people can dress it however they want. But all people care about after graduating is how you can help them make money, OR how you can help them make money. These corporate companies probably recruit the way they do, because they feel that they are minimising risk by recruiting people that consistently deliver. They look at it as black and white.

    Look at David Beckham, he is an uneducated footballer, yet is up there in society due to his brand.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Sugar has still been extremely successful, which is why he is worth millions.

    Steve Jobs is still a drop out, that means he doesn't have a strong academic background, and one can argue that the OP is more qualified than him as he finished his degree.
    He still needed the decent qualifications to get into university, i.e. a-level equivalent. So does Jenna Jamison and your point being? She has millions.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Jobs are reflective of salary, so many jobs nowadays add the word manager next to it. Still a non decision maker who can't book a table in a restaurant.Having bad A-Levels holds people back 90% of the time. Fine me a CEO of a large corporate company, that doesn't have a strong academic background.
    Oh I know it's all about the salary.
    As for finding a CEO who doesn't have a strong academic background, someone's beaten me to it.


    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Steve Jobs. Drop out.

    Alan Sugar. East end cockney.

    James Caan -dragons den.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Probably , but I don't think anyone actually cares unless they are total toffs (like sloane).

    At the end of the day, people can dress it however they want. But all people care about after graduating is how you can help them make money, OR how you can help them make money. These corporate companies probably recruit the way they do, because they feel that they are minimising risk by recruiting people that consistently deliver. They look at it as black and white.

    Look at David Beckham, he is an uneducated footballer, yet is up there in society due to his brand.
    That is true, but a decision maker won't give you time of day, you should be accounting to this thread. How a decision maker keeps turning down your CV down to bad A-Levels. Don't blame, personally I would confront that person via telephone first of all and give them a piece of my mind. Talk about those big dog companies that have gunned you down, the Directors, have disrespected you by not even wanting to hold a conversation.
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    (Original post by donutaud15)
    Oh I know it's all about the salary.
    As for finding a CEO who doesn't have a strong academic background, someone's beaten me to it.
    James Cann went to Harvard do your research, Jobs went to Uni and Sugar isn't even that big in the context of the financial world. We talking billionaires, a million isn't that big in the context of things.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    He still needed the decent qualifications to get into university, i.e. a-level equivalent. So does Jenna Jamison and your point being? She has millions.
    Yes, but your earlier statement about every CEO having a strong academic background is false.

    Jobs doesn't.

    A CEO that has a strong academic background, is one who has the basics, AL, GCSE, degree. But on top of that are likely to have an MBA from harvard, london business school.

    You can't compare Jenna Jameson to Alan Sugar. Alan Sugar made his money as a respectable businessman and was in direct competition with highly educated CEOs in other companies.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    James Cann went to Harvard do your research, Jobs went to Uni and Sugar isn't even that big in the context of the financial world. We talking billionaires, a million isn't that big in the context of things.
    See my point about Jobs.

    And Sugar's net worth is more than yours. Why are you being *****y and elitest, when you haven't made it like he has? I wont complain if I was worth 700 (or however much) mill mate.

    Besides, the OP is lucky to even get a job right now, let alone be a CEO of a MNC worth millions.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    James Cann went to Harvard do your research, Jobs went to Uni and Sugar isn't even that big in the context of the financial world. We talking billionaires, a million isn't that big in the context of things.

    Haim Saban. $2.9 billion. The Egyptian born billionaire and war survivor, made his billions in television and media. Yet, he never attended college.
    He was told that he wasn't cut out for academic studies.

    John Paul DeJoria is the high school graduate who was once told by his teacher that he “would never succeed at anything.” Today, the founder of Paul Mitchell products and the popular Patrón drink, is worth $4 billion. He too did not attend college.
    David Green. Now worth $4 billion, the founder of Hobby Lobby, admits to feeling uncomfortable in high school. In his memoir, More Than A Hobby, Green calls himself the “kid off to the side.” His work study program in high school is what led him to retail, he says.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldvie...no-to-college/
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    (Original post by donutaud15)
    He was told that he wasn't cut out for academic studies.





    http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldvie...no-to-college/
    Your talking about people born to money, that isn't most people. Your not helping those who are in this situation.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    That is true, but a decision maker won't give you time of day, you should be accounting to this thread. How a decision maker keeps turning down your CV down to bad A-Levels. Don't blame, personally I would confront that person via telephone first of all and give them a piece of my mind. Talk about those big dog companies that have gunned you down, the Directors, have disrespected you by not even wanting to hold a conversation.
    As I wrote earlier.

    If you can't break in due to a 2.2 or whatever, then you have to find a way to forge a good career outside of it.

    Of course bad ALs , 2.2 is not an ideal situation to be in, but you know what, it happens.

    If everyone got A's or 2.1s there will be grade inflation.

    There are plenty of people like the OP who graduated with a 2.2. A friend got one from Durham, he then did a masters at the UoL - didn't help. Eventually with enough perseverance, he finally got the job he wanted. In a lab, as a scientist.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    See my point about Jobs.

    And Sugar's net worth is more than yours. Why are you being *****y and elitest, when you haven't made it like he has? I wont complain if I was worth 700 (or however much) mill mate.

    Besides, the OP is lucky to even get a job right now, let alone be a CEO of a MNC worth millions.

    Yeah, put into a rational context and i totally agree with you. But realistically talk about the rejection before the positives, more failures then those that succeed. Your talking about fairytale endings, tells us about those on payday loans.... - reality. Not the one off wonder stories.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Your talking about people born to money, that isn't most people. Your not helping those who are in this situation.
    I suggest you look at John Paul DeJoria again.

    John Paul Jones DeJoria[2] was born the second son of an Italian immigrant father and a Greek immigrant mother[3] on April 13, 1944[4] in the Echo Park neighborhood of Los Angeles, California. His parents divorced by the time he was two years old, and at nine he began selling Christmas cards and newspapers with his older brother to support his family. He grew up in Atwater Village on Garden Ave and then Revere. He attended Atwater Elementary and John Marshall High School. When his single mother proved unable to support both children, they were sent to an East Los Angeles foster home.[5][6]
    As a youth, DeJoria was a member of a street gang, but decided to change his life after being told by his high school math teacher that he would "never succeed at anything in life". He graduated from high school in 1962 and spent two years in the United States Navy,[5] after which he held a series of jobs ranging from a janitor to an insurance salesman.[7]
    Doesn't sound like he was born to money to me.

    Or David Green for that matter

    In 1970 Green took a $600 loan and started a home business called Greco Products in his garage assembling and selling miniature picture frames, capitalizing on a decorating fad of the time.[2] By August 1972 the business had thrived to such an extent that they were able to open their first store which had 300 square feet of retail space.[3] Sons Mart and Steve started work for the company at the young ages of nine and seven, earning seven cents for every frame they glued together.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Your talking about people born to money, that isn't most people. Your not helping those who are in this situation.
    Honestly, your point is only valid if you plan to climb up the corporate ladder and become a CEO as a worker.

    A lot of these guys who strike it rich normally are self made entrepreneurs. Sugar was that, so was Jobs.

    It is a riskier route, and you need to have a good product which consumers will buy.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Honestly, your point is only valid if you plan to climb up the corporate ladder and become a CEO as a worker.

    A lot of these guys who strike it rich normally are self made entrepreneurs. Sugar was that, so was Jobs.

    It is a riskier route, and you need to have a good product which consumers will buy.
    Yeah, you need to be realistic, if I was hitting 30 soon and didn't have certain things. There would be some serious "physical intervention".
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Fine me a CEO of a large corporate company, that doesn't have a strong academic background.
    Bill gates
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Yeah, put into a rational context and i totally agree with you. But realistically talk about the rejection before the positives, more failures then those that succeed. Your talking about fairytale endings, tells us about those on payday loans.... - reality. Not the one off wonder stories.
    Not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur.

    I always say this. Everytime we argue.

    But at the same time, you can't make such statements when it isn't the case.

    I actually do feel that everyone should aim to get into grad schemes, it's more secure.
 
 
 
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