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    (Original post by pilock)
    Do you eat raw steak, chicken, and fish?
    You can eat raw steak and fish, as well as bacon and pork. You can, strictly, eat raw chicken, but it can cause salmonella as our digestive tracts are longer than that of other animals which do eat raw chicken, so the bacteria is given longer to colonise, increasing infection likelihood.

    Humans, originally, weren't meant to eat meat. Eventually, however, due to a combination of self-awareness and natural selection, it became a necessity that we ate meat to survive. That is why many people use human teeth as proof that humans "shouldn't eat meat" - we have teeth comparable to those of herbivores, not carnivores - this is simply because our cultural and necessary transition to meat-eating occurred faster than evolution of teeth.
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    (Original post by Atlas Thugged)
    I can confirm I have never gone into a field, killed a cow with my bare hands and taken a bite out of its body, but you can eat raw steak, I have done so many times, it tastes excellent with herbs and seasoning.
    I'm not dead, deal with it :cool:
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    We can eat raw meat, though.

    However, due to the presence of harmful bacteria and parasites, it's usually safer not to. But it really depends on the animal, if it's infected, etc.

    Predators have developed immunities to these things. Millions of years ago our ancestors didn't cook their meat eather. However, with the discovery of fire and cooking, we slowly lost these immunities. Additionally, domestication of animals made the spread of disease and parasites worse.
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    (Original post by pilock)
    Ahhh yes I see you cant argue against the rational points on my post.

    At the end of the day- Humans dont need to eat meat and anyone thats says so is an ignorant fool.
    There's no points to argue against. You're waffling about how we're not carnivores. I've not disagreed with that. The problem lies in you not understanding that not carnivore =/= herbivore. You're creating a false dichtomy.

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    You said that, and I quote, "we lack a number of specific adaptations for that, the ability to digest cellulose for one" BUT WE NEED CELLULOSE ANYWAY.
    But as I said: WE. CAN'T. DIGEST. CELLULOSE. IT PASSES STRAIGHT THROUGH

    Would you like to give me some more physiological adaptations (or lack of) for me to refute then?

    We'll start then with our much shorter intestine than that of a herbivore.


    You're adamant on the idea that we're opportunistic omnivores, would you care to explain why?
    Same reason I'm adamant the sun rises in the east - because it's fact.

    We get all the nutrients from plants, we need nothing from animal products to survive and yet we're opportunistic omnivores.
    Just plain incorrect. Dietary Vitamin B12 is derived from animal sources

    I'm responding more than maturely and at least I'm not basing my information off personal beliefs.
    Claiming humans are herbivores isn't based off any kind of fact



    Here's a study on fossilized feces, but I can find some more studies if you're not able to use google for yourself for some reason, and if this doesn't float your boat.

    "most of which were predominantly herbivorous (26, 46, 52, 57), as is the case today"

    http://link.springer.com/chapter/10....-4684-2481-2_8
    PREDOMINANTLY not EXCLUSIVE



    Human pH ranges from 4 - 5
    Carnivore pH is 1 - 2
    Well this is just plain false - any source for your human gastric acid pH claim?

    Anyway, somehow we've focused on evolution and ancient humans. Again, many diseases are caused by meat, dairy and egg consumption. Clearly this makes the consumption of said foods extremely natural and we should because we're opportunistic omnivores as you say, but what do me and my friend science and empirical evidence know.
    Science and evidence aren't your friend - pseudoscience is your friend if you're claiming falsehoods.

    As for the idea that illnesses means we shouldn't eat it; putting aside the problems with intensively reared meat, as with everything Sola Dosis Facit Venenum (the dose makes the poison) - opportunistic omnivores ate predominately fruits and seeds, with meat added when available (as I've said so many times - like talking to a brick wall), not as the core of a diet.

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    (Original post by pilock)
    I am saying humans dont need to eat meat. There is no MEANT about it.
    Lol 10/10
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    (Original post by pilock)
    Do you eat raw steak, chicken, and fish?
    steak and fish yes
    chicken no
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    (Original post by M14B)
    Have you consumed anything you should not have tonight?
    No

    You're the one you said "Humans aren't meant to eat meat", and therefore shouldn't.- I pointed out another thing we aren't "meant" to do but still do, including yourself.

    I'm not the one who is cherry picking arguments about what we aren't meant to do so shouldn't or should. You are so I fail see your point.
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    Of course you can eat raw meat. Good luck not getting ill.
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    Humans have evolved on the basis of being able to cook. We essentially used to have a second stomach. The appendix, it would help us digest all the grass and whatever else we'd eat at the time. Since learning to cook however, the appendix basically stopped being needed and gradually decreased in size until it became a useless thing that can occasionally try to kill is. It's just evolution. The "natural" thing for us to do now is to cook. So the raw meat argument is invalid.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm vegetarian. Your argument is just stupid.

    Edit: Just wanted to add vitamin B12 as an example. It's very common in grass and animals that eat grass. We used to eat grass ourselves back when the appendix was actually useful, but since learning to cook we started getting it from eating the animals instead. Without meat (or at least milk), there's actually no "natural" way for us to get vitamin B12.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    There's no points to argue against. You're waffling about how we're not carnivores. I've not disagreed with that. The problem lies in you not understanding that not carnivore =/= herbivore. You're creating a false dichtomy.



    But as I said: WE. CAN'T. DIGEST. CELLULOSE. IT PASSES STRAIGHT THROUGH




    We'll start then with our much shorter intestine than that of a herbivore.




    Same reason I'm adamant the sun rises in the east - because it's fact.



    Just plain incorrect. Dietary Vitamin B12 is derived from animal sources



    Claiming humans are herbivores isn't based off any kind of fact





    PREDOMINANTLY not EXCLUSIVE





    Well this is just plain false - any source for your human gastric acid pH claim?



    Science and evidence aren't your friend - pseudoscience is your friend if you're claiming falsehoods.

    As for the idea that illnesses means we shouldn't eat it; putting aside the problems with intensively reared meat, as with everything Sola Dosis Facit Venenum (the dose makes the poison) - opportunistic omnivores ate predominately fruits and seeds, with meat added when available (as I've said so many times - like talking to a brick wall), not as the core of a diet.

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    Amazing presentation of facts! I had a discussion with this fool 'pilock' yesterday and he has no clue. Well done.*
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    Humans are not MEANT to mix jägermeister with redbull either. And yet...
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    How in the name of **** did this thread get to 8 pages?

    10/10.
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    You can. It's just safer to cook it.Also a freshly killed animal is going to be body temperature. Which is the preferred temperature people like eating food at.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    But as I said: WE. CAN'T. DIGEST. CELLULOSE. IT PASSES STRAIGHT THROUGH
    Cellulose, also known as dietary fiber is required within the human body, just because we cannot digest it doesn't mean we don't need it. Cows who eat purely grass MUST break down cellulose into glucose for respiration, and therefore have specialised digestive systems just for this process. We do not because of our very varied diet (and before you throw your personal opinions and say "yes including animals" - glucose is produced by plants and this is where every animal gets it from.

    But let me level with you, I only eat plants (and thus cellulose) I really don't know how I'm alive right now ://////////////// I can't digest it and every day is a struggle ://///////////// Please send help right away.



    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    We'll start then with our much shorter intestine than that of a herbivore.
    We'll start then with our much longer intestine than carnivores or omnivores*


    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Same reason I'm adamant the sun rises in the east - because it's fact.
    Care to use some evidence to back up your facts? Didn't think so.


    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Just plain incorrect. Dietary Vitamin B12 is derived from animal sources
    Just plain incorrect. B12 is given to animals, B12 is produced by bacteria. Again, please use google.

    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Claiming humans are herbivores isn't based off any kind of fact
    I've been using facts and studies and you've been using personal opinions and mine are the ones not based off any kind of fact.



    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    PREDOMINANTLY not EXCLUSIVE

    Let's compare PREDOMINANTLY to human diets today



    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Science and evidence aren't your friend - pseudoscience is your friend if you're claiming falsehoods.
    Please don't recomment without using some real scientific evidence yourself

    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    As for the idea that illnesses means we shouldn't eat it; putting aside the problems with intensively reared meat, as with everything Sola Dosis Facit Venenum (the dose makes the poison) - opportunistic omnivores ate predominately fruits and seeds, with meat added when available (as I've said so many times - like talking to a brick wall), not as the core of a diet.
    Humans are BEST suited to eating a plant based diet - this makes us herbivores. Just because humans eat meat does not suddenly make us omnivores, we simply do not have the anatomical adaptations to deal with it . For example, following your logic, we might aswell call cats omnivores as they can be seen eating grass (to aid in digestion). NO.



    Here's also a man who ate a plane, oh **** guys, we're plane-i-vores

    Heart disease is the number one killer, here's a study on how vegans have 26% less heart disease and 68% less diabetes: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/

    It is this belief that humans are omnivores is what will kill you, literally.
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    (Original post by Another)
    I eat raw bacon all the time
    Pork is pretty bad to eat raw compared with beef, but even then you're unlikely to die from it. OP is a vegetarian shill, he clearly hates humanity and our natural inclinations to devour less creatures.
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    (Original post by pilock)
    Why does it have to be cooked?

    If humans are meant to eat meat- then why can they survive without eating meat and still be healthy?

    Just because you can do something it doesn't mean you are meant to do it. Just because you were born into a society were something is the norm- it doesn't mean it was meant to be that way. Just because something has been happening for thousands of years it doesn't mean it has to continue happening. All these arguments that are made for meat is weak.
    Ever heard of sushi and steak tartare?
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Ever heard of sushi and steak tartare?
    OP is a salty vegetarian, he doesn't care about facts. You can see this from the low test passive-aggression inherent in his posts, you must eat at least one steak every day to to avoid turning into him.
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    (Original post by Atlas Thugged)
    OP is a salty vegetarian, he doesn't care about facts. You can see this from the low test passive-aggression inherent in his posts, you must eat at least one steak every day to to avoid turning into him.
    Must be all that testosterone that he's lost huh
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    If the good Lord had meant us to eat raw food He would not have given us fire.
    All the myths agree that we stole it for ourselves.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    All the myths agree that we stole it for ourselves.
    The Good Lord helps those who help themselves.
 
 
 
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