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    All the other Labour candidates were Tory-lites, so I think this was the best result possible to show that Labour and the Tories are different.

    That said, I'm unlikely to vote Labour again. He's too left wing for my liking.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    What makes him an idiot?
    His foreign policy?

    He wants to leave NATO, drop defence spending below 2% GDP and get rid of Trident.

    Are the Russians paying him or somthing?

    (Original post by Aj12)
    Well the next few weeks are going to be interesting to watch. I wonder how much he'll compromise on issues like NATO and Trident. Although he seems to already be back-pedalling on that. Still at this point I don't see how Labour can do well in 2020, but early days....
    Hopefully all the way and he will never discuss or even utter a word about it ever again. Our navy, army and airforce are all very small compared to what they used to be and for a country our size.

    The RN surface fleet currently has:
    6 destroyers
    13 frigates
    assorted smaller ships

    Currently we spend 35billion on defence but 43billion maintaining the public debt.
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    (Original post by Errm32)
    As it stands, two things will define the electability of the Tories come 2020:

    a) EU Referendum - You better hope that it doesn't split the party.
    It is less likely to do now.

    b) Leadership - It's not going to be Cameron and if the Tories leave it too late, they may not even have an effective leader. Furthermore, going into the election with "two leaders" will no doubt confuse the voters (as one seeks to keep control of government whilst the other tries to get people to vote for him/her for the next election).
    I think most politicians have seen how it is done in America. The outgoing leader doesn't have any vision for the future and potential successors only talk about the future.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    It might be a strange concept for you, but some people don't vote in their own self-interest. I'm skint at the moment like everyone else, but my class and ability means I will be OK whatever sort of government is in power. It's the people for whom it does matter which government is in power that I care about. I don’t want to see any more disabled people or un(der)employed people put through misery etc etc in the name of giving me literally a couple of hundred quid every year (and that's if they actually do lower taxes, which they never do: a Tory government has never failed to raise VAT the second it's got into power, and aside from those earning over 100,000 the only people the income tax reductions fail to benefit are the underemplpyed poor).
    Ok, that's fair enough; no it's not a strange concept to me - a lot of my political beliefs don't actually affect me either. But I did want to pick up on the highlighted point here... has the current administration raised VAT? No. Has it indicated that it wants to raise VAT? No. In fact to the contrary, it's said outright that it won't raise VAT. It doesn't make sense to raise it further and importantly, it's not necessary to do so to achieve the government's target of running a surplus by FY19.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    How do you suppose he'll get the Tories out if he can't beat them?

    And an incompetent opposition is no op[position at all, no matter how principled, no matter how admirable, no matter how loud.
    A popular opposition is all that is needed.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Sensible levels of social security and public services to provide protection for those in need and particularly those who, by no choice of their own, cannot work, is entirely reasonable. This government is working towards that bakance in my view. Socialists like Corbyn would reverse all of the necessary changes that have been made over the last 5 years and more in an appalling engorgement of the DWP's budget, paid for by devaluation of the economy, more debt and ridiculous tax increases.

    I believe in a balanced welfare state, not one that makes it pay to choose to sit on your arse and procreate for more money.
    All this is fine, but you didn't really answer the question. After all, big government is big government, and debt and taxes affect you the same whether they're paying for defense, healthcare or welfare. You mentioned a green card, which to me implies America, but I don't know which other countries have them. If you are planning to move to America to escape from big government, high taxes and high national debt I think you could end up disappointed.
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    motorbiker can u delete my thread on this, i didn't know u had made it already

    thanks
    What happened to your mouse?? :zomg:

    (Original post by Mr JB)
    Absolutely over the moon. He is the only true Labour option who will stand up to the disgusting corporate elites who wish to further their monopolies and enslave us all to corporate jobs and debt. We may be less rich materialistically but life is about more than possessions, it is about social cohesion, relationships, communities and sharing moments with loved families and friends. We must now turn Britain back into a country that cares about people, not just profits. A country that wants to bring back communities whereby people know their neighbours rather than not knowing them due to the pressures of society.

    This, for me, is the first time I have been interested in British politics on any serious level since I've been eligible to vote. I have old labour socialist values at heart and whilst I am not deluded enough to believe the 60's and 70's weren't without their problems, I'm also not deluded enough to believe that it was all bad back then. Nearly every single older person I've spoken with (life experience) has told me that people cared more for one another back then, less violence (people getting glassed and stabbed) and whilst people were less well off financially, they were richer in heart, richer in compassion and richer in a sense of belonging and community!

    Societies should be built around people, not money. That is how we move forward from here. That is progressivism.
    Progressivism? :laugh:
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    If the electorate were spooked by how 'left' Red Ed was, Corbyn has no chance. His immigration policies alone make him unelectable.
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    (Original post by Imperion)
    What happened to your mouse?? :zomg:


    Progressivism? :laugh:
    I changed it bc everyone was confusing it 4 a mouse when it was a guinea pig

    what has happed to urs anyway? it is different
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    I changed it bc everyone was confusing it 4 a mouse when it was a guinea pig

    what has happed to urs anyway? it is different
    You're telling me it was a guinea pig?

    Ehm, I found a new hype train :lol; The pic was really cool but TSR isn't letting me have the full effect
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    (Original post by ElephantMemory)
    Everyone claims to be from a disadvantaged background. It's almost always *******s. I want to see an underclass person, raised on benefits on the council estate claim hard work is the key and show me other people from the background who have managed to do the same.
    Now this is a really difficult statement, as we learn much of our attitudes from our parents and those around us, so it is far more likely that someone whose parent's had a job, regardless of where they lived, will see the benefits (both fiscal and health-wise) of working and be more likely to work themselves, whereas those who come from a culture of believing benefits are an entitlement are also likely to perpetuate that behaviour.

    I came from a Council Estate, and am the first generation of my family that attended Uni, but my parents would rather have cut their own arms off than claimed benefits (although believed staunchly they should be there for those who needed them). My mum scored the 3rd best in the country in the 11 plus exam (back in the days when the Grammar School system was fairly widespread), but her extremely working class family could not afford for her not to bring a wage into the family, so she could not go to University (despite it being a time of full and adequate grants and her winning several scholarships-it was not paying for her, it was the fact her family needed her wages to put food on the table), So she went out to work, got married, had kids, had no money, worked some more and always wanted better for us, so we lived and breathed that ethos and myself and my 2 brothers are now what you would consider the useless bourgeois elite, and we work hard to keep it that way, but would consider ourselves to have come from from truly "underclass" roots (what sort of pejorative description is that anyway?). Attitudes are part nurture and part nature and many of us, even unwittingly, grow up to mimic behaviour we witnessed as a chld
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    (Original post by Imperion)
    You're telling me it was a guinea pig?

    Ehm, I found a new hype train :lol; The pic was really cool but TSR isn't letting me have the full effect
    yes i am and it was hence the name CoolCavy with Cavy = Guinea pig

    oh righto :laugh:
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    All this is fine, but you didn't really answer the question. After all, big government is big government, and debt and taxes affect you the same whether they're paying for defense, healthcare or welfare. You mentioned a green card, which to me implies America, but I don't know which other countries have them. If you are planning to move to America to escape from big government, high taxes and high national debt I think you could end up disappointed.
    It would indeed imply America, but I'd rather have a dysfunctional monolithic government than one that is profoundly socialist.
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    (Original post by Pegasus2)
    His foreign policy?

    He wants to leave NATO, drop defence spending below 2% GDP and get rid of Trident.

    Are the Russians paying him or somthing?



    Hopefully all the way and he will never discuss or even utter a word about it ever again. Our navy, army and airforce are all very small compared to what they used to be and for a country our size.

    The RN surface fleet currently has:
    6 destroyers
    13 frigates
    assorted smaller ships

    Currently we spend 35billion on defence but 43billion maintaining the public debt.
    I don't necessarily agree with Corbyn's foreign policy(Labour leaders don't have a good history on foreign policy) but the idea that somehow it is Britain keeping the russians at bay is ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    Majority of Labour voters I know have said they will go to UKIP if jeremy is elected. Just because a few hundred thousand shout loud on the Internet and on the streets does not reflect the opinion of millions of working class voters. You do not win over people concerned about immigration, the EU, the economy, islamification and defence by being pro immigration, pro EU, anti market economy, pro islamification and anti defence.
    The vast majority of Labour voters I know in the large, ex-industrial mill town that I live in have said they will be voting for JC. I've not heard a single person talk about UKIP since May. Your right wing policies are old hat my friend.
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    yes i am and it was hence the name CoolCavy with Cavy = Guinea pig

    oh righto :laugh:
    But a Cavy = kangaroo
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    no, just no kangaroos are marsupials not rodents....

    Cavy definition = any of several short-tailed or tailless South American rodents of the family Caviidae, as the guinea pig, capybara, or agouti.
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    (Original post by YellowWallpaper)
    I doubt anyone gives a ****, apart from the 4.5% of people who voted for her.
    Of course no one gives a ****. She'd be leader if anyone did.
 
 
 
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