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    I'm loving the sensible, mature debate we're having here. Very civilised.
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    Also it's kinda hypocritical of those of you who voted to remove Ray as speaker to use the exams excuse
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    (Original post by SoggyCabbages)
    I'm loving the sensible, mature debate we're having here. Very civilised.
    It's usually better than this, I promise xD

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    Also it's kinda hypocritical of those of you who voted to remove Ray as speaker to use the exams excuse
    To be fair, it was a private poll though, so you can't assume people using that reason voted Ray out
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    I'm on the fence about this one, as someone who is nearing end of their exam period, I would accept the delay as a legit excuse. I also despise the use of the MONC/VONC in all forms and don't think any of the previous ones were justified (Lab minority and Lib/Lab spring to mind)

    The hypocrisy stinks, and by the low bar by which we we now judge a MONC this is valid.

    I do agree with all the concerns, the response to the CC was very arrogant and petulent, I'm sceptical about the activity of the Nat Libs, Govt output IS poor, progress on the budget is questionable.

    Petros makes the point that take exams out of the picture and the VONC is fair. Because of how much I detest all these VONCs I largely agree.

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    (Original post by cBay)
    Also it's kinda hypocritical of those of you who voted to remove Ray as speaker to use the exams excuse
    Definitely agree here.

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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    Is it not a question of desperation but rather a motion to remove a completely incompetent Government from power.
    The tories are not incompetent, they are just self-concerned opportunist. The conservatives aren't so much politicians as just businessmen, using the system and its laws to their own advantage. And quite frankly I'm surprised that the electorate can't see that because it doesn't stop some incompetent voter a member of the working class votes for them because their too ignorant to see through the ********.

    And another thing, if the United kingdom votes to stay in the European Union dictatorship on June the 23rd, it will confirm all my suspicions that the electorate hasn't got a ****ing clue.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I'm on the fence about this one, as someone who is nearing end of their exam period, I would accept the delay as a legit excuse. I also despise the use of the MONC/VONC in all forms and don't think any of the previous ones were justified (Lab minority and Lib/Lab spring to mind)

    The hypocrisy stinks, and by the low bar by which we we now judge a MONC this is valid.

    I do agree with all the concerns, the response to the CC was very arrogant and petulent, I'm sceptical about the activity of the Nat Libs, Govt output IS poor, progress on the budget is questionable.

    Petros makes the point that take exams out of the picture and the VONC is fair. Because of how much I detest all these VONCs I largely agree.

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    Yes, because obviously the follow up to the crisis was totally reasonable...

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Yes, because obviously the follow up to the crisis was totally reasonable...

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    Plausible (a bit exaggerated, but plausible) and your response was that you don't give a ****.

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Plausible (a bit exaggerated, but plausible) and your response was that you don't give a ****.

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    And it totally makes sense for the government to say "here you go RoI, take Northern Ireland"

    And of course it makes sense for the response to talks being "there should have been talks"
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And it totally makes sense for the government to say "here you go RoI, take Northern Ireland"

    And of course it makes sense for the response to talks being "there should have been talks"
    Am I right that you didn't actually give an official response to the CC follow up?
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    Man wakes up to a MoNC... Is this deja vu or what?
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    Quamquam123 I'm disappointed. If you're going to do something then let it not be so half cocked. By posting the MoNC during exam season you have let the government have an excuse that many will be empathetic to and as such you've wasted your opportunity. I'd only hope that should this motion fail you yourself find yourself at the end of a MoNC for failing to bring your party into government when the government probably has let itself down in terms of activity. That's not to say that our lack of activity isn't justified, as has been said plenty of times, it's exam season.

    Nay to this motion.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Am I right that you didn't actually give an official response to the CC follow up?
    No, it was unanimously agreed thst it was absurd and solely to push an Irish nationalist agenda and thus had descended to the absurdity of the previous crises and not worth dignifying with a formal response.

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    (Original post by cBay)
    Also it's kinda hypocritical of those of you who voted to remove Ray as speaker to use the exams excuse
    I hadn't thought of that lol

    Tbh I made a crappy choice, I should have stayed to protect my place at least - revision is so overrated.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    No, it was unanimously agreed thst it was absurd and solely to push an Irish nationalist agenda and thus had descended to the absurdity of the previous crises and not worth dignifying with a formal response.

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    That's outrageous. So in other words, no response to a government response to a crisis is acceptable, because you must be 100% right.

    The government had an OK initial response, but your response to the follow up rather than react to the new situation was to accuse it of bias. The point is to challenge the govt and force them to make a choice that ultimately has consequences. If you can't accept consequences don't play.

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    That's outrageous. So in other words, no response to a government response to a crisis is acceptable, because you must be 100% right.

    The government had an OK initial response, but your response to the follow up rather than react to the new situation was to accuse it of bias. The point is to challenge the govt and force them to make a choice that ultimately has consequences. If you can't accept consequences don't play.

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    No

    Given the whole point of the crisis seemed to be to try to get NI to be handed over to the RoI via a crisis apparently written by a known nationalist it did not deserve a response. There is not getting it right and then there is only being able to get it wrong because of an agenda being pushed.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Quamquam123 I'm disappointed. If you're going to do something then let it not be so half cocked. By posting the MoNC during exam season you have let the government have an excuse that many will be empathetic to and as such you've wasted your opportunity. I'd only hope that should this motion fail you yourself find yourself at the end of a MoNC for failing to bring your party into government when the government probably has let itself down in terms of activity. That's not to say that our lack of activity isn't justified, as has been said plenty of times, it's exam season.

    Nay to this motion.
    Not exam season for me. :dance:
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    Nay.
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    The Government: "We've got no time to write legislation because of exams." *spends all night fussing over the size of the shadow cabinet*
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    (Original post by cBay)
    The Government: "We've got no time to write legislation because of exams." *spends all night fussing over the size of the shadow cabinet*
    :laugh:
 
 
 
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