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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    The refugees are uneducated too. Remember that. (ie. It's not really the topic of the thread)
    Whilst they are uneducated, what has that got to do with my comment? I don't understand.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Whilst they are uneducated, what has that got to do with my comment? I don't understand.
    I said educating muslim citizens is a more realistic strategy than deporting refugees. If the refugees are uneducated and they are mainly the problem then we don't know if the educated ones will be as bad.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    I said educating muslim citizens is a more realistic strategy than deporting refugees. If the refugees are uneducated and they are mainly the problem then we don't know if the educated ones will be as bad.
    Or just don't let them in and avoid the problem, the rational way of doing things.
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    Blimey. There's a lot of ******** and half truths on this thread.

    Takaful loans were proposed back in 2011 when the announcement that the fee increase to £9k would include changes to charge interest above inflation. Prior to that change there was no need for two systems.

    The lib dems pushed through the proposal which was consulted on in 2014 and in sept 2014 it was AGREED that it would be in place for 2016 academic year.

    Then the election happened and the agreement was shelved. Now it's back on the table but tied to the white paper so likely to take ages to get into legislation and then probably another year to be implemented. So with luck it will be in for the 2018 academic year.

    So that's 6 years of a student finance system that many muslims were unable or unwilling to take out loans to fund their studies - 3 years of which are down to delaying tactics from the current government.

    This should have (and could have) been in in 2012 if we didn't have incompetence in BIS.
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    (Original post by PQ)

    So that's 6 years of a student finance system that many muslims were unable or unwilling to take out loans to fund their studies
    They made their choice then.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    They made their choice then.
    Not really given that the proposal to introduce above inflation loans wasn't on any party's manifesto in 2010.

    The choice was made for them by an incompetent government who rushed through legislation without a proper impact assessment.

    If the loans were considered un-Christian there's no way they would have been implemented in 2012 without an alternative scheme.
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    (Original post by PQ)

    If the loans were considered un-Christian
    It wouldn't have even been a consideration
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    It wouldn't have even been a consideration
    By that do you mean they don't care about Christian interests or do you mean it wouldn't have been a consideration if it was un-Christian?
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    (Original post by dmcalinden)
    By that do you mean they don't care about Christian interests or do you mean it wouldn't have been a consideration if it was un-Christian?

    they don't care about Christian interests (and rightly so)
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    they don't care about Christian interests (and rightly so)
    You do know the composition of the House of Lords? And how many MPs (and cabinet members during the coalition) boast about their christian faith?
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    (Original post by Josb)
    In a few years, we'll have halal cars, halal flats, halal roads, halal schools, halal computers, etc.
    halal ackbar

    (I know it's allahu ackbar but that came to my head. )
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    (Original post by Josb)
    In a few years, we'll have halal cars, halal flats, halal roads, halal schools, halal computers, etc.
    Yeah sorry guys, we Muslims can only have cars where the fuel is from Saudi Arabia and the parts are blessed. Flats that were made by the hands of other Muslims, schools which are only full of Muslims. Halal computers that only show us Islamic stuff. Man I'm so excited and pumped for this! :P
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    (Original post by PQ)
    You do know the composition of the House of Lords? And how many MPs (and cabinet members during the coalition) boast about their christian faith?
    Of course I do this doesn't mean our laws are based on Christianity (and given the laws we are currently seeing this I don't know of anyone who would make such a claim)

    And yes I do and I have little time for them as well.

    But your post smacks of whataboutery that has little relevance to the Issue.

    I) we had a method of taking loans
    2) some muslims chose not to use this (this is their choice)
    3) Now we have 2 parallel systems (which are really the same) but the extra cost for running this will be burdened by ALL students


    If you follow my posts you will see I have no real issue with this other than all students footing the bill for a minority.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Of course I do this doesn't mean our laws are based on Christianity (and given the laws we are currently seeing this I don't know of anyone who would make such a claim)

    And yes I do and I have little time for them as well.

    But your post smacks of whataboutery that has little relevance to the Issue.

    I) we had a method of taking loans
    2) some muslims chose not to use this (this is their choice)
    3) Now we have 2 parallel systems (which are really the same) but the extra cost for running this will be burdened by ALL students


    If you follow my posts you will see I have no real issue with this other than all students footing the bill for a minority.
    And you're missing the point.

    1) we HAD a method for taking loans that worked for everyone
    2) the government changed that method in a way they KNEW would be discriminatory
    3) the government dicked about for 5 years and are still talking about fixing something they ****ed up
    4) there is no extra cost - SLC already administer 5 different loan schemes. A 6th will not add any costs.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    The government has announced a Halal scheme to encourage more Muslims to attend university, specifically, student loans that don't garner interest.

    The good news is everyone can apply, so we can all have Halal loans. While the set up is different the amount paid back is said to be the same, as it will be classed as a charitable donation and the loan itself will be drawn from a community fund (that's the public purse to you and me). Hopefully the scheme will be self sufficient within a few generations after enough loans have been repaid in. I mean after enough charitable donations have been made.

    Of course, details are still being finalized, the government is currently working on a way to make the 'charitable donation' legally binding...legally binding charitable donations, that must be paid and is deducted from your salary. Isn't that a fun thought, it's just a 'wizard' idea. Kudos Cameron !

    Is this a step in the wrong direction if we want to encourage integration, or is that not a thing anymore ?


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...niversity.html
    What a stupid policy. If they don't agree with current UK laws, and they want to follow extreme sharia laws, they can go to a ghetto like Saudi Arabia
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    Even though the Government has announced an alternative, it's unlikely that they'll do anything for a long time. It isn't a real priority for them. The only thing available now are a few young organisations like QardHasan. Even then, they're pretty young. I just hope they grow as much as they could. A few students I know have found them useful so who knows.
 
 
 
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