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    They are being cautious and want to protect their country and it's people.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    we are still waiting for a viable definition of "fascists" in present times
    Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology. It implies:

    1. a society where the citizen is monitored from "cradle to grave". So education is replaced by a system of youth organisations; jobs are allocated according to state examination results rather than open applications; unions are controlled by the state; leisure, through sports, vacations, media, etc. is organised by the Government; etc. Only a very centralised, top-bottom administration can enforce such a system, and local powers are therefore only appointed.
    2. a single party that is merged with the administration. Public servants must be member of the party. The rank in the party determines the rank in the administration.
    3. (thus) that the highest member of the party is also the head of the state. The leader is charismatic -- he organises a personality cult around him -- and almighty.
    4. that fascists' goal is to recover the country's former glory through an aggressive foreign policy and an exclusive nationalism ("the country has been corrupted by traitors" ).

    Very few political movements match this description, and no country in the world is fascist.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology. It implies:

    1. a society where the citizen is monitored from "cradle to grave". So education is replaced by a system of youth organisations; jobs are allocated according to state examination results rather than open applications; unions are controlled by the state; leisure, through sports, vacations, media, etc. is organised by the Government; etc. Only a very centralised, top-bottom administration can enforce such a system, and local powers are therefore only appointed.
    2. a single party that is merged with the administration. Public servants must be member of the party. The rank in the party determines the rank in the administration.
    3. (thus) that the highest member of the party is also the head of the state. The leader is charismatic -- he organises a personality cult around him -- and almighty.
    4. that fascists' goal is to recover the country's former glory through an aggressive foreign policy and an exclusive nationalism ("the country has been corrupted by traitors" ).

    Very few political movements match this description, and no country in the world is fascist.
    you do realise that your definition (except, arguably, for point 4) also applies to most Soviet-type communist States ?

    so, what is the point of using a specific ideological category, "fascism" ?

    perhaps good old Hannah Arendt was on more solid ground, with her theory of "totalitarianism"

    the main characteristic which, in my view, defines fascism, is its opposition to parliamentary democracy joined with extreme social conservatism (but this, only in practice : in theory,fascists used to brag about their "revolution" and mostly started out as "socialists" who opposed bourgeois "decadence" etc etc)
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    (Original post by Josb)

    Very few political movements match this description, and no country in the world is fascist.
    fascism, in my view, should be put in its historical context : in particular between the two wars, as an extreme reaction to the "red scare", based on a mix of nationalism, anti-democratic militarism, but also "traditional" values : all this, helped by the Great Depression

    one can also speak of "fascism" in present days if he really wants to (as one can use other historical concepts such as "oligarchy", or "radicalism' etc) but one should be very careful in throwing around such labels, and should clearly explain his definition : to use it simply as an ideological hammer to hit on the head people someone doesn't like is stupid
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    you do realise that your definition (except, arguably, for point 4) also applies to most Soviet-type communist States ?
    No, because Soviet dictatorships advocated a complete control of the economy and the abolition of private property, whilst fascists only wanted to control the economy - without owning it.
    One could say that Stalinism was a more advanced form of totalitarianism.

    (Original post by mariachi)
    so, what is the point of using a specific ideological category, "fascism" ?
    I think people - especially left wingers - have said fascism so much - an ideology that is very narrowly defined - as a way to absolve Communism from its crimes.
    I prefer to use the words dictatorship or totalitarianism as they have broader definitions. The differences between the three main totalitarian regimes are indeed small.
    (Original post by mariachi)
    fascism, in my view, should be put in its historical context : in particular between the two wars, as an extreme reaction to the "red scare", based on a mix of nationalism, anti-democratic militarism, but also "traditional" values : all this, helped by the Great Depressionone can also speak of "fascism" in present days if he really wants to (as one can use other historical concepts such as "oligarchy", or "radicalism' etc) but one should be very careful in throwing around such labels, and should clearly explain his definition : to use it simply as an ideological hammer to hit on the head people someone doesn't like is stupid
    I agree.
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    http://www.thelocal.it/20160506/renz...er-border-plan

    Italy's EU approved Nelson Mandela wannabe PM not happy that the plan to turn Europe into a melting pot is not going to schedule.
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    They call White genocide natural selection

    Does that make it right?

    It's a great tactic to destroy a population.

    Find a population with a low birth rate lets say.. Japan

    Flood Japan with non-Japan and Asian immigration

    Intermixing, massive birth rate difference results in a Japanese minority


    Not very nice is it?
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    (Original post by Josb)
    No, because Soviet dictatorships advocated a complete control of the economy and the abolition of private property, whilst fascists only wanted to control the economy - without owning it.
    true - however, you did not include defense of private property among your 4 defining factors of fascism

    (Original post by Josb)
    I think people - especially left wingers - have said fascism so much - an ideology that is very narrowly defined - as a way to absolve Communism from its crimes.
    I prefer to use the words dictatorship or totalitarianism as they have broader definitions. The differences between the three main totalitarian regimes are indeed small.
    yes I believe that, at some moment, extreme left-wingers even used to call Soviet-type communism "State fascism"

    in reality, the main criterion of democracy is the freedom to oppose the Government: and this is the first victim of both Communism and Fascism
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    (Original post by Start the Fire)
    you're probably not a troll, just a cuckold
    LMAO!
 
 
 
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