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    (Original post by jneill)
    FIne Art is Oxford - I stated that.

    Also re Medicine not being vocational, and you not trusting Wiki when it says it is

    Here's a different source:
    "Medicine is a vocational degree"
    https://www.prospects.ac.uk/careers-...egree/medicine
    So now just because a website says a subject is vocational I'm supposed to just trust it?

    Medicine is an academic discipline just as much as training for a specific job, this much is self evident from the intense and in-depth amount of studying you do. That is why you are awarded a 'bachelors' degree and not an advanced NVQ.

    But I digress, I have derailed this thread for too long
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    (Original post by stevey396)
    No - everyone would be able to attend eventually. Those who can't afford it at first will have to find a job (yes, a JOB) and save up. This will teach workshy little oiks that they can't have everything handed to them on a plate and have to work hard before they reap the benefits. It will also discourage those who aren't cut out for uni from going, saving them from wasting three years of their life.
    So your complaining about students being spoilt and not having everything handed to them yet say those from well off families should get direct entry?



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    (Original post by jneill)
    What's the unemployment rate for CompSci grads?

    Agree about languages though.

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    Very low.
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    (Original post by LillyB14)
    But thats competition over how much money the students parents have, not how high their grades are
    Snob.


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    Why is it competition over how much money your parents have? Most people's parents don't pay their tuition fees.


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    (Original post by stevey396)
    Agreed. It's outrageous how these selfish students are spending the taxpayers money on drinking, partying and holidaying and then have the audacity, the unmitigated gall, to claim that they're poor. It's all take, take, take with students, and they give back nothing but a horrific attitude. Chuck them out on the streets where they belong.
    Oh ok lets scrap uni altogether and have a completely uneducated future generation. Mind you, even the educated people can't seem to undo the **** the older generations have got us in


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    (Original post by mercuryman)
    Very low.
    quack quack oops

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    (Original post by jneill)
    quack quack oops

    dammit
    but your graph lacks detail.

    http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...mputer+science will tell you that RG unis have extremely high graduate prospects for CS, rivalling vocational courses.
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    (Original post by mercuryman)
    dammit
    but your graph lacks detail.

    http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...mputer+science will tell you that RG unis have extremely high graduate prospects for CS, rivalling vocational courses.
    Shhhh.... don't mention vocational courses.

    By the way, if you want detail how about 25% unemployment for Computing at Imperial
    http://m.unistats.ac.uk/subjects/emp...eturnTo/Search



    And neither St Andrews nor Lancaster nor Swansea are in the RG, yet are in that top 10.

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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    But I digress, I have derailed this thread for too long
    Very true.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Languages are useful in and in of themselves though, they are very much a transferable skill on their own as opposed to say, something like philosophy which isn't useful in it's own right but may develop useful skills like critical thinking etc. Do you see the difference?

    But Media Studies and Journalism are hardly what you call well-established subjects, are they? English has been around a lot longer than journalism (as in the language itself) and is more academic. Media Studies and Journalism are more soft and vocationally based subjects and jobs than english, like photography (yes, I know I keep harping on and on about photography, I just think that as university course it is so pointless)
    I agree that languages are useful, but that's not to say subjects like philosophy aren't useful either. I think it's a mistake to separate subject from the skills that subjects teaches you; critical thinking is a useful skill to have therefore any degree which teaches you to think critically is also useful.

    Depends how you define well-established. English started to be taught at some universities in the early 19th century, but the first English BA wasn't offered until the turn of the century. English degrees have in been around for about 100 years whereas Media Studies first appeared in the 1960s - is a difference of only 50 years enough to claim one subject is established and traditional, and the other is not? I don't think so.

    (Original post by jneill)
    Polar Studies ? (Snufkin )
    :thumbsup: :snowm: :banana:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Depends how you define well-established. English started to be taught at some universities in the early 19th century, but the first English BA wasn't offered until the turn of the century. English degrees have in been around for about 100 years whereas Media Studies first appeared in the 1960s - is a difference of only 50 years enough to claim one subject is established and traditional, and the other is not? I don't think so.
    English used to be talked about the way media is now :yes:
    "The first problem to contend with was the contempt in which English studies were held at the university. Seen as the ‘soft option', a woman's subject, and the ‘poor man's Classics', it was derided for its supposed lack of substance, and for the problems it was thought to present in terms of assessment. E. A Freeman, an opponent of the proposed School, warned of devoting an Oxford institution to ‘mere chatter about Shelley': ‘There are many things fit for a man's personal study, which are not fit for University exams. One of them is “literature” (…) we cannot examine in tastes and sympathies'. In fact, even some of those who stood up for the School defended it in derogatory terms. Thus, it was argued that an English School would not interfere with the‘Greats' School and, furthermore, that ‘it would be really advantageous if it drew off the weaker candidates.' Similarly, one commentator recommended the School on the condescending grounds that ‘ the women should be considered, and the second and third-rate men who were to become schoolmasters.'"
    https://www.academia.edu/2550098/A_S...nglish_Faculty
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    (Original post by PQ)
    English used to be talked about the way media is now :yes:
    "The first problem to contend with was the contempt in which English studies were held at the university. Seen as the ‘soft option', a woman's subject, and the ‘poor man's Classics', it was derided for its supposed lack of substance, and for the problems it was thought to present in terms of assessment. E. A Freeman, an opponent of the proposed School, warned of devoting an Oxford institution to ‘mere chatter about Shelley': ‘There are many things fit for a man's personal study, which are not fit for University exams. One of them is “literature” (…) we cannot examine in tastes and sympathies'. In fact, even some of those who stood up for the School defended it in derogatory terms. Thus, it was argued that an English School would not interfere with the‘Greats' School and, furthermore, that ‘it would be really advantageous if it drew off the weaker candidates.' Similarly, one commentator recommended the School on the condescending grounds that ‘ the women should be considered, and the second and third-rate men who were to become schoolmasters.'"
    https://www.academia.edu/2550098/A_S...nglish_Faculty
    Wiki: In a letter to a friend, describing America, Freeman wrote, "This would be a grand land if only every Irishman would kill a negro, and be hanged for it".

    Turns out he died of smallpox. Such a shame.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    I can understand Cambridge, Durham and maybe Royal Holloway raising their fees but Kent?
    (Original post by fefssdf)
    I can understand Cambridge ect demanding more but Kent .....
    Apparently the teaching is very good - as is often the case with non-research intensive universities.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Wiki: In a letter to a friend, describing America, Freeman wrote, "This would be a grand land if only every Irishman would kill a negro, and be hanged for it".

    Turns out he died of smallpox. Such a shame.
    Urgh

    What a charmer
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    (Original post by Assan)
    Apparently the teaching is very good - as is often the case with non-research intensive universities.
    I guess so I mean I can't comment cause I don't go there lol
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    (Original post by fefssdf)
    I guess so I mean I can't comment cause I don't go there lol
    I know plenty of alumni.

    The point being that while universities at the top of the rankings are wise choices for a number of reasons, it is no secret that, generally, with some exceptions, the less research-focused a university is, the more dedicated its staff are to teaching and student learning.
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    Jo Johnson has published the ministrerial statement about this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026
    http://www.parliament.uk/business/pu...07-21/HCWS117/

    The increase will apply to all students in 2017/18 (including continuing students)
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    Part time second degree funding for STEM subjects extended to cover subjects allied to medicine; biological sciences; veterinary sciences, agriculture and related subjects; physical sciences and mathematical sciences. (but still no mention of the promise to extend this to full time support)

    Nursing and Health Professional funding moved to loan system - with funding for second degrees confirmed.

    Funding for PGDips in Nursing/Health professions starting after 1st August 2017 is still unconfirmed
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    (Original post by Assan)
    I know plenty of alumni.

    The point being that while universities at the top of the rankings are wise choices for a number of reasons, it is no secret that, generally, with some exceptions, the less research-focused a university is, the more dedicated its staff are to teaching and student learning.
    That is probably true ; maybe I should've considered this when making my choices but then again my two choices both have good study support eg. Dedicated teaching officer for first years so should be alright ...
 
 
 
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