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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    An interestingly transphobic reading of that paper , but that does seem to be common factor in those who wish to erase trans people from society

    a paper published 5 years ago using data from at it;s newest 13 years ago and going back over 50 years ...

    I also think you need to understand the pathway , and the post transition factors at play

    also the overall budget for GICs and GRS is change down the back of the sofa ( £22 million ish out of a £100 billion) ... also the implication that somehow beigntrans can be cured by psychological therapies sounds rather like the discredited 'conversion therapy' much beloved the religious right .
    Because anyone who disagrees with SRS is transphobic. :rolleyes:

    Considering they followed the subjects for 30 years, I'm not sure if the study could've been done much later

    Money better spent elsewhere if you ask me.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    for someone who asserts to be close to the issue interesting use of slur words there ...
    Transgenders is a slur? Wow okay. (Plus some transgenders call themselves trannies, what now? )
    And the way I've used it wasn't in a purposefully rude way, I'm not just insulting transgenders.
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    (Original post by Electrospective)
    Because anyone who disagrees with SRS is transphobic. :rolleyes:

    Considering they followed the subjects for 30 years, I'm not sure if the study could've been done much later

    Money better spent elsewhere if you ask me.
    - you are relying on 50 year old data

    - you seem to assume that GRS is a magic bullet when it isn;t

    - you are demonstrating your own ignorance of the pathway
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    (Original post by PQ)
    Because cis people also commit suicide - dysphoria isn't the only reason for suicide

    Because trans people even post transition face discrimination and bigotry and hatred

    Because transphobia in mental health care is common and so trans people seeking help for depression or other mental illness unrelated to their transition are often denied care (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/09...-arm-syndrome/ )

    What level of suicide rate among post-transition people would you accept?
    Exactly, this is what I have been saying. The physical surgery isn't the sole solution. There are far more obstacles to be addressed in order to live a happy life
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    (Original post by saraxh)
    Actually no. One of my family members took so many treatments that made her worse to the point where it killed her so please don't tell me if a cancer patient refuses furthur treatment they'll die.
    Ah okay and if she didn't take any treatment at all, you think she would've been better off?
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    (Original post by Napp)
    It's stupid to say the first thing you said which solely related to chemo and made no mention as to surgery, radio therapy etc.

    No it's not especially funny, if you actually knew what drugs are used in Chemo you'd know that calling it poison is about as accurate a description as possible. I never once said nor implied it doesn't save lives, don't make up ********.
    Can't possibly be comparable to poison if it makes you better..
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    might help if you actually understood the pathway in the NHS and the wider international evidence and consensus in the WPATH guidelines ...
    I know enough to formulate an opinion that nobody asked you to agree with.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    - you are relying on 50 year old data

    - you seem to assume that GRS is a magic bullet when it isn;t

    - you are demonstrating your own ignorance of the pathway
    Did you read my point. They followed the subjects for 30 years, how new did you want it to be? 2014?

    It's not. In my opinion, it should only be an option for very few people, and for those people, they should have to pay for it themselves. For the majority, they (scientists, doctors) should find other alternatives.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Ah okay and if she didn't take any treatment at all, you think she would've been better off?
    Yes tbh
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    (Original post by Electrospective)
    Did you read my point. They followed the subjects for 30 years, how new did you want it to be? 2014?

    It's not. In my opinion, it should only be an option for very few people, and for those people, they should have to pay for it themselves. For the majority, they (scientists, doctors) should find other alternatives.
    what alternatives are there other than disproven and discredited ones which reinforce cis-normative heterosexual models ?
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    (Original post by saraxh)
    Yes tbh
    Right okay
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Can't possibly be comparable to poison if it makes you better..
    No it kills cancer cells, that is by no stretch of the imagination the same as 'makes you better' it usually makes people a great deal worse before there is any improvement.
    You think blast radiation [as another example] is good for you? You think anti fungals are good for you? These drugs and procedures are designed to kill cells/spores. In what possible way could they be 'good' for you?

    You appear more than very ignorant on the medical front here though.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    what alternatives are there other than disproven and discredited ones which reinforce cis-normative heterosexual models ?
    Research must be done. But GRS is not the answer. It might be a form of therapy, but I don't know.
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    (Original post by Electrospective)
    Research must be done. But GRS is not the answer.
    really

    despite the evidence and despite the evidence you are using to discredit GRS actually strongly supporting GRS as a part of the care of transpeople along with the other interventions currently undertaken ...
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    really


    despite the evidence and despite the evidence you are using to discredit GRS actually strongly supporting GRS as a part of the care of transpeople along with the other interventions currently undertaken ...
    Look at post no. 129 on page 7, then get back to me. If anything I've discredited the "evidence" given to be that was pro-GRS.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Exactly, this is what I have been saying. The physical surgery isn't the sole solution. There are far more obstacles to be addressed in order to live a happy life
    If you want trans people to have better lives then:

    1. Start treating us like we can make decisions about our bodies ourselves rather than needing cis people to tell us what to feel.

    2. Stop being transphobic and fight transphobia and transphobic discrimination when you see or hear it.

    3. Listen to what trans people want and need. Don't tell us what we should want. Demand other cis people listen to us as well.

    4. Celebrate transness rather than see it as something to be eradicated.

    We'll sort out doing what we want with our bodies to reduce any physical dysphoria we feel. Y'all can deal with getting rid of the systematic oppression that you force us to live with everyday.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)

    Don't blame trans people for societies transphobia.

    Also, I have depression and severe body image issues due to an eating disorder. I'm also trans. Gender dysphoria is very different from depression.
    I never blamed anyone for anything. If gender dysphoria is so different from depression then it should be treated by specially trained professionals and not normal psychiatrists.

    On a sidenote: I know from relatives that psychiatrists can be terrible when trying to treat depression. They open wounds where there were non.
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    (Original post by Galaxie501)
    I never blamed anyone for anything. If gender dysphoria is so different from depression then it should be treated by specially trained professionals and not normal psychiatrists.

    On a sidenote: I know from relatives that psychiatrists can be terrible when trying to treat depression. They open wounds where there were non.
    You're aware that Gender Identity Clinics are where trans people are approved for hormones and surgeries, right? It's not part of standard mental health services. The counsellors and psychiatrists etc. in GICs gatekeep ridiculously and the quality of treatment is disgustingly bad but they are 'specialists'.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    This article addresses a similar issue

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-lamar-beyonce

    "All kinds of people have been weighing in on the politics of Kendrick Lamar and Beyoncé’s recent performances. But sometimes, just sometimes, it’s black voices that matter most"
    In the article you linked and in the person I quoted's post, it came across as "you're not one of us therefore you don't have to like to speak about this issue." Obviously that's just rude and unjustified. I'm quite surprised that my post got taken down actually, I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of complaining about discrimination and then going on to discriminate against others. Though, I suppose I should expect this sort of thing from a website that's becoming increasingly like a safe space.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    If you want trans people to have better lives then:

    1. Start treating us like we can make decisions about our bodies ourselves rather than needing cis people to tell us what to feel.

    2. Stop being transphobic and fight transphobia and transphobic discrimination when you see or hear it.

    3. Listen to what trans people want and need. Don't tell us what we should want. Demand other cis people listen to us as well.

    4. Celebrate transness rather than see it as something to be eradicated.

    We'll sort out doing what we want with our bodies to reduce any physical dysphoria we feel. Y'all can deal with getting rid of the systematic oppression that you force us to live with everyday.
    Nice list, and I'm happy to conform
 
 
 
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