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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    ...with the strongest military in Europe, second in the world,...
    Wooowww, that makes you reeeeally important

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    the most soft power in the world
    Nah, nobody cares what you say or think anymore. Has-beens.
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    (Original post by RachaelBee)
    If it was that simple there wouldn't be an argument for leaving.
    Nah, there are always nationalistic half-wits spewing hate. Just look around this thread. It's those people who have turned the UK into the laughing stock of Europe.
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    There's nothing wrong with being nationalistic. All it means is that UK people want to be governed by the UK and not by a federal European state.
    What's wrong with that? Why did we even have World War 2 if the people of the UK are happy to be ruled by a leader from another country?
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    The referendum is a sham only given to the British people to starve of the rise of Ukip and the deep unhappiness/resent growing amongst the working classes.

    Cameron only promised the referendum due to the rise of Ukip. It was the Tories way of trying to reach out to those suffering due to zero hour contracts, high rents and the social housing shortage. This is why he has backtracked from leave to remain, he never really wanted to leave the EU.

    It's easy just to blame immigrants and the EU rather than have to face the truth that your government is failing the working classes.

    This referendum should of taken place next year once we can see if the Syrian immigrated crisis get's better or worst, it's too soon to see if immigration will seriously harm the EU, Maybe give the EU the chance to reform? Remember if Merkal screws Germany she's gone and we have a new European Union leader, then everything changes. Not forgetting Camerons leaving and Trump/Clinton will be the president of America.

    Next year we will have a whole new political landscape. Ukip may rise again if people refuse to listen or care about the fears of the working classes. One things for sure, nobody knows the damage of staying in the EU or leaving. Dangerous times people and that's not even mentioning Russia/Ukraine.
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    The referendum is not a sham - its our first opportunity in 40 years to leave the EU. But Cameron only offered the EU referendum because he doesn't want to lose the euro-sceptic Tories to UKIP. Cameron has already tried to reform the EU and failed - this is never going to happen.

    If you wait till next year then the referendum has been and gone and you might not get another chance. Don't miss the boat, its either now or never.
    If you have had enough of the Tories and want Labour to have the power to end austerity, then the only way this can happen is if we are outside of the EU.

    The EU are to blame and not immigrants because the EU makes us take uncontrolled numbers of EU immigrants, which results in lower wages and increases in rent and property prices. You cannot expect the UK to take similar numbers as the USA or Canada or Australia and it to have no detriment on the economy - these are significantly larger countries that manage much better with high volumes of immigration. Controlled immigration is the best option for the UK because immigrants from outside the EU should not have to suffer discrimination just because they don't live in the EU.
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    (Original post by pmphillips)
    There's nothing wrong with being nationalistic. All it means is that UK people want to be governed by the UK and not by a federal European state.
    What's wrong with that? Why did we even have World War 2 if the people of the UK are happy to be ruled by a leader from another country?
    But we aren't being "ruled" by anyone. We're a member of a group that implements some legislation that we agree to follow. Most of that legislation has been overwhelmingly progressive and beneficial for us, far more than anything coming out of our government. If they ever actually do something we don't like, we can leave.

    Scaremongering.
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    Nice username...
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    if you do not want to vote because you do not care, or do not understand etc; then at least go and spoil your ballot!

    A spoilt ballot is better than not turning up to vote at all!
    Why?
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    (Original post by neal95)
    i urge people to vote us out of the european superstate! please exercise your vote its probably the most important one of your lifetime
    And what exactly is your proposal for this? "Superstate". I personally find it horrendous that so many are trying to remove us from the EU, and for what. An entrenched bill of rights and closed borders. The latter plus the forking out for higher importation/exportation costs is going to cost the public purse a fortune. It's going to be on the backs of workers, don't think the rich will come rushing to compensate.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    But we aren't being "ruled" by anyone. We're a member of a group that implements some legislation that we agree to follow. Most of that legislation has been overwhelmingly progressive and beneficial for us, far more than anything coming out of our government. If they ever actually do something we don't like, we can leave.

    Scaremongering.
    Exactly! People clearly aren't familiar with terms such as legal and political sovereignty. Despite effective delegation of some powers to the EU, we are not 'bound'. Say that they changed the ECHR and allowed for torture, we could literally just leave the EU. And then all delegated power is restored to Parliament where ultimate sovereignty lies.
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    common agricultural &fisheries policy
    enviromental policy
    workers rights
    competition law
    state aid
    human rights

    if you vote leave i will personally come to each one of your houses and slap your mother y'DUN KNO
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    Its not scaremongering its the truth. Since we joined the EU in 1973, when it was then called the EC, it has increased its legislative competence at every possible opportunity and will continue to do so. It is currently negotiating a transatlantic trade deal (TTIP) with the US, which will allow american companies to buy up large chunks of UK public services and operate them as businesses with the taxes paid to the US treasury. The EU is not the same as it was in 1973, it has fundamentally changed and it will continue to do so whether we stay in or leave. It has gone from 9 member states in 1973 to 28 member states today and there is no evidence to suggest that no more countries will join.

    The EU and the European Convention on Human Rights are not the same thing, there are 28 members of the EU and 47 Convention members.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Anyone who is eligible to vote but still doesn't should be ashamed of themselves.
    Get F*cked I'm not voting and I never will!
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    (Original post by JavaScriptMaster)
    Get F*cked I'm not voting and I never will!
    i just wish we'd have a dictator already you know?
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    (Original post by DIN-NARYU-FARORE)
    common agricultural &fisheries policy
    enviromental policy
    workers rights
    competition law
    state aid
    human rights

    if you vote leave i will personally come to each one of your houses and slap your mother y'DUN KNO
    1) Reason British fish stocks are now overfished directly contributing to the decline of those species in British waters
    2) Environmental Protection Act 1990 passed by our government, not the EU
    3) Barbara Castle's Equal Pay Act 1970 (not passed by the time travelling EU - passed by the UK Government)
    Neville Chamberlain's Holidays With Pay Act 1938 (also not passed by the time travelling EU)
    4) General Agreements on Tarrif and Trade (GATT) 1947
    The WTO
    Competition and Markets Authority along with all the other British regulatory agencies for this (Did you really think one of the world's greatest historical traders wouldn't have competition law? Even the Romans had it.)
    5) Not sure what point you're trying to make here considering the EU makes lots of state aid illegal
    6) We just missed out on having our new Bill of Rights passed because of the EU, plus the Government doesn't listen to the ECHR either

    Vote out pham
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    Why?
    It shows you don't care, or agree with the options; rather than not turning up, which would imply you are lazy [In most cases]
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    (Original post by Louise12307)
    Exactly! People clearly aren't familiar with terms such as legal and political sovereignty. Despite effective delegation of some powers to the EU, we are not 'bound'. Say that they changed the ECHR and allowed for torture, we could literally just leave the EU. And then all delegated power is restored to Parliament where ultimate sovereignty lies.
    We are bound by EU policies if we stay in whatever the UK Parliament thinks.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Look at who's backing remain and how heavy their vested interests are and how consistently wrong they've been in the past
    It is not just one side of the political spectrum that is backing remain. If you do not like e.g. David Cameron, you don't have to listen to a word he says. It is not about him anyway.

    My point is that unfortunately not enough people have sufficient media literacy and critical thinking skills to know it is better to stay. Your premise is false, so the argument you build on it is invalid since it has a faulty foundation.

    I urge everybody to vote remain! Our future depends on it.
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    (Original post by Louise12307)
    And what exactly is your proposal for this? "Superstate". I personally find it horrendous that so many are trying to remove us from the EU, and for what. An entrenched bill of rights and closed borders. The latter plus the forking out for higher importation/exportation costs is going to cost the public purse a fortune. It's going to be on the backs of workers, don't think the rich will come rushing to compensate.
    YES!! Do not buy into the notion that if we vote leave then we get rid of inequality or tax avoidance or corruption! Not even immigration!

    And to the people saying that it will:

    HOW DO YOU KNOW? No one has ever left the EU and some of the best economists and historians in the world have said it will be a disaster for world peace and to our economy. It is going to be on the backs of workers. And workers cannot take on that burden.

    Everybody is worse off with Britain outside of the EU.
 
 
 
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