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    (Original post by Chakede)
    i think the intellectual flight has already begun.

    post eu britain will be fine - roll back to the 1940s, the 'ultra national pride of brits' and 'newfound sovereignty' will overcome the lack of brain power left in the country to run the banks, civil service ,business and industry and draw money into the economy.
    Doctors were leaving in their droves whilst we were already in the EU and the EU was one of the contributing factors to it, along with our own vile government in Westminster of whom we must revolt against through the democratic system and hold them to accountability.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Like Australia and Canada, right? What backward countries. Oh wait, no for years whilst IN THE EU we've needed Indian doctors to compensate for our own doctors leaving to go to these countries in their droves. The EU was contributing to a brain drain. Doctors were leaving for a better quality of life elsewhere whilst income inequality across the EU zone has risen by 10%.

    More nonsensical apocalyptic predictions coming........the remain side never learn.
    What makes you think that doctors are suddenly going to want to stay when we've left the EU?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    By what measure? Taking a cue from your use of "currently", growth in the UK was 2.2% in 2015. In France and Germany it was 1.2% and 1.7%.

    Looking forward, Germany has to find £3 billion a year to replace the UK's EU budget contribution while worrying about its exports to the UK after the EU, we are threatened, insists on trade tariffs, all while finding ways to accommodate and assimilate the people it has allowed to flood across the continent in such huge numbers.

    The fall in sterling and the addition of reciprocal tariffs combined adds 20% to the price of a German car in Britain, while making British cars no dearer for continental buyers. That seems like a recipe for increased UK growth.
    What British Cars? Which quoted car manufacturer is British? The cars made in Britain are made for companies resident in other countries. The iconic Mini is owned by BMW. Apart from operating some manufacturing within the UK to serve the British market why would BMW want to say maintain the Cowley plant? The profits they would have earned in the UK have just been devalued.

    Long term leaving may make some sense (time will tell) re the automotive industries but only if UK companies relaunch themselves into car manufacturing and our past record is not good; a standing start with no brand awareness is not easy.

    Nothing is impossible but realism is needed,10-15 years of difficulties may well be the price of exit re the car industry, there is no such thing as a free lunch
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Doctors were leaving in their droves whilst we were already in the EU and the EU was one of the contributing factors to it, along with our own vile government in Westminster of whom we must revolt against through the democratic system and hold them to accountability.
    doctors were going to eu to work also ( as two of my colleagues have) so eu was not the problem, it was down to an idiot mr h unt.
    it strikes me brexit votes have superimposed the issues they have with their own uk politicians on the eu. more ignorance

    it strikes me if you dont trust your own national politicians law-making ability, it makes sense to have an additional overarching body like the eu above them to protect the interests of every person . (eu employment legislation is a good example of this)
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    (Original post by IFoundWonderland)
    What makes you think that doctors are suddenly going to want to stay when we've left the EU?
    Our own democratically elected government will be accountable for EVERYTHING. We can replace them with a party that can use no excuses such as 'Its enshrined in EU legislation'. Parties in power will have to govern 100% and do what is in the interests of the British.

    I predicted short term shock. I also predict a period of recovery. I then predict long term economic growth and stability. Nobody said it would be easy and no pain, no gain. I am not deluded enough to think things will change overnight but neither does that deter me from making the sacrifices required to improve the situation long term.

    In the long term as quality of life improves and we eventually move back to a slightly left wing government, as there will be another revolution within the UK itself, I foresee more skilled professionals wanting to stay in that particular area. Nothing in life worth having is easy.
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    What British Cars?
    The cars manufactured in Britain. Regardless of who may ultimately own the factory they provide jobs for Britons and contribute to national wealth. The manufacture of cars in Britain is at near record heights.
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    (Original post by MrMackyTv)
    Actually, most places that voted leave are outside Westminster. Westminster has lost touch with the rest of the country, it is London vs the rest which is why many places such as Birmingham (which is ethnically diverse area (from first-hand experience)) have voted Leave. People are fed up of everything being centralised and it was an act of defiance.
    Speaking of Westminster, I think the problem is to do with Labour and Conservatives being 'out of touch' and the fact that we don't have a direct democracy like Switzerland. The Tories deliberately blocked off plans to lower voting age to 16. The Labour Party on the other hand is weak under Corbyn and it's time for a new leader to lead the opposition with an active NOT passive voice.
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    Likewise you Leavers are welcome to go live in some non-European country. They're at perfect liberty not to let you in - but hey, that's the way you guys want the world to work, right?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The cars manufactured in Britain. Regardless of who may ultimately own the factory they provide jobs for Britons and contribute to national wealth. The manufacture of cars in Britain is at near record heights.
    Well yes, but a devalued pound means the profits say Cowley earned for the owning company ,when reported in said owners consolidated accounts, just reduced. As business entities tend to look at profits re each establishment, right now BMW will be deciding if the economic case to maintain the factory is correct, it may be meantime.

    And when the models made come to the end of their natural life and retooling/changes in production lines are needed that profitability (in Euros) will be one of the determinants as to whether Cowley gets the new model or somewhere else gets it and Cowley closes.
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    (Original post by Chakede)
    doctors were going to eu to work also ( as two of my colleagues have) so eu was not the problem, it was down to an idiot mr h unt.
    Doctors have been leaving since the 1970s. Please tell me how that is down to Mr Hunt? Its quite clear you have no clue what you're on about. There is a reason the UK has a large Indian community that has integrated very well and its because we've needed them for decades to fill the void which was torn open when we joined the common market. That vile rat Thatcher supported the common market because she knew it would happen due to it being a corporatists wet dream, and her and the conservatives, as well as that scumbag Tony Blair continued her policies onwards. The only way to free ourselves from it is to leave the EU and then remove the disgusting rats in Westminster who need to be held to account. Part one of the plan has been pretty much achieved and the next revolt will be a left wing one whereby the people force out the Tories and take back the country into the hands of the common person. If only Tony Benn was alive to see it happen. What a man.

    Its disgusting seeing so many turkeys continuously voting for Christmas. By supporting the EU you are supporting Conservative supported policies endorsed by a witch named Thatcher. If you want to support the common person pay attention to the words of Benn, Scargill and Skinner. Even Corbyn is a sellout scumbag who sold his soul to appease slimeballs like Chuka and Kendall.

    it strikes me brexit votes have superimposed the issues they have with their own uk politicians on the eu. more ignorance
    The EU and Conservatives share many of the same ideologies. Why do you think Cameron and Osborne were so in favour? Why do you think Thatcher was? Why do you think old working class Labour MP's were Eurosceptic? Tony Benn would be rolling in his grave if he could see all of you idiots supporting staying in a corporatist wet dream.
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    Well yes, but a devalued pound means the profits say Cowley earned for the owning company ,when reported in said owners consolidated accounts, just reduced.
    Well, no. The lower pound would likely mean more cars sold, better efficiencies and higher profits.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Doctors have been leaving since the 1970s. Please tell me how that is down to Mr Hunt? Its quite clear you have no clue what you're on about. There is a reason the UK has a large Indian community that has integrated very well and its because we've needed them for decades to fill the void which was torn open when we joined the common market. That vile rat Thatcher supported the common market because she knew it would happen due to it being a corporatists wet dream, and her and the conservatives, as well as that scumbag Tony Blair continued her policies onwards. The only way to free ourselves from it is to leave the EU and then remove the disgusting rats in Westminster who need to be held to account. Part one of the plan has been pretty much achieved and the next revolt will be a left wing one whereby the people force out the Tories and take back the country into the hands of the common person. If only Tony Benn was alive to see it happen. What a man.
    ii am of indian origin so dont talk on my behalf einstein. most of the doctors i know have been happy to work here or come here from abroad to do so, till hunts moronic and pedantic campaigns. again he is not the eu, i imagine brexit will give many a bigger reason to leave. the eu has where it can to protect worker rights including the working time directive - more than the last labour government did for any worker fyi - get you head out of your rhetorical arse and look at what has actually happened
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    (Original post by Chakede)
    ii am of indian origin so dont talk on my behalf einstein. most of the doctors i know have been happy to work here or come here from abroad to do so, till hunts moronic and pedantic campaigns. again he is not the eu, i imagine brexit will give many a bigger reason to leave. the eu has where it can to protect worker rights including the working time directive - more than the last labour government did for any worker fyi - get you head out of your rhetorical arse and look at what has actually happened
    The same EU that subsidies the corporate elite and holds secret meetings is working in the interests of the common person? Yes, of course. How very Thatcherite of you. You idiots fail to realise that cow supported the entire thing for the very reason that it allowed right wing governments to exploit the masses to their own end.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Well, no. The lower pound would likely mean more cars sold, better efficiencies and higher profits.
    Higher sterling profits maybe lower Euro profits certainly, there is no philosophers stone here where you get a free lunch. And which are the owners interested in, Euro profits or Sterling profits? Hate to say it will be Euro profits as that is what they report in, that is the measure used when deciding dividends etc.

    https://www.bmwgroup.com/content/dam...W_Group_EN.pdf
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    Higher sterling profits maybe lower Euro profits certainly, there is no philosophers stone here where you get a free lunch. And which are the owners interested in, Euro profits or Sterling profits? Hate to say it will be Euro profits as that is what they report in, that is the measure used when deciding dividends etc.

    https://www.bmwgroup.com/content/dam...W_Group_EN.pdf
    You do realise that sterling is currently as high against the euro as it has been for about eight years prior to the second half of 2015 and that over 40% of British car exports go to non-EU countries, don't you?

    11% go to the USA, where sterling is low against the dollar, meaning they should increase.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    The same EU that subsidies the corporate elite and holds secret meetings is working in the interests of the common person? Yes, of course. How very Thatcherite of you. You idiots fail to realise that cow supported the entire thing for the very reason that it allowed right wing governments to exploit the masses to their own end.
    yes, the EU is the body that encourages free trade and growth of industry while at the same time promoting worker rights and social conscience. congratulations einstein youve just realise what an apolitical group is supposed to do - create achievements, not ignorantly bang on the rhetoric drum like the dumbass far right or far left ' activists' like yourself that just want everything to crash and burn.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Our own democratically elected government will be accountable for EVERYTHING. We can replace them with a party that can use no excuses such as 'Its enshrined in EU legislation'. Parties in power will have to govern 100% and do what is in the interests of the British.

    I predicted short term shock. I also predict a period of recovery. I then predict long term economic growth and stability. Nobody said it would be easy and no pain, no gain. I am not deluded enough to think things will change overnight but neither does that deter me from making the sacrifices required to improve the situation long term.

    In the long term as quality of life improves and we eventually move back to a slightly left wing government, as there will be another revolution within the UK itself, I foresee more skilled professionals wanting to stay in that particular area. Nothing in life worth having is easy.
    All you just did was shout anti-EU propoganda at me rather than actually specifically answering my question.
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    If the remainers left then how would the NHS cope and the country? Practically all doctors and business men voted to remain

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    (Original post by Chakede)
    yes, the EU is the body that encourages free trade and growth of industry while at the same time promoting worker rights and social conscience. congratulations einstein youve just realise what an apolitical group is supposed to do - create achievements, not ignorantly bang on the rhetoric drum like the dumbass far right or far left activists like yourself that just want everything to crash and burn.
    If its for the people, why did Thatcher, Cameron, Blair and co. support it so much? Its a corporatist protectionist racket. Inequality is rising across the entire zone, Greece is in despair but no one cares, the Spanish youth are unemployed and have had to move away from their families to find jobs in other countries and all because a bunch of bureaucrats want to enforce their ideological vision upon people.

    No. I want a democratic-socialist sovereign UK with a global outlook that has a society built around people, not corporations that continuously get tax reliefs and handouts. If you want that unequal, unjust and immoral society then go live in another European country or the USA.

    (Original post by IFoundWonderland)
    All you just did was shout anti-EU propoganda at me rather than actually specifically answering my question.
    No, I answered you. Its not my fault if you cannot get there by yourself. I'll give you an answer for dummies as it seems to be required here.

    In short, the UK will in the long-term, after the recovery and a further revolt, go on to be much stronger and therefore many more people will wish to remain due to higher wages and a better society to live in. I hope that helps. Sometimes I forget I need to simplify my answer for simple people.
 
 
 
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