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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Call me what you want heisenberg



    Don't tell me what to do.

    The fact stands that you don't even know the difference between sunnah and fardh yet you still insist on talking about it.
    So another person can't tell you what to do but Islam, a man made creation, can?
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    (Original post by Prince Dunlop)
    I just read the OP's reply to my comment and I find it quite insulting (on the first page).

    It's one thing to reject my religion, I can live with that but to then insult God and being sarcastic is another. At least have respect for religions and religious people. There is no need to get hostile.
    The act of hostility sends a message that deep down you are not comfortable with your decision. Now, I am sure you are but you are sure you have but you are not going about it the right way.


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    Every single ex-muslim i've talked to is very hostile and just insult muslims/Islam when questioned. It screams insecurity about their chosen belief system to me too!
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    (Original post by h3isenberg)
    So another person can't tell you what to do but Islam, a man made creation, can?
    Islam isn't a man made creation. I don't need a 15/16 y/o telling me to go to sleep.
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Every single ex-muslim i've talked to is very hostile and just insult muslims/Islam when questioned. It screams insecurity about their chosen belief system to me too!
    Maybe OP reaction is a little hostile because you said he is doomed to be punished once he dies.
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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    the shahadah doesn't forbid me to be open-minded and question the veracity of islam, which at first i did for the sake of my faith but which then ended in apostasy. i admit initially it was a hard and depressing transition.

    and okay i wont insult your intellectual ability nor will i ask why you chose to ignore the rest of my argument in previous posts as I no longer care to do so tbh.
    Aren't you in year 11? How is it possible to go from pious to an atheist at the tender age of 15/16?

    I'd really like to know what made you question your faith?
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    (Original post by TSA)
    Maybe OP reaction is a little hostile because you said he is doomed to be punished once he dies.
    If he didn't believe in islam, why would what I say about the day of judgement affect him in any way?
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    If he didn't believe in islam, why would what I say about the day of judgement affect him in any way?
    You chose to say it anyway, so you tell us.

    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    I honestly feel so sorry for OP. Disbelievers (and especially those who were given the privelege to be born into the religion then turned away) get the worst punishment on the day of judgement
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Islam isn't a man made creation. I don't need a 15/16 y/o telling me to go to sleep.
    this supposed 15/16 yo just killed you in a debate that you wanted so i dont think you have a leg to stand on to be condescending

    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Aren't you in year 11? How is it possible to go from pious to an atheist at the tender age of 15/16?

    I'd really like to know what made you question your faith?
    great idea, going through my posts and all.

    how is it impossible, from around 5-13 being a pious muslim then 14-16 losing faith? a lot of ex muslims here seem to lose their faith around that age. i dont see how it changes anything. before you ask i had no cultural and personal problems prior to that, my family has never put me under pressure or stress for the sake of islam, to the point that i disliked being a muslim.

    i questioned my faith simply by considering what if the jews were right or the christians were right or the atheists were right. the first two did not take a lot of contemplating, the last did. the final breaking point was when studying the quran, and the supposed scientific miracles, and concluding that the quran was scientifically incongruous. it wasn't a quick transition, or an easy one. it wasnt one that i wanted, even now.
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    If he didn't believe in islam, why would what I say about the day of judgement affect him in any way?
    If he doesn't believe in Islam why say it to him?
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Every single ex-muslim i've talked to is very hostile and just insult muslims/Islam when questioned. It screams insecurity about their chosen belief system to me too!
    It might have something to do with the fact that you come across as pretty hostile whenever you speak to certain people? It tends to go two ways. Although I try to be as polite as I can be to people whilst debating on this forum
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Every single ex-muslim i've talked to is very hostile and just insult muslims/Islam when questioned. It screams insecurity about their chosen belief system to me too!
    As aforementioned, it's most likely because of the way in which you present yourself to such ex-Muslims. Stating that you feel oh so sorry for them, and that they are "doomed to be punished severely" in the afterlife as you had said on the first page may not affect them significantly, but it is nonetheless a very hostile and unnecessary thing to say.
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    Being honest when it comes to debates I too try to be as patient as possible. It isn't always the case it is both ways for example bullying. I am not claiming the OP was bullying me in anyway, just being rude.
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    The truth is, those of you say that say you reject religion due to its inherent lack of scientific evidence, would continue to reject religion even when such evidence were placed before you today. This is simply because of the lifestyle you choose to lead.
    Of course this claim may be unfounded, but I suppose God ( if He exists) did say this life is a test. And judging from my personal experience, tests aren't designed to be easy.

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    (Original post by arrow900)
    Of course this claim may be unfounded
    Well you haven't supported it in any way and it's merely your own speculation, so it's 100% unfounded.
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    (Original post by Harvey Dent)
    Well you haven't supported it in any way and it's merely your own speculation, so it's 100% unfounded.
    I agree it is 100% unfounded. Regardless, it is false for some and true for others. I suppose some self reflection will reveal the answer.

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    I'm also an ex Muslim who's now atheist, but if I'm really honest, I don't think I was ever really a Muslim. I was born into it, yes, and I made all the motions and pretended to be a good, practicing Muslim to keep my family happy for about 20 years. But I also lived a double life since about the age of 10 or 11...

    I am not Muslim because Islam is an oppressive religion which doesn't allow women any freedoms to think or act for themselves. Women are treated like and seen as possessions, objects which men control and who must obey their owners...that makes them no better than dogs or pets or a piece of furniture in the eyes of Islam...

    Women are also not allowed to wear what they want because it will corrupt the men around them...yet no one ever blames the men who are staring...

    Rape is also condoned because women have to drop what they're doing and go attend to their husbands needs, even if they don't want to...

    Education is also frowned upon because it makes women too free thinking and gives them ideas that makes them difficult to control...

    Restrictions on women are such that even plucking your eyebrows isn't allowed either...

    The worst part for me is the fact that the quran condones violence, in the home, against non Muslims...and before anyone is quick to jump on all this and say its about how you interpret the Quran, if Islam were a religion that allowed people to make their own minds up about their lives and how they live it, it wouldn't be Islam...because the very word Islam is derived from the root meaning to surrender, submit or obey...

    I really don't mean to offend anyone who is muslim and does believe in all this, but those are my opinions and what i have learned having read the Quran, the hadith's and attended classes to try and understand the religion better.

    My parents and family are Muslim and do not agree with my decisions but that's their problem and the fact they've chosen not to accept their child no matter who they are or how they think, like parents and family should, they've shunned it and essentially cast me out which just reiterates my point about how Islam is not an open or accepting or tolerant religion.
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    a few people I know are scared of leaving islam, how did you actually do it?
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    (Original post by jelley)
    I'm also an ex Muslim who's now atheist, but if I'm really honest, I don't think I was ever really a Muslim. I was born into it, yes, and I made all the motions and pretended to be a good, practicing Muslim to keep my family happy for about 20 years. But I also lived a double life since about the age of 10 or 11...

    I am not Muslim because Islam is an oppressive religion which doesn't allow women any freedoms to think or act for themselves. Women are treated like and seen as possessions, objects which men control and who must obey their owners...that makes them no better than dogs or pets or a piece of furniture in the eyes of Islam...

    Women are also not allowed to wear what they want because it will corrupt the men around them...yet no one ever blames the men who are staring...

    Rape is also condoned because women have to drop what they're doing and go attend to their husbands needs, even if they don't want to...

    Education is also frowned upon because it makes women too free thinking and gives them ideas that makes them difficult to control...

    Restrictions on women are such that even plucking your eyebrows isn't allowed either...

    The worst part for me is the fact that the quran condones violence, in the home, against non Muslims...and before anyone is quick to jump on all this and say its about how you interpret the Quran, if Islam were a religion that allowed people to make their own minds up about their lives and how they live it, it wouldn't be Islam...because the very word Islam is derived from the root meaning to surrender, submit or obey...

    I really don't mean to offend anyone who is muslim and does believe in all this, but those are my opinions and what i have learned having read the Quran, the hadith's and attended classes to try and understand the religion better.

    My parents and family are Muslim and do not agree with my decisions but that's their problem and the fact they've chosen not to accept their child no matter who they are or how they think, like parents and family should, they've shunned it and essentially cast me out which just reiterates my point about how Islam is not an open or accepting or tolerant religion.
    Islam, itself is not oppressive (seriously I studied this for a long time), it is the culture that surrounds islam. Men automatically believe that they have rights over women and such and I agree with you on the whole 'nobody blames the men that stare' thing because everyone just assumes that women should dress accordingly so nobody looks at them which is completely dumb.

    People seriously need to stop using religion as a tool of oppression.
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    (Original post by jelley)

    I am not Muslim because Islam is an oppressive religion which doesn't allow women any freedoms to think or act for themselves. Women are treated like and seen as possessions, objects which men control and who must obey their owners...that makes them no better than dogs or pets or a piece of furniture in the eyes of Islam...

    Women are also not allowed to wear what they want because it will corrupt the men around them...yet no one ever blames the men who are staring...

    Rape is also condoned because women have to drop what they're doing and go attend to their husbands needs, even if they don't want to...

    Education is also frowned upon because it makes women too free thinking and gives them ideas that makes them difficult to control...

    Restrictions on women are such that even plucking your eyebrows isn't allowed either...

    The worst part for me is the fact that the quran condones violence, in the home, against non Muslims...and before anyone is quick to jump on all this and say its about how you interpret the Quran, if Islam were a religion that allowed people to make their own minds up about their lives and how they live it, it wouldn't be Islam...because the very word Islam is derived from the root meaning to surrender, submit or obey...

    I really don't mean to offend anyone who is muslim and does believe in all this, but those are my opinions and what i have learned having read the Quran, the hadith's and attended classes to try and understand the religion better.

    My parents and family are Muslim and do not agree with my decisions but that's their problem and the fact they've chosen not to accept their child no matter who they are or how they think, like parents and family should, they've shunned it and essentially cast me out which just reiterates my point about how Islam is not an open or accepting or tolerant religion.
    Islam is honestly not an oppressive religion and if you've left it because of that then it's a very silly mistake you made. When compared with the 'free and open' western culture, it's obviously going to come across as a little restrictive but women of Islam are a put on a high pedalstal and we've got so many rights which you may not be aware considering this post (e.g. Education is NOT frowned upon, thats a cultural thing. Women are actually encouraged to be as successful as they can which is why many muslim women see Khadijah (r.a) as a role model because of how successful she was in her career).

    Also, Islam doesn't condone violence against non-muslims. There are hadiths which show how merciful the prophet (saw) was when the non-muslims treated him in unthinkable ways. Just because the Qur'an says its not a sin to be violent in self defence during WAR (emphasis on war), ignorant people automatically assume islam is a violent religion.


    Btw, when you say nobody puts blame on men, what do you mean? Just because not many people in society put the blame on men for staring, doesn't mean those men aren't getting sinned. Men are told to 'lower their gaze' many times in the Qur'an and by staring at women in lustful ways, their sins mount up. Again, don't confuse today's society with what Islam teaches
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    (Original post by maryamzahid)
    Islam, itself is not oppressive (seriously I studied this for a long time), it is the culture that surrounds islam.

    People seriously need to stop using religion as a tool of oppression.
    Preach gurl. PRSOM
 
 
 
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