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    Yes the UK should adopt a policy to prevent a Muslim-majority
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    No the UK should not adopt a policy to prevent a Muslim-majority
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    You guys are so stressed about being taken over because that's what you did to a number of countries (e.g australia) Paranoia
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Bosnian Serb leader in the early 1990s. Claimed that Bosnia seceding from Yugoslavia would result in Bosnia sooner or later becoming an Islamic state governed by Sharia law, because ~45% of Bosnia's population was Muslim at the time. When Bosnian seceded, Karadzic and co began carving out their own Serb mini-state, triggering the Bosnian War and all its horrors.
    Ha. Fair enough.

    One important detail though is that i don't actually think Britain will become 50% Muslim, this is purely in the context of hypothetical scenario.
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    (Original post by SophiaLDN)
    You guys are so stressed about being taken over because that's what you did to a number of countries (e.g australia) Paranoia
    That's nothing to do with it really and those people were primitives and few in number.

    I actually consider it a great mistake that we did not create the kind of Imperial Federation that was proposed by leading politicians as late as the 1920's. I'd happily reunify with Australia.
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    (Original post by SophiaLDN)
    You guys are so stressed about being taken over because that's what you did to a number of countries (e.g australia) Paranoia
    I don't think most British people are particularly aware that we have anything to be guilty about in relation to Australia. This is more because people tend to dislike change.
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    (Original post by SophiaLDN)
    You guys are so stressed about being taken over because that's what you did to a number of countries (e.g australia) Paranoia
    Not really. I just would rather not live in a religious theocracy of any kind. I'm not even happy about the church of England being built into the framework of this country's state. I'm also the first to lambast imperialism of any kind.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Not really. I just would rather not live in a religious theocracy of any kind. I'm not even happy about the church of England being built into the framework of this country's state. I'm also the first to lambast imperialism of any kind.
    You do realise this country's foundation originates from Christianity. THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY duh...

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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Bosnian Serb leader in the early 1990s. Claimed that Bosnia seceding from Yugoslavia would result in Bosnia sooner or later becoming an Islamic state governed by Sharia law, because ~45% of Bosnia's population was Muslim at the time. When Bosnian seceded, Karadzic and co began carving out their own Serb mini-state, triggering the Bosnian War and all its horrors.
    Incredibly ahistorical view of the Bosnian war. It was far more about ethnic tensions and the resultant loss of Serbian hegemony after Yugoslavia. Croats suffered maniacally too at the behest of Srpska. Your point isn't furthered by coincedental hyperbole.

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    Yes. We should. I don't think Muslims belong in Europe till there's a fin de siecle of the current doctrinal view of Islam which has only became more literal (beginning with the Umayyud dispossestion of the Ummah) - "moderate muslims" merely work to give haste to further injustice as it results in a lack of reasoned debate on Islam and its practices. Either the moderates form a independent body in Europe and ostracise the rest of the Ummah (as the rest largely are "radical" ) or they accept they're not adhering to the tenets of Islam in accordance of literalism (which the quaran demands) and abnegate membership based on cultural atavisms.

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    (Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
    Incredibly ahistorical view of the Bosnian war. It was far more about ethnic tensions and the resultant loss of Serbian hegemony after Yugoslavia. Croats suffered maniacally too at the behest of Srpska. Your point isn't furthered by coincedental hyperbole.

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    I know it was very simplistic. I didn't have the time to write (and I expect Rakas didn't have the time or patience to read) a fully detailed account of the Bosnian War just for the sake of an analogy.

    Do you disagree that Bosnian Serb leaders like Karadzic scaremongered about the idea of Bosnian Muslims creating an Islamic state in an independent Bosnia in order to win themselves support?
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    I know it was very simplistic. I didn't have the time to write (and I expect Rakas didn't have the time or patience to read) a fully detailed account of the Bosnian War just for the sake of an analogy.

    Do you disagree that Bosnian Serb leaders like Karadzic scaremongered about the idea of Bosnian Muslims creating an Islamic state in an independent Bosnia in order to win themselves support?
    I don't. But there's a large chasm between politicising views for demagougery and holding a view with related elements based on rational response. You can be against abortion and not bomb clinics.

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    (Original post by elhm1800)
    You do realise this country's foundation originates from Christianity. THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY duh...

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    Ye and I'm not happy about it. I'm not a christian.

    This country is a bit of a special case though. Rather than have any rigid rules underpinning society we have kind made it up as we go along. Whilst we are not technically a secular country we act much more secular than most other countries.

    America on the other hand is technically very secular but has Christianity infecting the very framework of how that country operates.
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    (Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
    I don't. But there's a large chasm between politicising views for demagougery and holding a view with related elements based on rational response. You can be against abortion and not bomb clinics.

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    True, but in this situation the chain of reasoning is similar - that a Muslim majority population will inevitably mean an Islamic state with Sharia law, and so to prevent this, Muslims must be forcibly removed from the area in question.

    There is of course a difference in scale. Republika Srpska of course did a lot more than just forcibly deport the Muslims within their territory, but even if that had been all they'd done, it would still have been an act of ethnic cleansing.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Evidence?
    It seemed obvious to me, but anyway:

    According to the Age Structure part of this Wikipedia article, the total live births of all years in the 1990s was 7,492,458 - which obviously is not a majority, and that's ignoring the fact that, sadly, some of those 7 1/2 million died early: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...#Age_structure
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    I agree with this in part. The fact that only 1 in 5 schools in the UK can do nativitys at Christmas because 'it may offend other religions', I understand it may offend them but that's the religion of the country they have moved to? Christianity is the religion of the UK, I don't think it'll happen any time soon but if it were to become a situation I think we should.
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    (Original post by The Socktor)
    It seemed obvious to me, but anyway:

    According to the Age Structure part of this Wikipedia article, the total live births of all years in the 1990s was 7,492,458 - which obviously is not a majority, and that's ignoring the fact that, sadly, some of those 7 1/2 million died early: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...#Age_structure
    Must of misinterpreted you. I thought you were suggesting that white births made up less than 50% of live births in the 90's.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    Less than 5% of the UK is Muslim. I'm not a Maths graduate but that doesn't look very close to a majority to me.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    True, but in this situation the chain of reasoning is similar - that a Muslim majority population will inevitably mean an Islamic state with Sharia law, and so to prevent this, Muslims must be forcibly removed from the area in question.

    There is of course a difference in scale. Republika Srpska of course did a lot more than just forcibly deport the Muslims within their territory, but even if that had been all they'd done, it would still have been an act of ethnic cleansing.
    It's a far more variational bedlam than what you paint. Bosnians are endemic to Bosnia for one; Muslim diaspora in the rest of Europe is not. Bosnians are a large multitude of very syncretic orthodox and Sunni thought, as opposed to the rest. Bosnians have a political structure of bilateral consideration due to the large Christian population. Culturally aren't homogoneized to the Arabization that other Islamic countries have etc etc. If you look at the diaspora I Europe and other countries par Bosnia (look at Albania, that certainly isn't a paragon of close proximity Muslim tolerance and it's only the second "Muslim" nation of two in Europe) it results in sectarianism and institutionally illiberal edicts. Dhimmi status. Jizya. Re-possession of churches. Enforced suzerainty of minorities.

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    (Original post by The Socktor)
    Lol at that video's comments. YouTube hate hate crowd at its finest.
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    And may Allah grant us this.

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    (Original post by Aleon)
    It's fact, that at current rates of migration and birth rates, the UK will cease to be majority white in 2030, and become Muslim majority in 2050, there are already many towns around the UK and in boroughs of London where this is happening.

    The left always bleat on about protecting cultures and promoting diversity, but they are not, they are making every country look like every other country. It's like paint pots, you can have a variety of different colours, across the world, or mix them all together into one sludgy colour and pour them all into pots and then say, oh look how diverse they are, every pot has this same mix.

    Islam is taking over, they dominate the middle east, asia and north africa, they are now branching out into Europe, North America.

    Beautiful countries like Sweden, are getting completely subsumed, there is no swedish culture, just a multi culture, just like British culture is dying and being replaced by the same multi culti.
    First of all, I'm not one of those people who think immigration=racism my, but I do find this unpalatably islamophobic.

    I'd like to know where you got that statistic that the UK will become a Muslim majority country in 2050 - I mean give the link not just some anecdote. Because, according to the office of national statistics, of the top 10 countries for UK immigration only one of them (Pakistan) have a Muslim majority population. What's more since Muslims currently only make up 5% of the population, even if they went to 30% of the population that would be an additional 20 million or so Muslims - unless you can give me a link I don't see where they are coming from.

    Second of all, you say how Islam is branching out from the Middle-East and North Africa (pretty sure, Asia is Hindu/Buddhist majority by the way but correct me if I'm wrong). But there is not some general agenda that Muslim's have to take over the world. Yes, there are verses in yeah Koran which say how they should spread the Islamic faith but that does not mean that all Muslims follow or believe this - many are liberal (and certainly the one's coming from the top 10 countries immigrating to the UK). For example, the bible also has passages telling Christians to spread the faith such as when Jesus says "Go and make disciples of all nations" (Mark I think) yet you do not see talk of some Christian plan to take over Africa or Asia which are the two largest growing continents for Chistianity.

    Finally, I do not agree with sharia law, but could we not put in place laws to prevent human rights violations from whatever religion? Indeed, are these not already in place due to the European court of Human rights? There just seems no reason to specifically make such an anti Islamic law.
 
 
 
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