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    Good post.

    It can be so easy to see any failure as catastrophic and the end of the world and it obviously pays to rationalise them and fully leverage the highlights of a situation that may not have overall been successful e.g. you had mentioned some situations from your degree experience where you acted smartly and were good experience.

    For different reasons I have fallen into the trap of thinking I have screwed everything up and wont be able to recover but the fact is that there are always plenty more chances to turn things around and further opportunities that crop up that you can capitalise on.
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    Really well done, I am myself going for a Business and Management course (sandwich) so we will see how it goes!
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    Hi There, good to know your past bcoz it was the same mine. but the pay part i'm way too low than your's.
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    (Original post by neverlosehope)
    Hi All,

    This post is going to be part informative, part humble brag, partly me getting something off of my chest that I have NEVER told anyone, but mostly me showing you that there's always hope.

    I went to a very mediocre university, I studied computing with business, I passed the first year and got all 50% grades, I passed the second year with grades from 40% to 60%. I failed the final year, I handed in no coursework, I missed all of the exams and I only wrote 320 words of my planned 10,000 word dissertation.

    Fast forward 4 years and I'm a manager at a very well known business consultancy firm earning £77,000 per year (excluding bonus which is up to 20%).

    How did I do this? Experience and confidence.

    When I was in my third, I took a year out to do a placement. The placement was with a very well known management consultancy. At the time, I was predicted to get a 3rd and they required a predicted 2:1. I got my tutor to write me an awesome letter of recommendation and I was very confident in my interviews plus I had done a significant amount of research and preparation before the 4 round interview process.

    I was incredibly excited when I got the placement offer. The experience I gained in that one year set me up for life.

    When I failed me degree (saw it coming a long way off), I became depressed, I could no longer take the job offer from the management consultancy as they required a 2:1. Luckily for me, I'd picked up some wicked software development skills over the previous few years, I used my experience at the management consultancy plus my software development skills to get myself a 30k job straight after failing my degree.

    During the interview, my failed degree was never talked about even though I had is listed on my CV. It was listed as a Diploma of Higher Education (that's what you get when you only pass two years of your degree).

    After being at this job for 2 years. I looked for a higher paying job and got a 46k offer at another software company. Again, they did not questions my education. They only cared about my experience.

    Rinse and repeat this process until the current day. I applied for a managers job at a very well known consultancy. They accepted me based on my experience. This was also the first time my education was ever questioned. I explained that I did not complete my degree for various reasons (I did not lie). They mainly cared about my experience and what I could bring to the clients I would be working with.

    I'm now a manager earning 77k.

    It's funny when I look at other people from my Uni who actually got their degree. Most of them are still far more junior than me and earning a lot less than me.

    This is the first time I have ever told anyone about failing my degree. Even my girlfriend (recently broken up) and parents don't know.

    This is not supposed to be a 100% brag. It's supposed to be showing you that no matter how ****ed you are right now, you can recover if you are smart about it. Don't seek advice from the average person, that person can only give you average advice.

    One more thing, I've been in debt (over 4k) twice and both times managed to pay it off (long before earning a good salary) but that's a story for another day.

    I have never lied, I have never cheated, I am a smart guy and I'm actually very good at what I do (which is why I get paid well). My experience speaks for itself and my education has been explained to my employer (and countless recruiters). Experience and ability trump everything (well, most things).

    Don't lose hope and.... ask me anything...

    (please excuse any typos, I typed this on a tablet).
    Your experience is irrelevant to people going after jobs that need degrees (see engineering, medicine, nursing, etc).
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    Your experience is irrelevant to people going after jobs that need degrees (see engineering, medicine, nursing, etc).
    That is besides the point.
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    (Original post by anonwinner)
    I hate stories like this. You're basically encouraging students to not work as hard as they can because it will all work out for them anyway. You are a VERY lucky person, you're not 'smart' (like you describe yourself) if you went to a bad uni and still failed all your uni work, you're simply lucky. 99% of people who were in your situation would have ended up with a terrible job.
    But he succeeded. That's what matters. Please take your pretentious attitude out of the door with you. You may have your degree but he has a job. You can't feed your family a piece of paper. He's a very smart person to use his computer skills in software to get to where he is. It's not a matter of luck.
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    OP registered to make this thread, posted almost entirely in it and then disappeared 2 weeks later.

    A great story but perhaps questionable on the authenticity.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    OP registered to make this thread, posted almost entirely in it and then disappeared 2 weeks later.

    A great story but perhaps questionable on the authenticity.
    It's not unheard of for people to be successful like this. It's a sad thing that hundreds of thousands of young people each year are herded into university being told that is the only way they'll ever be successful. The sad reality is that half will probably succeed and the rest have wasted 3 years time with no real skill development and have lost 3 years of potential earnings. I nearly ended up in that predicament too but the one thing that spared me was funnily enough surgery. I was going to go to university last year but I had surgery. I deferred to this year. Do you want to know what it gave me time to do. It gave me time to think. I recently pulled my unconditional offer to go to university. Why? Because I realised that it was a trap and not worth my time. People need to realise that there are perfectly suitable alternatives. My alternative is a cadetship programme to get into the Merchant Navy. When I finish my sponsorship and get working, I'll start out at anywhere between 25-30K at junior level as a 3rd officer. Within 10 years, I can make captain of a vessel and earn nearly 100K a year. If I want to settle down at that point into a management role, I can very easily do so after that. That's just ONE example. My friend is another example. He was going to go to Nottingham Trent university to study Environmental Sciences but he ended up having a heart attack. He didn't go back to university. He ended up getting an apprenticeship at a pharmacy that he has the possibility of working up to become a manager of the pharmacy at the hospital. University is a farce. The one good thing I can commend it for is drawing the herd away from lucrative supposedly "lowly" alternatives that are below them. Keep the herd studying useless soft degrees whilst the smart ones are snapping on rich opportunities lying right in front of the herd.
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    There's a bit of a difference between deciding not to go to university and going to university for 4 years and just failing to get a certificate out of it.

    The latter is much more likely to find it difficult to secure work, especially if they haven't done an industrial placement year.

    The circumstances and success this individual has encountered are rare. Although a degree is not the only way to succeed, making up for clear past failures will be much more difficult than making a sensible decision like deciding not to go to university and carving out a career in the 4 years someone else spent failing to complete a degree.


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    (Original post by marco14196)
    But he succeeded. That's what matters. Please take your pretentious attitude out of the door with you. You may have your degree but he has a job. You can't feed your family a piece of paper. He's a very smart person to use his computer skills in software to get to where he is. It's not a matter of luck.
    I don't think you understand what I'm saying... Please reread my comment, and if you still don't understand then go back to primary school
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    (Original post by neverlosehope)
    Hi All,

    Words....

    (please excuse any typos, I typed this on a tablet).
    This is kind of a **** post, I get you are successful and all that but to comment on how people who worked harder than you are still more junior than you is just a pure **** move. Sure maybe that isn't how it was intended but the majority of people who drop out of university can work just as hard as you and not get anywhere.

    You were lucky, and there are a number of people who did go to uni that went on a more worthwhile course that did better than you

    From a student on results day finding out whether he is about to go to Uni
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    (Original post by marco14196)
    It's not unheard of for people to be successful like this. It's a sad thing that hundreds of thousands of young people each year are herded into university being told that is the only way they'll ever be successful. The sad reality is that half will probably succeed and the rest have wasted 3 years time with no real skill development and have lost 3 years of potential earnings. I nearly ended up in that predicament too but the one thing that spared me was funnily enough surgery. I was going to go to university last year but I had surgery. I deferred to this year. Do you want to know what it gave me time to do. It gave me time to think. I recently pulled my unconditional offer to go to university. Why? Because I realised that it was a trap and not worth my time. People need to realise that there are perfectly suitable alternatives. My alternative is a cadetship programme to get into the Merchant Navy. When I finish my sponsorship and get working, I'll start out at anywhere between 25-30K at junior level as a 3rd officer. Within 10 years, I can make captain of a vessel and earn nearly 100K a year. If I want to settle down at that point into a management role, I can very easily do so after that. That's just ONE example. My friend is another example. He was going to go to Nottingham Trent university to study Environmental Sciences but he ended up having a heart attack. He didn't go back to university. He ended up getting an apprenticeship at a pharmacy that he has the possibility of working up to become a manager of the pharmacy at the hospital. University is a farce. The one good thing I can commend it for is drawing the herd away from lucrative supposedly "lowly" alternatives that are below them. Keep the herd studying useless soft degrees whilst the smart ones are snapping on rich opportunities lying right in front of the herd.
    That's all well and good but only one cadet can become the ship captain and only one apprentice can become manager of the pharmacy. You are part of a herd which has been corralled in a different way: enticed by promises that are likely never to come true for you. I expect your friend in particular may be overlooked in favour of wet behind the ears pharmacy graduates. OK experience and uniqueness and debt freedom may well be worth more than a degree (or may not) but it's not as if all the people going to uni are stupid and you've found some amazing life hack.
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    You didn't work hard. You got lucky. End of story.


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    I have one question, how did you get experience to get on the ladder? Was it the placement? What if you passed your degree, but it's not in a field you want? Guess that was 3 questions
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    I'm really glad I found something like this.
    Today I failed to submit anything for the resubmission of my dissertation (which I only handed in 2,000 words the first time around)
    and keep swaying between feeling absolutely awful and absoluely ok.
    I don't really know why I didn't just try a bit harder, I'm not stupid and probably could have passed it if I put the time in....It would be capped at a D anyway as a resubmission! I passed both other elements of my final year with 2 C's so overall could have got an ok grade. I've been scraping passes since day 1 (I studied Fashion in London at a fairly decent uni, with ridiculously high fees which I dread paying back - about 55,000 for a degree I didn't even get!) but during the three years there, instead of attending class or studying I have been interning at magazines in London and New York (and working in bars/as an au-pair/whatever I can do to get by as my mum in scotland is poor and unable to support me) and straight out of uni managed to get a job in the field I wanted which is why I didn't have much time to work on my dissertation and didn't hand anything in. Unfortunately I've not been anywhere near as lucky as you with my salary, but I hope that will come someday.
    London is crazy expensive and the future worries me a little - I have so much money to pay back to student loans for basically nothing and I am in a little debt just now with two overdrafts. But I think it will all be ok!

    I believe that a degree does not define you or open up any doors for you....we do that ourselves! It's necessary if you want to be a doctor or lawyer and such but in mine, and your case - not so!

    (I'm kind of writing this to make myself feel better about it and like you say to get it off my chest a bit....I live with my boyfriend so he knows I didn't hand anything in today....but I don't want to tell my mum! I'm going away this weekend with friends and I know they will all ask about it and I just don't really want to justify it to them/ them to feel sorry for me/ me to start thinking I should have tried harder to submit etc...)

    Anyway, sorry to ramble and thanks for the encouragement! I'm aiming high! **** Uni!
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    In the field of IT, experience is king. If I hadn't done computer science, I'd be a lead/senior developer by now or a contractor. But then again, I'll be there next year.

    To anyone else in a similar field, if you have the degree but you're **** at coding/networks/databases/servers/devops or whatever you're specialising in, then you're screwed. Vice versa, you're sorted - so long as you can prove it (GitHub, open source contributions, portfolio, freelancing, contracts, work experience etc).

    We're currently recruiting junior developers, don't really care about their educational background. If they're familiar with AngularJS, Node.js, MVC frameworks (LAMP) and can pass a couple of tests, they'll get interviewed.
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    (Original post by neverlosehope)
    Hi All,

    This post is going to be part informative, part humble brag, partly me getting something off of my chest that I have NEVER told anyone, but mostly me showing you that there's always hope.

    I went to a very mediocre university, I studied computing with business, I passed the first year and got all 50% grades, I passed the second year with grades from 40% to 60%. I failed the final year, I handed in no coursework, I missed all of the exams and I only wrote 320 words of my planned 10,000 word dissertation.

    Fast forward 4 years and I'm a manager at a very well known business consultancy firm earning £77,000 per year (excluding bonus which is up to 20%).

    How did I do this? Experience and confidence.

    When I was in my third, I took a year out to do a placement. The placement was with a very well known management consultancy. At the time, I was predicted to get a 3rd and they required a predicted 2:1. I got my tutor to write me an awesome letter of recommendation and I was very confident in my interviews plus I had done a significant amount of research and preparation before the 4 round interview process.

    I was incredibly excited when I got the placement offer. The experience I gained in that one year set me up for life.

    When I failed me degree (saw it coming a long way off), I became depressed, I could no longer take the job offer from the management consultancy as they required a 2:1. Luckily for me, I'd picked up some wicked software development skills over the previous few years, I used my experience at the management consultancy plus my software development skills to get myself a 30k job straight after failing my degree.

    During the interview, my failed degree was never talked about even though I had is listed on my CV. It was listed as a Diploma of Higher Education (that's what you get when you only pass two years of your degree).

    After being at this job for 2 years. I looked for a higher paying job and got a 46k offer at another software company. Again, they did not questions my education. They only cared about my experience.

    Rinse and repeat this process until the current day. I applied for a managers job at a very well known consultancy. They accepted me based on my experience. This was also the first time my education was ever questioned. I explained that I did not complete my degree for various reasons (I did not lie). They mainly cared about my experience and what I could bring to the clients I would be working with.

    I'm now a manager earning 77k.

    It's funny when I look at other people from my Uni who actually got their degree. Most of them are still far more junior than me and earning a lot less than me.

    This is the first time I have ever told anyone about failing my degree. Even my girlfriend (recently broken up) and parents don't know.

    This is not supposed to be a 100% brag. It's supposed to be showing you that no matter how ****ed you are right now, you can recover if you are smart about it. Don't seek advice from the average person, that person can only give you average advice.

    One more thing, I've been in debt (over 4k) twice and both times managed to pay it off (long before earning a good salary) but that's a story for another day.

    I have never lied, I have never cheated, I am a smart guy and I'm actually very good at what I do (which is why I get paid well). My experience speaks for itself and my education has been explained to my employer (and countless recruiters). Experience and ability trump everything (well, most things).

    Don't lose hope and.... ask me anything...

    (please excuse any typos, I typed this on a tablet).
    I live in India, i passed my 12th with low grade, so i had to opt for diploma cource in mechanical engineering in which i failed for 2 years. Will any company give me job after i complete bachelor degree in engineering. I am worried that will any company give me job with this 2-3 year gap in education, will I earn good ?..... Now i am 21 and will finish my degree by 24-25 age. I am so worried that I cannot even eat my meals properly due to this feeling. Please help
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    I could tell a similar story but I earn a lot more than 77k. But the point of the story is the same. I could have given up long time Ago. But I never lost hope and kept the faith in myself that I would make it and now I have. You cannot lose that belief in yourself. Very important moral. I had everyone looking down on me, family friends everyone I knew. Now I sooooo love posting pictures of myself in first class on Facebook. It makes me so happy knowing those same ******s are looking at them pictures. Especially when my kids are also with me! I know it's not nice but if you went through what I did you'd probably take some satisfaction the way I do.
 
 
 
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