(Original post by michael90cr)
He's making the point borders are mostly arbitary while they ususally have some logic they arn't always. ake the middle-east for example after colonial rule from Europe, their borders don't make sence as such it has caused cultural tension and multiple wars. The idea in the EU is that open borders helps facilitate trade and industry. I personally believe if that where your are born should have no impact on your rights whether it be housing, Jobs or benifit, if someone else is willing to undercut you, you offer a better service or match the price. You shouldn't get prefirential treatmeant becuase you are born in the UK. I have britsh ancestry for generations and am white and if someone from Germany, Poland or Romania take an opportuity from me because they deserve it, fair dues to them because that does't make me entitled to a Job or Benifits
Post-colonial borders aren't a feature of Europe apart from Eastern Europe post-1918, as we're now seeing in Ukraine (non-existent before then). I was making the point that borders, when left to their own devices, establish themselves, usually around features of the land. Open borders and political union in the EU do not affect trade, there will be a supply and demand based on the goods and services being exchanged. A free trade deal independent of political union would be far preferable, then let business get on with trading goods.
On the being born somewhere having no bearing on your rights, clearly every government in the world disagrees. I believe that people who fit into a society, usually as a result of being born into it, but also immigrants who integrate, should be treated as full members of the society. That involves speaking the language, knowing the history of the country, respecting and following the laws of the land, and having a respect for your fellow citizens/subjects. If anybody wants to come to the country, they should be somebody who will improve the country substantially, so bringing skills that are very valuable or that we have a deficiency in, speaking our language, not being a burden on public services, and having the knowledge of the things above (history, laws etc.) to be able to integrate socially as quickly as possible.
It all comes from the nation-state being the largest body within which it's possible for people to be subconsciously unselfish, because of what they share. If you have a huge melting pot of society (which has nothing to with tolerance of differences) then the people will be more divided than united, and it will not function as a society. Examples should spring to mind.