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The British actually had ownership of the Falkland Islands before Argentina as a country existed, therefor I think that Argentina has no right to claim the islands as theirs- even if they are in their waters.

The islands have also been British for around 180 years, and from the 2013 Falkland referendum we clearly know that they wish to remain British. We should stand up for the people living on the Falklands as they are British too, I fully support David Cameron's decision in rejecting the call by the UN to return the islands to Argentina.

The Argentinean government seems more interested in getting the island now that the UK's government has commissioned exploration to develop oil prospects around the island even though they publicly say that they are against it.
Original post by Rii.M
The British actually had ownership of the Falkland Islands before Argentina as a country existed, therefor I think that Argentina has no right to claim the islands as theirs- even if they are in their waters.

The islands have also been British for around 180 years, and from the 2013 Falkland referendum we clearly know that they wish to remain British. We should stand up for the people living on the Falklands as they are British too, I fully support David Cameron's decision in rejecting the call by the UN to return the islands to Argentina.

The Argentinean government seems more interested in getting the island now that the UK's government has commissioned exploration to develop oil prospects around the island even though they publicly say that they are against it.[/QUOTE]

It's a distraction from domestic issues for the masses, it will only let up if somehow Argentina stops having severe domestic issues.
Original post by an_atheist
How about, we give the population of the Falklands a referendum to pick which country controls them? We the west are champions of democracy aren't we?


We have done. From a 97% turnout only 3 people voted against remaining British.

Case closed.

Correction I misread it was a 91% turnout but the point remains.
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Original post by an_atheist
How about, we give the population of the Falklands a referendum to pick which country controls them?


You mean like the time we gave the population of the Falklands a referendum to pick with country controls them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum,_2013
Original post by BeastOfSyracuse
You mean like the time we gave the population of the Falklands a referendum to pick with country controls them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum,_2013


Corbyn should be referred to these results next time he wants to discuss sovereignty with Argentina.

It would be like us claiming the Faroe Islands simply because they're near us despite having no basis to whatsoever.
Original post by JamesN88
We have done. From a 97% turnout only 3 people voted against remaining British.

Case closed.

Correction I misread it was a 91% turnout but the point remains.


And one of those who voted 'against' it only did so because they preferred full independence.
Original post by Drewski
And one of those who voted 'against' it only did so because they preferred full independence.


Leaving Nationalism aside why the hell would you leave one of the world's strongest economies to join an economic basket case?
Original post by JamesN88
Leaving Nationalism aside why the hell would you leave one of the world's strongest economies to join an economic basket case?


The other two had family in Argentina and wanted it to be easier to get there to see them.


But for everybody else, there is no reason.
Original post by JamesN88
Corbyn should be referred to these results next time he wants to discuss sovereignty with Argentina.

It would be like us claiming the Faroe Islands simply because they're near us despite having no basis to whatsoever.


Corbyn has made clear he doesn't care about the islanders and he believes their position has no bearing on Argentine's (claimed) overriding sovereignty. He sees them as colonists, even though Argentina didn't exist when the UK settled it and they displaced no indigenous population.

As you say, there are many claims that could be made for territory simply by accepting the proposition that a mainland country inherently has rights to offshore islands. On that basis, Britain might belong to the French! New Zealand might belong to Australia! (in fact, Australia has a better claim to sovereignty over New Zealand than Argentina has to the Falklands)
Original post by BeastOfSyracuse
Corbyn has made clear he doesn't care about the islanders and he believes their position has no bearing on Argentine's (claimed) overriding sovereignty. He sees them as colonists, even though Argentina didn't exist when the UK settled it and they displaced no indigenous population.


Its interesting that the Argentinians claim it despite the above. When we got there originally it was empty. Some Spaniards came back to live there - after having done so beforehand and then leaving - and co-habited the islands with us, before leaving again.

When the Spanish originally moved to the island they displaced a bunch of French fishermen who were living there. The name 'Las Malvinas' comes from this - the French who lived there first were all from St Malo, they called the islands 'Les Malouines'. You can clearly see the etymology.

The French have a greater claim than the Argentines.
Original post by JamesN88
Corbyn should be referred to these results next time he wants to discuss sovereignty with Argentina.

It would be like us claiming the Faroe Islands simply because they're near us despite having no basis to whatsoever.


He frequently is referred to them

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Original post by BeastOfSyracuse
He sees them as colonists


By the same token, of course, the Argentines are colonists of the South American mainland.
Original post by JamesN88
Corbyn should be referred to these results next time he wants to discuss sovereignty with Argentina.


Well given that he clearly knew that everybody on the islands wanted to remain British, he evidently doesn't care about the people there and neither does anybody else who proposes to give it to Argentina.
Who cares whether we have them or not and who cares what the UN thinks


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Original post by Underscore__
Who cares whether we have them or not and who cares what the UN thinks


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The people that live on the Islands? Even the Argies there don't want Argentine control, which kinda says something about their government.
Original post by HucktheForde
Falkland Islands lie in Argentinian waters, UN commission rules

Argentina’s government is celebrating a decision by a UN commission to expand its maritime territory in the South Atlantic Ocean by 35% to include the disputed Falkland islands and beyond.

The Argentine foreign ministry said its waters had increased by 1.7 million square km (0.66 million square miles) and the decision will be key in its dispute with Britain over the islands.

Argentina lost a brief, bloody 1982 war with Britain after Argentinian troops seized the South Atlantic archipelago that Latin Americans call the Malvinas.The UN commission on the limits of the continental shelf sided with Argentina, ratifying the country’s 2009 report fixing the limit of its territory at 200 to 350 miles from its coast.

“This is a historic occasion for Argentina because we’ve made a huge leap in the demarcation of the exterior limit of our continental shelf,” foreign minister Susana Malcorra said. “This reaffirms our sovereignty rights over the resources of our continental shelf.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/29/falkland-islands-argentina-waters-rules-un-commission

Commission's ruling on Falkland Islands dismissed by UK

Britain has played down a report from a UN commission which rules that the disputed Falkland Islands lie inside Argentinian waters.

But David Cameron’s official spokeswoman said the UK government had not yet seen the full report, and stressed that the commission was merely an advisory body.

“It’s important to note that this is an advisory committee – it makes recommendations; they are not legally binding and the commission does not have jurisdiction over sovereignty issues.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/29/un-ruling-falkland-islands-dismissed-by-uk-argentina


Fight fight fight!!!


1.7m KMs is about 1.056 million miles.
http://www.onlineconversion.com
So your penis being 12cm may not be as big you hoped. Sorry.
Original post by Laomedeia
1.7m KMs is about 1.056 million miles.
http://www.onlineconversion.com
So your penis being 12cm may not be as big you hoped. Sorry.


Since when was it true that 1.62=1.6?1.6^2=1.6?
Original post by Laomedeia
1.7m KMs is about 1.056 million miles.
http://www.onlineconversion.com
So your penis being 12cm may not be as big you hoped. Sorry.


He said square KM's.
Original post by Jammy Duel
Since when was it true that 1.62=1.6?1.6^2=1.6?


The units may be different, but the same formulas apply.
Original post by Laomedeia
The units may be different, but the same formulas apply.


Yeah, a conversion from square KM to square miles is division by1.621.6^2, or 2.56, not 1.6.

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