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    MP Naz Shah suspended from Labour
    Suspended.....she should be kicked out, but I doubt that it will happen.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
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    MP Naz Shah suspended from Labour
    They won't kick her out.

    George Galloway would be back in a flash, and he's even more of a hardliner than Naz Shah.

    But maybe Corbyn wants that and he is engineering all this? :holmes:
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Naz Shah MP, a newly-elected Labour MP and close ally of Jeremy Corbyn has been forced to resign from her position as Parliamentary Private Secretary to John McDonnell, over her comments calling for all Jews in the Middle East to be deported to North America

    She shouldn't be resigning her position as PPS, she should be resigning from her position as MP.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7002276.html
    Oh lok it a muslims that said it.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    They won't kick her out.

    George Galloway would be back in a flash, and he's even more of a hardliner than Naz Shah.

    But maybe Corbyn wants that and he is engineering all this? :holmes:
    They are getting to the state where they may as well rename the party as "The Islamic Labour Party", it is more accurate and reflective of the party.
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    (Original post by slaven)
    Oh lok it a muslims that said it.
    Not sure what you're getting at. Perhaps you could clarify? (genuine question)
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    She got off lightly if you ask me
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    They are getting to the state where they may as well rename the party as "The Islamic Labour Party", it is more accurate and reflective of the party.
    "The Ethnic/Social Cleansing and the Genocidal Support Party" could be the new name for Conservative Party and it could affiliate itself with "The Pig ****ers Society for Social Progression", hmm?
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Not sure what you're getting at. Perhaps you could clarify? (genuine question)
    Prophed Muhamed used to deeply hate Jews because he was not able to convince them in his message. So, anti-semitism is coded in the Quran and Hadis.

    As a result religious Muslims need to hate Jews since it is part of the islamic religion. Thi explains why this MP hold extremists anti-semitic views and therefore wants to transfer all Jews from the Middle East to the US.
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    Hamas? Don't they keep their money in the same place as Dave and his dad?
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Actually it's not. The Akkadian name for Jerusalem was "uru-salim". Jerusalem comes from the Hebrew "Yarushalem".

    And of course the substantive issue here is that Jerusalem has been the metropolis of the Jews for thousands of years, and for much longer than Arabs and Muslims have lived there.

    So the hard left either have to accept that Jews are native to the Israel/Palestine area and that their claim predates that of the Arab Muslim invasion and waves of immigration that followed its conquest in the 7th century.

    Or you have to accept that the Jews claim predates that of the Arab Muslims but that many groups have come and gone through that area, including Jews, Samaritans, Hellenised Christians, Arabs and others, in which case the Jews' return to Israel in 1948 is no different from any of the other major waves of immigration and demographic change that have occurred continuously in that region. The Arabs have no more of an ironclad claim in perpetuity to that land than any other group including those groups they displaced.
    PRSOM. The hate for jews on this thread is beyond sickening
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    (Original post by slaven)
    Prophed Muhamed used to deeply hate Jews because he was not able to convince them in his message. So, anti-semitism is coded in the Quran and Hadis.

    As a result religious Muslims need to hate Jews since it is part of the islamic religion. Thi explains why this MP hold extremists anti-semitic views and therefore wants to transfer all Jews from the Middle East to the US.
    Well said, good comment. The hatred of the Jews in Islam goes back to the founder of the religion; the Jews of Arabia (and in the 7th century they were about 40% of the population) were educated and literate peoples, they weren't fooled by the appearance of this charlatan claiming to be receiving messages from god. And the Muslims will never forgive the Jews for that, for seeing through his facade. Mohammed slaughtered a good many Jews (including all the males, from age 15 to 70) of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe (who were hiding in their little fortress from the Islamic army and just wanted to be left alone). After he killed all the men and boys, he enslaved the women and children and converted them to Islam by force.

    The Jews of Arabia are now basically all gone. By the 18th century, all those Jews who had been in Arabia since long before the time of Mohammed had been expelled from the area corresponding to the ancient Roman province of Arabia Magna (basically modern-day Saudi Arabia). It took another 300 years but now pretty much all the Jews from Arabia Felix (corresponding to Yeman and Oman) have also been driven out. The Jews had lived in Yemen for millenia, there was even a Jewish kingdom in that area (the Himyarite Kingdom) from the 300s AD to the late 500s AD (one-hundred fifty years before the life of Mohammed).

    And of course, the Jews who used to be prolific in the Middle Eastern countries, like Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Tunisia... all gone. They were all forced to flee to safety in Israel. Slowly, country by country, the Jews have been "cleansed" from "Muslim lands". Israel really is the only place left in the Middle East where they can live (and somewhat apt given Israel is their native land).

    But now we have elements on the hard left and Islamists who want to drive them from Israel too. It's not enough that they were exiled from their homes around the Middle East in all the Arab countries (and it must be said, the Jews of Baghdad were perhaps as many as 30% of the city. Their yeshiva schools and rabbis were renowned across the Jewish world for the elegance, beauty and intelligence of their Jewish legal rulings). That's all gone now. And if the Islamist and hard left had their way, it would be gone from Israel too (and thus gone from the Middle East forever)

    I, for one, think that Island of tolerance in Israel is worth defending. I think it's worth defending that oasis of diversity in a region that is otherwise wall-to-wall Islam and where all other religious minorities (all of whom predated Islam) have been cleansed.
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    Hamas? Don't they keep their money in the same place as Dave and his dad?
    You mean in a bank? Wow, you really discredited them :rolleyes:

    What we do know is that Corbyn praised Hamas as an organisation quote "dedicated to peace and social justice". This is an organisation whose charter calls for all Jews worldwide to be killed (Article 7 of their 1988 Charter)
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    Astonishing. It all just keeps tumbling out; the tweet in the link to Order-Order shows her calling Hamas the legitimate resistance. For that comment, Corbyn can't defend it as he has said exactly the same himself.

    The vital part is that now Shah has been suspended from the party and the whip removed, the investigation into her *must* include in its terms of reference her comments about Hamas
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Well said, good comment. The hatred of the Jews in Islam goes back to the founder of the religion; the Jews of Arabia (and in the 7th century they were about 40% of the population) were educated and literate peoples, they weren't fooled by the appearance of this charlatan claiming to be receiving messages from god. And the Muslims will never forgive the Jews for that, for seeing through his facade. Mohammed slaughtered a good many Jews (including all the males, from age 15 to 70) of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe (who were hiding in their little fortress from the Islamic army and just wanted to be left alone). After he killed all the men and boys, he enslaved the women and children and converted them to Islam by force.

    The Jews of Arabia are now basically all gone. By the 18th century, all those Jews who had been in Arabia since long before the time of Mohammed had been expelled from the area corresponding to the ancient Roman province of Arabia Magna (basically modern-day Saudi Arabia). It took another 300 years but now pretty much all the Jews from Arabia Felix (corresponding to Yeman and Oman) have also been driven out. The Jews had lived in Yemen for millenia, there was even a Jewish kingdom in that area (the Himyarite Kingdom) from the 300s AD to the late 500s AD (one-hundred fifty years before the life of Mohammed).

    And of course, the Jews who used to be prolific in the Middle Eastern countries, like Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Tunisia... all gone. They were all forced to flee to safety in Israel. Slowly, country by country, the Jews have been "cleansed" from "Muslim lands". Israel really is the only place left in the Middle East where they can live (and somewhat apt given Israel is their native land).

    But now we have elements on the hard left and Islamists who want to drive them from Israel too. It's not enough that they were exiled from their homes around the Middle East in all the Arab countries (and it must be said, the Jews of Baghdad were perhaps as many as 30% of the city. Their yeshiva schools and rabbis were renowned across the Jewish world for the elegance, beauty and intelligence of their Jewish legal rulings). That's all gone now. And if the Islamist and hard left had their way, it would be gone from Israel too (and thus gone from the Middle East forever)

    I, for one, think that Island of tolerance in Israel is worth defending. I think it's worth defending that oasis of diversity in a region that is otherwise wall-to-wall Islam and where all other religious minorities (all of whom predated Islam) have been cleansed.
    Yes, I know all of this. The left cannot understand this and as a results all Jews in France vote for the FN. This trend will spread in whole Europe.
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    (Original post by slaven)
    Yes, I know all of this.
    No doubt, I'm sure you were aware of it. I suppose the comment was as much for the benefit of the thread and to point out just why it is so offensive to call for Jews to be deported from Israel, their homeland, and the last refuge for Jews to live in the Middle East which is the land of their origins.

    The left cannot understand this and as a results all Jews in France vote for the FN. This trend will spread in whole Europe.
    I guess maybe Jews voting for FN is perhaps akin to the gay division that the EDL has (along with Hindu division, Sikh division). Many different groups perceive the danger of Islam and it's bringing strange political bedfellows together
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    You mean in a bank?
    Terrorist shouldn't be able to use a bank!! Whats wrong with you.
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    (Original post by hovado)
    Terrorist shouldn't be able to use a bank!! Whats wrong with you.
    Mhmmm. And what does all that have to do with Hamas' own charter calling for all Jews worldwide to be exterminated?
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    (Original post by BasharAssad)
    why do Jews get special treatment? if she said 'Muslims' instead of 'Jews' nobody would gives a damn.
    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Admittedly, she does have a point.
    Time and time again you two have proved you are the human personification of fascists. I sincerely hope you join your friends in the grave soon
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    Time and time again you two have proved you are the human personification of fascists. I sincerely hope you join your friends in the grave soon
    Bring facts to the discussion, not fallacies.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Is it the 'left' generally? Or is it a particular faction within the left that aligns itself with Islamist political views? That's certainly the case with Galloway for example and it seems that way with this MP.
    Yes, you're right. It is a particular faction of the left. But they're a particular faction who believes that anyone who even slightly differs from their view on a certain agenda is right-wing, regardless of whether said view implies anything about their views on leftist political theories. But there are of course reasonable, intelligent leftists who think for themselves, who are not a part of this uniform faction. Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher are great examples.
 
 
 
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