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    (Original post by bobbyismyname)
    3% of grammar school students are eligible for free school meals, that means a tiny proportion of students at grammar school students are poor. So your idea that grammars allow for social mobility are simply not true. Regardless if some were closed down, surely that percentage should be higher if they allowed social mobility.

    And in terms of jealousy, how is it jealous to ask why in some areas the only oppurtuniy for a decent education is a grammar school? How is to jealous to state that these schools are filled with certain peoples ability to by homes in the catchment area or who can afford the best tutors for the 11+?

    Grammar schools no longer allow for social mobility and you know that. It is not jealous but simply fair to state that their should be access to an excellent education regardless of wealth and the ability to pass a test at 11 years old. It is fair to state that future prospects shouldn't be dictated by a test at 11yrs old.

    You can't shout "jealous" when people ask for a fairer education for the countries youth
    Grammar schools are limited in what they can do because they only account for ~5% of schools while at their height when they were producing prime ministers, they accounted for around 30%.

    If memory serves 16% of pupils get free school meals in state schools so lets ask that grammar schools take 16% of the best poor pupils.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    It was not the safest way: austerity, as I said, should never be the defining feature of an economic plan, because it is very risky and never really works. Austerity can be included in the economic plan but not at the centre and certainly not as a point of dogma.

    I make the party political point that both in 2010 and 2015 the Labour plan used austerity sparingly, and it was vindicated when Osborne turned away from Plan A to follow a programme more like the Labour plan (though, as I said, founded on sand with the housing bubble).

    The economy didn't need to be built back up before investing, you can do both at the same time quite happily, particularly with borrowing costs that have been falling for some decades and throughout the crash and austerity and recovery periods.

    Regrettably this was the time to elect a government committed to investment spending and we have failed to elect Labour. Instead we get more unnecessary Tory cuts as a point of dogma.
    What is risky about austerity?
    Investment is a gamble, placing money on something you think will increase in value. But it may not.
    I'm not saying we shouldn't invest - of course we should invest. I'm just wondering why you think investment is a less risky strategy than investment?
    Austerity can be controlled internally, investment depends on external factors.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Grammar schools are limited in what they can do because they only account for ~5% of schools while at their height when they were producing prime ministers, they accounted for around 30%.

    If memory serves 16% of pupils get free school meals in state schools so lets ask that grammar schools take 16% of the best poor pupils.
    That would be a start if they widen their access to the poorest, but also local state schools need investment to improve facilties, and schools near where I live have to cater for the un-academic and more for those needing certain manual skills. Where I live only the grammar schools are remotely good for an education, and that is simply not acceptable.
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    'I don't know anyone who voted Conservatives'

    Well Gosh. Don't you just mix with a diverse pool of opinions. What does it feel like being unable to take criticism or accept that people exist outside of your hugbox?

    As people have already noted: the majority of the UK is right wing orientated. Labour fought to keep Scotland in simply because they were usually safe seats for them before SNP took over- usually enough to come close behind the Cons if enough cityfolk feel guilty and immigrants take Labour's welfare bait.

    so why is the vocal minority Left louder than the majority? Because the social revolution won't come about on its own. Because those normal people who just wish to work hard, settle down with a family and enjoy the fruits of their labour in retirement surrounded by their family- do not have the time or patience to argue with the obnoxious and arrogant people and ideology that smears all that is natural. They merely laugh at it the crazy and carry on with their day.

    Did you get that? The right pities you. They run circles around you because the left are not taken seriously by normal people. The right are mostly ridiculed in leftwing media organisations like the BBC. the only problem with this apathy on the right is the feeling of ideological loneliness some may feel when watching these broadcasters.

    Look: you're a student. Your job is to lobby the government whilst being funded by the government. Amusingly you don't see the issue.
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    Mostly because left wingers are rowdy and will jump to stupid conclusions that Murdoch is pulling the strings of the British Public. Absolute nonsense, there was a 7% difference between Labour and Conservative in the national vote; hardly a massive difference. And no one seemed to care too much when Blair and Murdoch were best of friends.

    I think what this poll showed us is that a lot of Tory Voters are shy and some are even ashamed to be Tory Voters. To be fair, Id be ashamed of supporting a party thats supposed to be for the working class (Labour), and increase unemployment every time they leave government.

    I also assume that when you mention 'everyone', you're mostly talking to people in the 16-24 age group? And that many are annoyed that tuition fees are not going down. Let me remind those of you who introduced university tuition fees in the first place? (Labour). I do agree that 9000 pounds is ludicrous, but voting conservatives makes sense if you want some economic sensibility back in government. Labour are literally the foe of the entrepreneur, and i cannot stand this talk about 50p tax rate and so on, its bad for business and we should be creating a future where people aspire to run businesses, to reach higher up etc.. instead of creating the class war that socialists love to start, and this stance against prosperity and wealth.

    I'd think that the tory vote amongst 16-24 year olds is low in comparison to other ages.
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    People you haven't spoken to?
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    It is the nature of the left to seek to impose their views on everyone in the most thuggish and belligerent manner. Take crazy left-wing teachers like my Citizenship teacher in Year 7, who exist to indoctrinate their pupils in complete BS and get paid for it. And if they get their way, anyone who doesn't see their point of view will be sent to Siberia for re-programming and indoctrination.
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    **** the Tory scum.
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    I voted conservative, student from poor background family.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    The reason why you don't hear much people celebrating the Tory win is because deep down, those voters know that they voted with less morality, than those who voted Labour.

    They voted for a party which has and continues to greatly reduce the quality of life for our vulnerable (especially our disabled, see the DPAC), the mentally ill, our elderly, and children born into humble circumstances.
    Because the Torys are never the party for the people, they don't care about the above because they aren't important.

    Tory voters also voted for a party which actively reduces the quality of healthcare it's people receives.

    So that is why Tory voters don't shout about it, because deep down they know it's more immoral. But they don't give a damn because they are thinking purely out of their own self interest- having to pay less ****ing taxes. Which is unlikely anyway.
    The reason you don't hear Tory voters shouting from the rooftops about it is fear of intimidation by the militant left which has infiltrated our education system and media. The default position of many left-wingers when they don't get their way is to use violence, because the use of violence is intrinsic in state socialism. That's the only way it will work - violence.

    When New Labour won in 1997 I didn't see Tory thugs desecrating war memorials or attacking police. I didn't see Tory or UKIP voters intimidating people at polling stations, only people who voted for the national socialist SNP. That is because most people who vote Tory are sensible individuals who believe in taking responsibility for their own lives and looking after themselves and their family without holding anyone else's pay-packet to ransom because of their greed and helplessness. This is the definition of egoism, or doing what pleases you as long as it hurts no one else. The left are egotists - they are willing to hurt others to get what they want. They tell us this is necessary for a prosperous and equal society. They are class A liars and demagogues.

    The left are truly scumbags.
 
 
 

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