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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    It sounds like a noble idea however have you ever tried to get planning permission to build anything within 15 miles of someone's house in Norfolk?
    The definition of a Norfolk village is a house 15 miles from the next one.

    Anything closer and they call it Norwich
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm for Out but you guys really need to do some fact checking. Swiss economic growth is all of 0.7% at the moment, slower than France and Germany. You also forget that Ireland, Spain and Poland are booming.

    Don't fall into the trap of underestimating your enemy or you'll be caught out.

    UK GDP per capita: 41,000 US$
    Switzerland GDP per capita: 85,000 US $

    They are twice as rich as us.
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    the youth of today cant cope with a bit of adversity and will always try to talk our country down. I'm tired of hearing them say that this isn't possible because the experts said so. grow a backbone, look at the facts, stop being a corporate government shill and wake up. most of the students on here don't even see how alienated corbyn his from his traditional voters. how is immigration good for a generation of people whom globalisation has done no favours!!! why would they favour an open door policy?? they keep wingeing at you and say that oh workers rights will be eroded by the tories (leftist students), but atm these people are having their jobs taken by economic migrants. these migrants in the main come and live 10 to a house, paying not much rent and sending all their cash (remittances) back home. so, not only are they denying a young british family a place to live, they are doing unskilled jobs which we don't need doing by immigrants, receiving cash in hand, not paying tax and probably a lot of other questionable things which do nothing but harm our traditions and economy.
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    (Original post by james813)
    UK GDP per capita: 41,000 US$
    Switzerland GDP per capita: 85,000 US $

    They are twice as rich as us.
    Indeed. Germany are richer than us too.

    My point was not that the Swiss are poor, simply that people have a habit of underestimating Europe based on old news.

    As i say, i'm sure the UK will get richer whatever the result is.
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    ok, but there's going to be another Greek bailout; and the Italian banking crisis can only cause yet more problems for the Eurozone. Not denying recovery in other areas, I think we've found common ground there
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Its your word against almost all economists and major banks.
    The two last groups of people you should talk to about such things.

    Banks want everything to remain perpetually the same, like big businesses they are some of the most risk averse groups out there; as for the economists, well you know there is only one group that understands the economy less than politicians...

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    (Original post by james813)
    ok, but there's going to be another Greek bailout; and the Italian banking crisis can only cause yet more problems for the Eurozone. Not denying recovery in other areas, I think we've found common ground there
    Very true. The Euro-zone kicks the can down the road instead of taking a substantive approach.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The two last groups of people you should talk to about such things.

    Banks want everything to remain perpetually the same, like big businesses they are some of the most risk averse groups out there; as for the economists, well you know there is only one group that understands the economy less than politicians...

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    And Michael Gove / Boris Johnson want more power in the tory party, while Farage wants a white-only island with a few europeans on working holiday.

    I'm still with the banks on this one.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    And Michael Gove / Boris Johnson want more power in the tory party, while Farage wants a white-only island with a few europeans on working holiday.

    I'm still with the banks on this one.
    Riiiiiiight, and Kin Jong-Un actually did walk on the sun.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Riiiiiiight, and Kin Jong-Un actually did walk on the sun.

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    Its you who is saying there is a massive conspiracy involving all bankers, economists and politicians - so you insult yourself.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Its you who is saying there is a massive conspiracy involving all bankers, economists and politicians - so you insult yourself.
    You act as if it isn't widely known that the ideal world for banks and big businesses is one with no shocks and no chance of shocks.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You act as if it isn't widely known that the ideal world for banks and big businesses is one with no shocks and no chance of shocks.

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    As I said, still on the banks/economists side when it comes to some abstract concepts like sovereignty and independence versus the concrete fact that we will lose economic and political strength.

    But keep your tinfoil hat on, just in case they're scanning your brainwaves.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Its you who is saying there is a massive conspiracy involving all bankers, economists and politicians - so you insult yourself.
    You have no idea what goes on in the real world:

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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    You have no idea what goes on in the real world:

    Yeah, just chuck in some long-ass monologue of Godfrey Bloom, the guy who even Nigel Farage had to give the boot, and who said 'bongo bongo land'.

    He's MUCH MORE TRUSTWORTHY than the array of businessmen, bankers, economists and world leaders isn't he?
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Yeah, just chuck in some long-ass monologue of Godfrey Bloom, the guy who even Nigel Farage had to give the boot, and who said 'bongo bongo land'.

    He's MUCH MORE TRUSTWORTHY than the array of businessmen, bankers, economists and world leaders isn't he?
    Talk to anybody that's worked at the top of big business and they'll tell you that the last thing they want is even the suggestion that there is a tiny possibility of uncertainty

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Talk to anybody that's worked at the top of big business and they'll tell you that the last thing they want is even the suggestion that there is a tiny possibility of uncertainty

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    and that's a bad thing.. why? businesses aren't some smoky back rooms full of james bond villains, businesses provide jobs, growth, income - if we threaten businesses, we threaten all three of those.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    and that's a bad thing.. why? businesses aren't some smoky back rooms full of james bond villains, businesses provide jobs, growth, income - if we threaten businesses, we threaten all three of those.
    SMEs are where most of the growth and job creation is, they take risks because risk is how you grow, a risk free environment is one to keep cruising along as is, you have little prospect of significant growth, but collapse is also unlikely. For big businesses it's preferable to go on making large profits rather than risk collapse to boost profits.

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    SMEs are where most of the growth and job creation is, they take risks because risk is how you grow, a risk free environment is one to keep cruising along as is, you have little prospect of significant growth, but collapse is also unlikely. For big businesses it's preferable to go on making large profits rather than risk collapse to boost profits.

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    If you are wondering why big businesses are less likely to take risks, and small businesses are more likely to - then you're not worth my time.
    A small business worth several thousand is obviously going to take risks to expand because there is less to lose, and a big business will try to keep its value from slipping.

    And not sure why this is relevant anyway to be honest, smaller businesses will not be able to grow as quickly outside of the EU because there will be no free movement, the market will be closed off and it would take ages to get their workers set up with visas or to recruit foreign workers to come here.

    Small and big businesses will lose out, both of these are the main sources of jobs and income to this country. I value jobs and economic integrity far more than some pretend idea that having the ability to make our own laws gives us more democracy/sovreignty. That's why 90% of economists agree that a brexit is a significant risk, they aren't attaching themselves to 1930s-style European values. This is the 21st century, we are facing massive problems, the migrant crisis, wars in the Middle East, corruption, terrorism, global warming, Russian expansionism - dropping out of the main playing room is going to do ****all to stop this.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    SMEs are where most of the growth and job creation is, they take risks because risk is how you grow, a risk free environment is one to keep cruising along as is, you have little prospect of significant growth, but collapse is also unlikely. For big businesses it's preferable to go on making large profits rather than risk collapse to boost profits.

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    The news I've seen suggests that support for Brexit isn't widespread amongst SMEs. Most reports say its a fairly even split and some say that a slightly higher proportion support remain.
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