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    (Original post by haseeb1)
    That doesn't mean its better its just a little more compact and convenient in terms of moving it around. But thats about it. And to me, I actually think its more convenient to have a pc - though you will need some basic knowledge about hardware and software to be comfortable. I only got into pc gaming last year and it is miles better than consoles, especially in the mmo type games. There's too many reasons why they're better in the gaming front.
    Well almost all of my friends have a ps4 so therefore I can play with them. I don't really care to be honest, as long as I get to play the games I want to play, with the people I want to play with, I am fine. I am not a massive game nerd so I don't really mind if I have pc or console.😀
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    (Original post by ozzyoscy)
    You have to know about PC parts and probably even building one, as well as all the general PC things like anti-malware programs and some technical knowledge, to not only be comfortable with a PC but to be able to get one at a good value and maintain it, and upgrade it in future if need be.

    People on forums championing PCs as the only option forget that what they know comes with years of experience and general knowledge of computers, that they know much more than the majority. The rest of the world have to accept all that hassle and costs PCs bring, since a lot of us know ****, but not all the same categories of ****. I would feel the same with buying or building a car, you'd be the same trying to perform surgery on an aneurysm. It's easy when you know how, but knowing how takes a lot of time and trial and error.

    So for most people, consoles are indeed vastly better value, money-wise and pleasure-wise. A console costs £130 - £250 depending on when you get it. Someone who doesn't know enough gets a **** PC for £400+ that then hassles them with errors and confusing ****, then gets clogged with dust, then goes slow as **** and needs to be replaced in a few years.
    1 year ago I knew nothing about PCs. I went, educated myself on YouTube, forums, asked my friends who knew and built my own PC. I did run into issues, but I learnt and got rock solid reliability now. I've rebuilt it as well, new motherboard, WiFi and case and it runs so well. My PS4, does nothing. Ever. Just has junk stored on top of it. When I saw the specs for the new consoles, determined they were weak and not much of an improvement over the 7th generation, so I built a PC. Best decision ever made. Handles all my media and games and at 1080p it plays like a boss. I have no reason to open it up ever now.

    My software attachment rate on PC has been crazy. 24 - 27 games in 18 months. Didn't pay full price/at all for the majority of them, plus free online and my PS1 and 2 live on through emulation doing it better than the original systems ever did. Any games I want these days, I get them on PC by default.
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    (Original post by mine turtle)
    1 year ago I knew nothing about PCs. I went, educated myself on YouTube, forums, asked my friends who knew and built my own PC. I did run into issues, but I learnt and got rock solid reliability now. I've rebuilt it as well, new motherboard, WiFi and case and it runs so well. My PS4, does nothing. Ever. Just has junk stored on top of it. When I saw the specs for the new consoles, determined they were weak and not much of an improvement over the 7th generation, so I built a PC. Best decision ever made. Handles all my media and games and at 1080p it plays like a boss. I have no reason to open it up ever now.My software attachment rate on PC has been crazy. 24 - 27 games in 18 months. Didn't pay full price/at all for the majority of them, plus free online and my PS1 and 2 live on through emulation doing it better than the original systems ever did. Any games I want these days, I get them on PC by default.
    I've got a similar story as well. I didn't know much about PCs for about 2 years, but I finally got to grips with what's what. I haven't really built myself a PC yet, however I have bought a decent PC that run most games for a really good price.
    Also free Xbox live in the future for Windows 10 users.
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    (Original post by ozzyoscy)
    This simply isn't true. People who play on consoles aren't some separate species. We all play games, just on different things. I play on PC and consoles, old and new. Am I 'hardcore'? My girlfriend plays on phone, is she 'casual'? But oh wait, she plays on console too. Oh and PC. Oh but she's a girl, she probably only plays Sims. That's what girls play, just like how console players mostly only play on console, because reasons.
    Well I was a console gamer until last year since the bloody mega drive, I was essentially a console fanboy. I had a ps4 before I even got a pc and I also have an galaxy note 4 for playing android games. So it makes it true in my case. Like the above posts, I only got into pc gaming recently and it beats console gaming utterly, the only convincing reason to play on console is because, maybe more of your friends play consoles or the exclusives titles (exclusives tbh ain't a good enough reason for me). After getting my pc, my ps4 became obsolete, so I sold it. It was coming to the point where I would play more games on my phone than my ps4, it had to go. Tbh I do admit that you need a certain amount of know how when you've got a pc, but im technically minded so I liked the challenge of building my own pc for the first time. It wasn't even as hard as people were making it out to be, although I did come across some problems; nothing some google searches couldn't fix though.

    But like I said originally, to each his own. I prefer having pc as my main gaming machine but im no bull**** pc master race promoter, I just made my decision based on my pc experience. Now if you PREFER consoles thats all good.
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    (Original post by haseeb1)
    Well I was a console gamer until last year since the bloody mega drive, I was essentially a console fanboy. I had a ps4 before I even got a pc and I also have an galaxy note 4 for playing android games. So it makes it true in my case. Like the above posts, I only got into pc gaming recently and it beats console gaming utterly, the only convincing reason to play on console is because, maybe more of your friends play consoles or the exclusives titles (exclusives tbh ain't a good enough reason for me). After getting my pc, my ps4 became obsolete, so I sold it. It was coming to the point where I would play more games on my phone than my ps4, it had to go. Tbh I do admit that you need a certain amount of know how when you've got a pc, but im technically minded so I liked the challenge of building my own pc for the first time. It wasn't even as hard as people were making it out to be, although I did come across some problems; nothing some google searches couldn't fix though.

    But like I said originally, to each his own. I prefer having pc as my main gaming machine but im no bull**** pc master race promoter, I just made my decision based on my pc experience. Now if you PREFER consoles thats all good.
    Only reason I have a PS4 is Black Friday. PS4 was supposed to be bought first, but PC effectively jumped the queue (decided one day I'm going to do it)
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    (Original post by mine turtle)
    Only reason I have a PS4 is Black Friday. PS4 was supposed to be bought first, but PC effectively jumped the queue (decided one day I'm going to do it)
    I saved up for a good few months before I got mine, it will probably last me at least this console generation. Btw what specs did you put on your pc?
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    (Original post by haseeb1)
    I saved up for a good few months before I got mine, it will probably last me at least this console generation. Btw what specs did you put on your pc?
    My situation was a bit different, because my degree paid me per term and the placement year paid me untaxed salary

    What I was aiming for:
    GTX 760 (I was aiming for a weaker card actually, can't remember what), Core i7, 16GB RAM, no overclock, 1TB HDD, WiFi, Bluetooth, BD ROM optical drive

    What I built (this was the initial build back in February):
    GTX 760, Core i5, 16GB RAM, no overclock, 4.1 TB of space, WiFi, Bluetooth by USB, BD ROM optical drive

    What I changed it to, soon after by returning my GPU because it wasn't cutting (Borderlands 2 Physx was killing it)
    GTX 780, Core i5, 16GB RAM, no overclock, 4.1TB of space, WiFi, Bluetooth by USB, BD ROM optical drive

    All of those are known as Weapon X 1.0
    You can see its detailed spec here:


    What I overhauled it to (to prepare for 1440p and higher, SLI, and overclocking) a few weeks ago:
    Weapon X: Behemoth Revision
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D
    Fan Controller: NZXT Sentry 3
    Optical Drives: 2 x 16x LG Blu Ray drives
    Storage: 1 x WD Green 2TB HDD, 1 x WD Black 2TB HDD, 1 x 120GB Samsung 840 Evo SSD
    Board: MSI Z97 Gaming 7
    RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP RAM
    CPU: Core i5 4570 @3.2GHz
    GPU: GTX 780 OC
    Cooler: Evo 212 Hyper
    PSU: Antec 750 Truepower 80+ Gold
    WiFi: TP Link 802.11 ac adaptor
    Bluetooth: 4.0 USB adaptor
    Sound card: Creative Soundblaster ZXR Audiophile Gaming sound card
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB
    Mouse: Corsair M65 RGB

    It needed to handle everything at full HD maxed out (or very close) and handle all media. It was designed to be a gaming and media PC, and a bit of a Swiss army knife, handling all my media and games. As it turns out it's good at video capture and the WD Green (which was a mistake :P) turned out to be a good thing for storing hours of screen capture for making my videos and for storing movies.

    The overhaul was for future updates:
    - Quicksilver update: brings an unlocked CPU to the game for overclocking
    - Double vision update (anyone know a suitable Marvel character, so I can name this update better?): Adds a second GPU for SLI

    The November update video will cover the overhauls over the las 12 months
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    (Original post by mine turtle)
    1 year ago I knew nothing about PCs. I [had to] educate myself on YouTube, forums, asked my friends who knew
    Exactly.
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    Nah it's all about the PS1 😊
    Pingu, it's all about the Sega Mega Drive.
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    (Original post by mine turtle)
    My situation was a bit different, because my degree paid me per term and the placement year paid me untaxed salary

    What I was aiming for:
    GTX 760 (I was aiming for a weaker card actually, can't remember what), Core i7, 16GB RAM, no overclock, 1TB HDD, WiFi, Bluetooth, BD ROM optical drive

    What I built (this was the initial build back in February):
    GTX 760, Core i5, 16GB RAM, no overclock, 4.1 TB of space, WiFi, Bluetooth by USB, BD ROM optical drive

    What I changed it to, soon after by returning my GPU because it wasn't cutting (Borderlands 2 Physx was killing it)
    GTX 780, Core i5, 16GB RAM, no overclock, 4.1TB of space, WiFi, Bluetooth by USB, BD ROM optical drive

    All of those are known as Weapon X 1.0
    You can see its detailed spec here:


    What I overhauled it to (to prepare for 1440p and higher, SLI, and overclocking) a few weeks ago:
    Weapon X: Behemoth Revision
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D
    Fan Controller: NZXT Sentry 3
    Optical Drives: 2 x 16x LG Blu Ray drives
    Storage: 1 x WD Green 2TB HDD, 1 x WD Black 2TB HDD, 1 x 120GB Samsung 840 Evo SSD
    Board: MSI Z97 Gaming 7
    RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP RAM
    CPU: Core i5 4570 @3.2GHz
    GPU: GTX 780 OC
    Cooler: Evo 212 Hyper
    PSU: Antec 750 Truepower 80+ Gold
    WiFi: TP Link 802.11 ac adaptor
    Bluetooth: 4.0 USB adaptor
    Sound card: Creative Soundblaster ZXR Audiophile Gaming sound card
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB
    Mouse: Corsair M65 RGB

    It needed to handle everything at full HD maxed out (or very close) and handle all media. It was designed to be a gaming and media PC, and a bit of a Swiss army knife, handling all my media and games. As it turns out it's good at video capture and the WD Green (which was a mistake :P) turned out to be a good thing for storing hours of screen capture for making my videos and for storing movies.

    The overhaul was for future updates:
    - Quicksilver update: brings an unlocked CPU to the game for overclocking
    - Double vision update (anyone know a suitable Marvel character, so I can name this update better?): Adds a second GPU for SLI

    The November update video will cover the overhauls over the las 12 months
    I was going for largely the same specs as you, except I opted for a i7 4790k as I do some video editing sometimes and wanted some future proofing and be overclockable. And I only got 8gb 1600mhz ram. I got the same cooler but I got the msi z97 g55 sli motherboard. That was because I went for the gigabyte gtx 970 g1 gaming card, it came out the same month I was buying my parts, was gonna get a 780 otherwise. So glad I got it because it handles everything I throw at it at 1080p. Just need another 970, a 1440p monitor plus a few other minor upgrades to make my system complete. I haven't really gave my system a name lol
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    (Original post by haseeb1)
    I was going for largely the same specs as you, except I opted for a i7 4790k as I do some video editing sometimes and wanted some future proofing and be overclockable. And I only got 8gb 1600mhz ram. I got the same cooler but I got the msi z97 g55 sli motherboard. That was because I went for the gigabyte gtx 970 g1 gaming card, it came out the same month I was buying my parts, was gonna get a 780 otherwise. So glad I got it because it handles everything I throw at it at 1080p. Just need another 970, a 1440p monitor plus a few other minor upgrades to make my system complete. I haven't really gave my system a name lol
    I would have considered/got the H440 if it supported optical drives. I won't build without an optical drive. My original spec sheet said only 2TB of storage space, but the HDD I put in (green) was too slow. It was a zero hour change and I didn't realise it used Intellisense technology and how slow 5400 RPM would be. I eventually came round to getting an SSD in after I'd added WD Black and it was like turbocharging a fast computer. I didn't have a gaming mouse and keyboard initially, because coming from console I used a controller, but then I found in games requiring shooting, m/kb is better and eventually got the new m/kb. I have the lights go out when I start watching a movie (I often emulate the cinema by turning my room lights off) and set the fan controller to low RPM as well shut the display off. Together with 5.1 surround it's amazing, just have the single LED exhaust fan at the back giving a little bit of extra light and not lit up like a Christmas tree like the original Weapon X spec. This is how it was always meant to be used, just recently got it more movie watching ready (quieter fans and fewer LEDs)

    Overall spent twice as much as planned, but well worth it given the performance I get. Could I have spent less? Maybe, but I have no regrets. I compared it against prebuilds of similar spec and it was cheaper in a number of cases or not far off (but would have good WiFi, and that was before I switched to dual band ac, bluetooth, a good optical drive with the software to play Blu Rays). I think the only thing the prebuilds were able to beat it on were CPU (I think, it's been a while since I checked). It was more value for money before any upgrades went in (at it's core it's still the same, even if the PSU, GPU, board and WiFi aren't)
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    Gaming consoles e.g. PS4/Xbox One are for causal people who have a life and like to socialise with their real life friends, as it gives us the opportunity connect with our friends and socialise when we cant physically in person.

    PC - Is for overly obsessive gaming nerds who need to make friends and get a social life, also it would be a good idea for these people to get fresh air and see the real world, instead of being stuck to a monitor all day, it's a bad addiction.

    Gaming consoles like xbox or playstation are sufficient enough for normal game play and a healthy balanced life style, so's theres no need to spend so much money on a gaming pc so you can play with people you never met in person online, it just isn't cool and waste of human life.
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    (Original post by mine turtle)
    I would have considered/got the H440 if it supported optical drives. I won't build without an optical drive. My original spec sheet said only 2TB of storage space, but the HDD I put in (green) was too slow. It was a zero hour change and I didn't realise it used Intellisense technology and how slow 5400 RPM would be. I eventually came round to getting an SSD in after I'd added WD Black and it was like turbocharging a fast computer. I didn't have a gaming mouse and keyboard initially, because coming from console I used a controller, but then I found in games requiring shooting, m/kb is better and eventually got the new m/kb. I have the lights go out when I start watching a movie (I often emulate the cinema by turning my room lights off) and set the fan controller to low RPM as well shut the display off. Together with 5.1 surround it's amazing, just have the single LED exhaust fan at the back giving a little bit of extra light and not lit up like a Christmas tree like the original Weapon X spec. This is how it was always meant to be used, just recently got it more movie watching ready (quieter fans and fewer LEDs)

    Overall spent twice as much as planned, but well worth it given the performance I get. Could I have spent less? Maybe, but I have no regrets. I compared it against prebuilds of similar spec and it was cheaper in a number of cases or not far off (but would have good WiFi, and that was before I switched to dual band ac, bluetooth, a good optical drive with the software to play Blu Rays). I think the only thing the prebuilds were able to beat it on were CPU (I think, it's been a while since I checked). It was more value for money before any upgrades went in (at it's core it's still the same, even if the PSU, GPU, board and WiFi aren't)
    I didn't build mine with an optical drive initialy, even still till this day I don't have one. Don't really use it tbh. I download most thing I watch, or stream them. Same with games, all my games are digital. I would've liked getting a mid tower but I needed a full tower because most mid towers didn't have enough space for the graphics card I wanted (its a beast). So I got a full tower, which I entiry do not regret, it has a **** load of space, 5 hard drive bays plus an external bay, and more room for 3 optical drives. Its the thermaltake a71. Plus it comes with 4 fans as standard two of which are LED lit, very good for cooling and looks great.
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    (Original post by Audiology-Med)
    Gaming consoles e.g. PS4/Xbox One are for causal people who have a life and like to socialise with their real life friends, as it gives us the opportunity connect with our friends and socialise when we cant physically in person.

    PC - Is for overly obsessive gaming nerds who need to make friends and get a social life, also it would be a good idea for these people to get fresh air and see the real world, instead of being stuck to a monitor all day, it's a bad addiction.

    Gaming consoles like xbox or playstation are sufficient enough for normal game play and a healthy balanced life style, so's theres no need to spend so much money on a gaming pc so you can play with people you never met in person online, it just isn't cool and waste of human life.
    It sounds like you have a life.
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    (Original post by Audiology-Med)
    Gaming consoles e.g. PS4/Xbox One are for causal people who have a life and like to socialise with their real life friends, as it gives us the opportunity connect with our friends and socialise when we cant physically in person.

    PC - Is for overly obsessive gaming nerds who need to make friends and get a social life, also it would be a good idea for these people to get fresh air and see the real world, instead of being stuck to a monitor all day, it's a bad addiction.

    Gaming consoles like xbox or playstation are sufficient enough for normal game play and a healthy balanced life style, so's theres no need to spend so much money on a gaming pc so you can play with people you never met in person online, it just isn't cool and waste of human life.

    Well, most of the time the arguments between console and PC aren't about social life and are about which is better for gaming. If you're going to get intense with your gaming then PC all the way. If it's a casual 1 - 2 hour thing while you wait for your tea then console may be for you. If it's a car ride and you want to game with friends on the go it's a PSP or any of the DS range (as long as they can connect to other DSes).
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    (Original post by Audiology-Med)
    Gaming consoles e.g. PS4/Xbox One are for causal people who have a life and like to socialise with their real life friends, as it gives us the opportunity connect with our friends and socialise when we cant physically in person.

    PC - Is for overly obsessive gaming nerds who need to make friends and get a social life, also it would be a good idea for these people to get fresh air and see the real world, instead of being stuck to a monitor all day, it's a bad addiction.

    Gaming consoles like xbox or playstation are sufficient enough for normal game play and a healthy balanced life style, so's theres no need to spend so much money on a gaming pc so you can play with people you never met in person online, it just isn't cool and waste of human life.
    This is a terrible troll attempt, even by TSR standards, but I'll bite just for the fun of it.

    Some of the (many) things wrong with this post are:

    1) Ignoring the fact that there are plenty of console gamers who play just as much as some PC gamers
    2) Falsely generalizing an entire playerbase into one relatively exaggerated and somewhat untrue stereotype
    3) Forcing on people your view on an ideal human life and insulting people who deviate from it
    4) Conveniently ignoring the fact that there are people who spend much more time and much more money on other hobbies
    5) Incorrectly assuming that your so called unbalanced lifestyle could not be obtained by playing consoles
    6) Asserting that you need physical contact for both friendship and the social satisfaction from having friends.

    7) Implying that casual gamers are ever a good thing.
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    (Original post by Fango_Jett)
    This is a terrible troll, even by TSR standards, but I'll bite just for the fun of it.

    Some of the (many) things wrong with this post are:

    1) Ignoring the fact that there are plenty of console gamers who play just as much as some PC gamers
    2) Falsely generalizing an entire playerbase into one relatively exaggerated and somewhat untrue stereotype
    3) Forcing on people your view on an ideal human life and insulting people who deviate from it
    4) Conveniently ignoring the fact that there are people who spend much more time and much more money on other hobbies
    5) Incorrectly assuming that your so called unbalanced lifestyle could not be obtained by playing consoles
    6) Asserting that you need physical contact for both friendship and the social satisfaction from having friends.

    7) Implying that casual gamers are ever a good thing.
    Couldn't have said it better myself :yy:
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    (Original post by Alan-K)
    You don't HAVE to build your own gaming rig to get a good machine for your money. Your average Joe consumer could go onto websites like SCAN/Novatech/OcUK/PCSpecialist/Maplins even and purchase a machine for £500 and it will still be good enough to play the latest games. I heard Steam is releasing some new hardware soon for their gaming platform...
    It's not just the prospect of building a rig that puts the average consumer off. It's really the whole image of the PC as the irritating Windows box that runs spreedsheets and other "complicated" software applications, frequently throws up confusing error messages and eventually crashes. That turns people off.

    When the average consumer thinks PC gaming, they worry about whether the next installment of their favourite franchise will require a future hardware upgrade. You generally don't get this "will it run?" concern with consoles no matter how many years pass.

    This is incredibly reassuring for the average consumer. The distinguishing features that set consoles apart from PCs are definitely diminishing, but they are still far more easier to setup and operate than a PC. And they don't suffer from the nerdy Windows box image.
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    (Original post by ozzyoscy)
    Yakuza and Uncharted make it an eventual must buy for me.

    It's probably better than the Xbox One just because having a PC makes an Xbox of any generation almost obsolete.

    All that matters though is if the exclusives are what you really want to play. If so, then go get it. That's all that matters.
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