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    Where did I do that?
    Well, you didn't make the argument, but you had your tongue up the ass of the guy who did.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Well, you didn't make the argument, but you had your tongue up the ass of the guy who did.


    I hope you realise that you just made yourself look like an idiot right?
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    (Original post by Roofas)
    Oh calm down, you'll have a brain aneurysm. I'll quote who I want.

    The UK economy, according to wikipedia is at $2.853 trillion and grew at 2.3% in 2015. 2.3% of $2.853 trillion is $65b. Net migration into the UK in 2015 was 323,000.

    That means that each migrant would have to have contributed $202,941 (£142,720) per capita/person to create just that surplus of 2.3% ($65b), ignoring the other $2.8 trillion produced to reach 'break even' and prevent a recession.

    Very obviously this is not the case. Let's be incredibly generous and say that each migrant contributes $41,787 to the UK economy, which is the UK population's average. 323,000 x $41,787 = $13,497,201,000 = $13 billion.

    $13,497,201,000 (maximum potential economic contribution of every migrant in 2015) is just 0.473% of $2.853,000,000,000 (total 2015 British GDP)

    So at the very maximum under this incredibly generous assumption we could claim that migration into the UK in 2015 contributed to only 0.5% of total British GDP. In reality we know that migrants don't contribute anywhere near $41,787 per person and as such that percentage, truthfully, is even smaller.

    Immigration is hardly the mighty engine of the British economy and you trying to slander me won't make it true. I'm certainly not a bigot and where did I even mention Islam or Muslims in my previous post?


    I agree with a lot of what you just said my friend, but my question here is how you arrived at a $41,787 figure per immigrant?
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    – FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...whites-blacks/

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    You also did it here, you mug. Maybe you should read the article before you post.

    "Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

    A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997."
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    Here are some more statistics you probably wont like

    In 2010, the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that African Americans receive 10% longer sentences than whites through the federal system for the same crimes.

    After being arrested, African-Americans are 33% more likely than whites to be detained while facing a felony trial in New York.
    When you've committed a crime, do you know what improves your chances of getting cut loose on your own recognizance until your trial and also improves your chance of getting a relatively short sentence if you are convicted? A JOB. I'll just sit here and wait for the statistics you will surely be citing to bolster some claim about how black people can't get hired and if they do, it's for less money or they get fired for the same things white people get away with . . . The BLM movement is not going to effect any positive change in the way society views and treats black people. In fact, quite the opposite. Does it make people want to treat black people with more respect and dignity when those involved with the Black Lives Matter movement publicly defecate on the American Flag, riot and destroy their own cities, and call "open season on crackers"? I think not. What gets you treated with dignity and respect in this world is BEING DIGNIFIED AND RESPECTFUL.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    You also did it here, you mug. Maybe you should read the article before you post.

    "Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

    A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997."
    I guess you also missed the part where my point is proven with this simple quote, you tosser.



    "The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that in 2004, state courts had over 1 million felony convictions. Of those, 59 percent were committed by whites and 38 percent by blacks. But when you factor in the population of whites and blacks, the felony rates stand at 330 per 100,000 for whites and 1,178 per 100,000 for blacks. That’s more than a three-fold difference."
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Because these gifs are funny and often express how posters feel at that point.
    I suppose the point I'm getting at is that I feel these gifs are often based on stereotyped perceptions of black people's behaviour (that it is exaggerated, outlandish, snippy etc) that themselves come from racism and systemic inequality; the media has played up to these stereotypes which provides a solid output of gifs

    I think those gifs are almost like an updated version of this cartoon below; it's outrageously racist (and from the 1930s I think) but basically you are seeing all the elements of behaviour that you see in the gifs

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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    White lives matter because people say you can't even be racist against us despite being the most tolerant people in the world to other races except for maybe the Chinese and Thai people. So because we are so tolerant that excuses you to abuse us? I don't think so.
    generic race bait thread is generic
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    I agree with a lot of what you just said my friend, but my question here is how you arrived at a $41,787 figure per immigrant?
    Well that figure is the value of British GDP per capita. This is the total value of the British economy in one year divided by the population, giving a sort of idea of the rough contribution of each citizen to the economy. At least that's the way I understand it, I'm not an economist.

    So all I did was calculate using that $41,787 value as a guide for what each immigrant would contribute also. While there are lots of skilled migrants there are also many on benefits and who work picking apples so I personally doubt it is an appropriate figure myself. I would imagine it's a fair bit lower but I doubt they keep real statistics regarding this matter.
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    I guess you also missed the part where my point is proven with this simple quote, you tosser.



    "The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that in 2004, state courts had over 1 million felony convictions. Of those, 59 percent were committed by whites and 38 percent by blacks. But when you factor in the population of whites and blacks, the felony rates stand at 330 per 100,000 for whites and 1,178 per 100,000 for blacks. That’s more than a three-fold difference."
    ... No.

    Here's what happened. You said that whites are twice as likely to be killed by police. You posted this article as proof. Same article actually says that while the raw numbers for police deaths are roughly twice as high for white people, the likelihood is three times higher for blacks. Don't start talking about felony rates, because that's not what we're talking about.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    ... No.

    Here's what happened. You said that whites are twice as likely to be killed by police. You posted this article as proof. Same article actually says that while the raw numbers for police deaths are roughly twice as high for white people, the likelihood is three times higher for blacks. Don't start talking about felony rates, because that's not what we're talking about.
    From 1988 - 1997 you stupid moron.

    The reasons for that happening during those years is not mentioned anywhere on the FBI's official website, the DOJ, the CIA. Nothing. So nothing meaningful can be made from that stat.

    BLM movement started around 2013/2014.

    Meaning your point is inherently flawed.
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    I suppose the point I'm getting at is that I feel these gifs are often based on stereotyped perceptions of black people's behaviour (that it is exaggerated, outlandish, snippy etc) that themselves come from racism and systemic inequality; the media has played up to these stereotypes which provides a solid output of gifs

    I think those gifs are almost like an updated version of this cartoon below; it's outrageously racist (and from the 1930s I think) but basically you are seeing all the elements of behaviour that you see in the gifs

    I don't think that current gifs using black people originates from a systemic racist behaviour, which existed in previous years. These gifs are influenced by memes that are used in many ways and to express many emotions or situations.

    The reason that I used Russell Westbrook was because the reporter asked a really weird question that his response was classic. The poster asked a similar sort of question and my reaction (when I read it) was the same with Westbrook. Hence, the gif.

    If you feel that Russell Westbrook's gif is influenced by a racist stereotype that people are unknowingly living up to, then here are others from non-black people.





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    From 1988 - 1997 you stupid moron.

    The reasons for that happening during those years is not mentioned anywhere on the FBI's official website, the DOJ, the CIA. Nothing. So nothing meaningful can be made from that stat.

    BLM movement started around 2013/2014.

    Meaning your point is inherently flawed.
    So you claim that white people are twice as likely to be killed by police than black people, and your proof for this is an article that says the exact opposite, but then you say the figures are too dated to matter anyway.

    Okay then.

    Glad we had this, uh.. Whatever this was.
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    (Original post by Roofas)
    Oh calm down, you'll have a brain aneurysm. I'll quote who I want.

    The UK economy, according to wikipedia is at $2.853 trillion and grew at 2.3% in 2015. 2.3% of $2.853 trillion is $65b. Net migration into the UK in 2015 was 323,000.

    That means that each migrant would have to have contributed $202,941 (£142,720) per capita/person to create just that surplus of 2.3% ($65b), ignoring the other $2.8 trillion produced to reach 'break even' and prevent a recession.

    Very obviously this is not the case. Let's be incredibly generous and say that each migrant contributes $41,787 to the UK economy, which is the UK population's average. 323,000 x $41,787 = $13,497,201,000 = $13 billion.

    $13,497,201,000 (maximum potential economic contribution of every migrant in 2015) is just 0.473% of $2.853,000,000,000 (total 2015 British GDP)

    So at the very maximum under this incredibly generous assumption we could claim that migration into the UK in 2015 contributed to only 0.5% of total British GDP. In reality we know that migrants don't contribute anywhere near $41,787 per person and as such that percentage, truthfully, is even smaller.

    Immigration is hardly the mighty engine of the British economy and you trying to slander me won't make it true. I'm certainly not a bigot and where did I even mention Islam or Muslims in my previous post?
    OH MY GODDD I AM LAUGHING AT YOUR STUPIDITY HAHAHAHA DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST DO THAT?

    You know nothing about economics do you? You've basically divided the number of migrants with the number of people in the UK and still would have got 0.5%.
    You're as stupid as it gets, i cannot be bothered to talk to someone who has no common sense.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-arti...EU-immigration

    I would try to explain it more to you but looking at the stupid error and flaws you just made just goes to show how bloody retarded you are. Im really not bothered to talk economics to someone as mentally incapable and stupid as you.

    Im not even lying when i say this but you are the most stupid person ive seen on TSR

    Education has truly failed you, i can just tell your gonna be a benefits scrounger in the future with your stupidity.
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    (Original post by Roofas)
    Well that figure is the value of British GDP per capita. This is the total value of the British economy in one year divided by the population, giving a sort of idea of the rough contribution of each citizen to the economy. At least that's the way I understand it, I'm not an economist.

    So all I did was calculate using that $41,787 value as a guide for what each immigrant would contribute also. While there are lots of skilled migrants there are also many on benefits and who work picking apples so I personally doubt it is an appropriate figure myself. I would imagine it's a fair bit lower but I doubt they keep real statistics regarding this matter.
    oh my god you are truly stupid, you use that to justify yourself wtf how dumb can you be
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    So you claim that white people are twice as likely to be killed by police than black people, and your proof for this is an article that says the exact opposite, but then you say the figures are too dated to matter anyway.

    Okay then.

    Glad we had this, uh.. Whatever this was.
    It proved the opposite for only a period of 9 years in America, not overall.

    Maybe reading isn't your strong point.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ty-d/?page=all
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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    White lives matter because people say you can't even be racist against us despite being the most tolerant people in the world to other races except for maybe the Chinese and Thai people. So because we are so tolerant that excuses you to abuse us? I don't think so.
    Despite being tolerant?

    Tell that to the Aboriginals, Native Americans, Africans, Indians of white tolerance


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    OH MY GODDD I AM LAUGHING AT YOUR STUPIDITY HAHAHAHA DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST DO THAT?

    You know nothing about economics do you? You've basically divided the number of migrants with the number of people in the UK and still would have got 0.5%.
    You're as stupid as it gets, i cannot be bothered to talk to someone who has no common sense.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-arti...EU-immigration

    I would try to explain it more to you but looking at the stupid error and flaws you just made just goes to show how bloody retarded you are. Im really not bothered to talk economics to someone as mentally incapable and stupid as you.

    Im not even lying when i say this but you are the most stupid person ive seen on TSR

    Education has truly failed you, i can just tell your gonna be a benefits scrounger in the future with your stupidity.

    You do realise that this article explicitly talks about EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION right?


    "European immigrants who arrived in the UK since 2000 have contributed more than £20bn to UK public finances between 2001 and 2011. Moreover, they have endowed the country with productive human capital that would have cost the UK £6.8bn in spending on education.
    Over the period from 2001 to 2011, European immigrants from the EU-15 countries contributed 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits. Immigrants from the Central and East European ‘accession’ countries (the ‘A10’) contributed 12% more than they received.- See more at: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration#sthash.CQUnsacL.dpuf "

    "European immigrants who arrived since 2000 are on average better educated than natives (in 2011, 25% of immigrants from A10 countries and 62% of those from EU-15 countries had a university degree, while the comparable share is 24% among natives) and have higher employment rates (81% for A10, 70% for EU-15 and 70% for UK natives in 2011) - See more at: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration#sthash.CQUnsacL.dpuf "
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    You do realise that this article explicitly talks about EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION right?


    "European immigrants who arrived in the UK since 2000 have contributed more than £20bn to UK public finances between 2001 and 2011. Moreover, they have endowed the country with productive human capital that would have cost the UK £6.8bn in spending on education.
    Over the period from 2001 to 2011, European immigrants from the EU-15 countries contributed 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits. Immigrants from the Central and East European ‘accession’ countries (the ‘A10’) contributed 12% more than they received.- See more at: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration#sthash.CQUnsacL.dpuf "

    "European immigrants who arrived since 2000 are on average better educated than natives (in 2011, 25% of immigrants from A10 countries and 62% of those from EU-15 countries had a university degree, while the comparable share is 24% among natives) and have higher employment rates (81% for A10, 70% for EU-15 and 70% for UK natives in 2011) - See more at: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration#sthash.CQUnsacL.dpuf "
    its the first one that came up on a google search

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...immigration-uk

    This is one that assesses it on a fiscal level i.e. just on taxation and government spending

    Migrants have a total net contribution, and when you use the theory of that idiot, it should be zero.

    Not to mention that they fill up job shortages in both high and low skilled jobs, e.g. doctors and cleaners

    Any economist would tell you the benefits of immigration is pretty evident.
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    Fair play, I'm not at all claiming you were racist in posting the gif and the one you posted really wasn't in the category I'm talking about.

    But I do think the existence of these memes arises from an imbalance in racial equality; black people are seen to be more emotional, more exaggerated, more outlandish and more entertaining. And I think these are traits often associated with an oppressed class, I'll have to dig out some historical examples but iirc the metics in Athens were similarly perceived.
 
 
 
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