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    (Original post by HigherMinion)
    Oy vey. I like your emotional argument.
    Mass murder has that effect if you are not a sociopath. Farage is more like Mussolini than Hitler though, hes more clownish.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Mass murder has that effect if you are not a sociopath. Farage is more like Mussolini than Hitler though, hes more clownish.
    What do you believe UKIP want to do that is anything like fascism or national socialism?
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    I hope UKIP win this election. UKIP is the only party that can save us from this mess. Nigel Farage will probably make the best Prime Minister we have had in recent decades. All their policies make sense and are positively revolutionising. NHS will remain, free approved university courses, no more useless and damaging immigrants, extremists will be made to leave the country, less vehicles on the roads so less pollution, less pressure on housing, schools, transport, healthcare and less competition for jobs. Only UKIP can save this country!!!
    You do realise that less competition is a bad thing?

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    (Original post by jamespaine)
    You do realise that less competition is a bad thing?

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    Its not a bad thing.
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    Its not a bad thing.
    Competition ensures that the best person for the job gets the job, British or not.
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    (Original post by jamespaine)
    Competition ensures that the best person for the job gets the job, British or not.
    Not true, worthy applicants do get rejected. Everyone has the same capabilities.
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    Not true, worthy applicants do get rejected. Everyone has the same capabilities.
    Where does 'everyone has the same capabilities' come from? There are always going to be people who are better suited for the job/
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    (Original post by jamespaine)
    Where does 'everyone has the same capabilities' come from? There are always going to be people who are better suited for the job/
    And how can you tell that from just doing an interview with someone. What should happen to those who are desperately looking for a job? Are you telling me those 7 people rejected by Boots are not good enough for the job? There are people who really want to work, but cant find anything. I find it disgusting that they are the same people blamed for not finding anything. When there's cuts on benefits people will realise that they will need to work hard and anyone will work their life out just to survive. Its human instinct. All applicants tend to have the same capabilities. You don't seem to see the unfairness side to this problem.
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    And how can you tell that from just doing an interview with someone. What should happen to those who are desperately looking for a job? Are you telling me those 7 people rejected by Boots are not good enough for the job? There are people who really want to work, but cant find anything. I find it disgusting that they are the same people blamed for not finding anything. When there's cuts on benefits people will realise that they will need to work hard and anyone will work their life out just to survive. Its human instinct. All applicants tend to have the same capabilities. You don't seem to see the unfairness side to this problem.
    British people have no less of a right to the job as immigrants. If they want to come here and earn tax for our government and increase the capacity of our economy then we should be grateful! Have you seen the 'what have the Romans ever done for us' scene fro Life Of Brian? You should check it out
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    (Original post by jamespaine)
    British people have no less of a right to the job as immigrants. If they want to come here and earn tax for our government and increase the capacity of our economy then we should be grateful! Have you seen the 'what have the Romans ever done for us' scene fro Life Of Brian? You should check it out
    Regardless of whether these people are allowed to work in this country all im going to say is this country leading to the third world country it is going to be soon. Lots of people come here in hope of something but this place is not quite the 'dreamland' it is thought of. Benefits are not going to remain forever. The unemployed will suffer the full blow of this catastrophe. Our economy is getting worse.
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    (Original post by jamespaine)
    British people have no less of a right to the job as immigrants. If they want to come here and earn tax for our government and increase the capacity of our economy then we should be grateful! Have you seen the 'what have the Romans ever done for us' scene fro Life Of Brian? You should check it out
    You're off the mark here.

    We aren't suddenly Roman because our elite ruling class became Roman. They brought their technology with them and implemented it from the top down.

    By contrast, what's happening now is simply wage compression without innovation. When did you last see innovation come from anyone, lest a migrant, in the UK? Instead what we have is wage suppression and a growing underclass which are being propped up by the welfare state. Women entering the workforce + mass immigration/EU immigration has been a major source of wealth for corporations and oligarchs.

    [will amend comment later, bus awaits]
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    Regardless of whether these people are allowed to work in this country all im going to say is this country leading to the third world country it is going to be soon. Lots of people come here in hope of something but this place is not quite the 'dreamland' it is thought of. Benefits are not going to remain forever. The unemployed will suffer the full blow of this catastrophe. Our economy is getting worse.
    Our economy by no means getting worse. Even with the conservatives in power, growth is at 2.6% which is the greatest of any developed nation and is even above target.

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    (Original post by jamespaine)
    Our economy by no means getting worse. Even with the conservatives in power, growth is at 2.6% which is the greatest of any developed nation and is even above target.

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    Say whatever you like mate, there is still a lot of citizens who are unemployed, and increasing competition is not the solution to the problem. Sounds like an increasingly better economy is not sorting out this issue.

    Edit: improving economy is only benefiting the middle\upper class.
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    I hope UKIP win this election. UKIP is the only party that can save us from this mess. Nigel Farage will probably make the best Prime Minister we have had in recent decades. All their policies make sense and are positively revolutionising. NHS will remain, free approved university courses, no more useless and damaging immigrants, extremists will be made to leave the country, less vehicles on the roads so less pollution, less pressure on housing, schools, transport, healthcare and less competition for jobs. Only UKIP can save this country!!!
    Revolutionary? If you call taking Thatcherism, and all the hated elements of Conservatism, and getting people to vote for them...then well, yes...Farage is revolutionary. If you mean "making it up as you go along" as a system of government, well I guess that's revolutionary. I guess it's not good for the country. Various UKIPers have come out and said they will privatize the NHS...or make it based on a US-style health-insurance system. The NHS is the third rail of British politics for a reason...touch it...and your political career is dead, and that's because to fundamentally mess with it is not something that the public wants. I don't trust UKIP with the NHS, because they're flip-floppers. They really make it up as they go along. In 2010, their "manifesto" (if you can call it that) was dismissed as "drivel" by Farage...

    Frankly, if any left-leaning voter votes for UKIP, they should be ashamed of themselves. Absolutely. UKIP will take everything the left has built up, set it all on fire, and then blame the left. And it's happening. Labour voters are buying Farage's outright lies.

    No more immigrants? UKIP may be ultra-conservative, but they're not quite the BNP. No party can enforce that. I'd agrue that immigration controls goes contrary to our membership of the European Union, and would be so detrimental to our economy, that it wouldn't be worth it. And one more thing... People may be fearful of EU migration to the UK, but it needs to be put into context of UK migration to the rEU, and non-EU migration.




    EDIT: for clarity, here are the EU figures. It seems I misconstrued the data. I was wrong...Sorry. However, the net EU migration figures are broadly in line with the data for (gross) non-EU migration.


    NB. It's right and proper, to have a debate about immigration, but it's being handled in the wrong way. Immigration is a two way street. The EU allows Britons to live and work freely throughout the European Union.

    Extremists are already made to leave the country...but only if it's practical. There's this pesky little bit of red tape called international law...and rightly or wrongly...as a nation we have to abide by it...or leave the protocols, and groups which uphold them, or rely on international law being upheld. To break international law, or leave such groups, would affect Britain's already declined international standing.

    It's not 1815, anymore. Britain can't go it alone. I strongly believe that we are better together as part of the European Union, fully in and as a full and active participary member of the European Union, (yes..Euro and all if we have to...)...That doesn't mean Britain should abandon the Special Relationship with the US (it's something which absolutely should be cherished) or relations with the current/former commonwealth countries (that is, if those countries have forgiven the excesses of Britain's imperial past...and want relations with Britain)...but a stronger network, ultimately means a stronger Britain. However, it is right that Britain has an in or out referendum on membership of the EU. The will of the people should be respected...but I am confident that the "in" would win..

    But, it's not a debate which should be framed on UKIP's terms. The big-three are so out of touch, especially Labour...that they have forgotton what they represent. Milliband's running scared. Heck,
    Natalie Bennett has more balls, more courage, and more belief in her conivctions, than the other three leaders...and well...

    As a political party, UKIP should be ashamed of themselves. Absolutely ashamed with themselves.They are a first class set of bandits and thieves. They should be forced to go and do their job...to represent UK interests in all parliamentary meetings. No excuses. They will blame the EU for anything and everything...UKIPers will happy take their expenses from the European Parliament, travelling from London to Brussels and racking up expenses on your behalf...which you have to pay for, by means of taxes and things...and not represent you!!! Absolute Joke. They will happily criticize the EU's fishing policies...but when Farage was part of the fisheries commission, he did sweet f.a., hardly attending meetings -- (you know...he only attended the ONE MEETING out of FORTY TWO MEETINGS, in THREE YEARS). Oh yeah, since the EU budget comes from the counters, and Britons will complain about the excessive contribution, guess who's paying for UKIP to do this? Ah yeah...the hard pressed taxpayers that they claim they represent. Farage can go do one...quite frankly...

    UKIP have done nothing but harm Britain's international standing. My German exchange friends thought it was an absolute joke, quite rightly, that they have enjoyed so much support.

    Ah...but I'm not done...My favorite one is when the Tories, they'll loose. You know...the ones elected in some of the safest Tory seats in the country, and they jump seats to UKIP. There should always be an election in that case. But no...they are allowed to jump ship and not have elctions, when they represent district councils and that stuff. "I didn't vote for you when you were a tory...so why do you think I will vote for you as a UKIPer?" is precisely my logic...How can people trust UKIP when most of their members are former extreme tories? You know...the ones which are lampooned by the press for putting their foot in it when it comes to social issues, the poor, the homeless, the needy, the sick, the disabled...women etc etc etc...

    Rant over...I hate UKIP. With a passion.
    NB2: I hate the Conservatives, UKIP, Lib-Dems, and for now, Labour, equally. I don't want to see a PM Cameron, PM Clegg, PM Farage. PM Milliband might be okay...but he's just taken a nail gun and did a real good job at putting the final nails in the coffin of everything the Labour party has stood for...For clarity, I like the SNP's policies, but alas, they cannot apply to England. So, I'm a 'watermelon' Green.

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    Ukip aren't going to win the election. Frankly I'd see a labour tory coalition more likely than pm farage.
    I'd rather stick pins in my eyes...and then pull them out one by one...than to have UKIP win a general election.
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    (Original post by HigherMinion)
    You're off the mark here.

    We aren't suddenly Roman because our elite ruling class became Roman. They brought their technology with them and implemented it from the top down.

    By contrast, what's happening now is simply wage compression without innovation. When did you last see innovation come from anyone, lest a migrant, in the UK? Instead what we have is wage suppression and a growing underclass which are being propped up by the welfare state. Women entering the workforce + mass immigration/EU immigration has been a major source of wealth for corporations and oligarchs.

    [will amend comment later, bus awaits]
    So true, an improving economy is only benefiting the middle\upper class.
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    I'm not going to lie, if ukip win or are part of a ruling coalition after this election I will probably seek work abroad once I complete my degree, wouldn't want to live in a country where there is a vast minority who are stupid enough/ prejudice enough to vote for that man and what he stands for.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    I'm not going to lie, if ukip win or are part of a ruling coalition after this election I will probably seek work abroad once I complete my degree, wouldn't want to live in a country where there is a vast minority who are stupid enough/ prejudice enough to vote for that man and what he stands for.
    Good luck in that one mate. Lets see you find a job outside the UK.
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    So true, an improving economy is only benefiting the middle\upper class.
    Because most, especially the least well paid, haven't benefited from an increased personal allowance.
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    (Original post by BaronK)
    Because most, especially the least well paid, haven't benefited from an increased personal allowance.
    If they are not benefiting, of which logically they should, then we have a flaw to our system.
 
 
 
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