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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    London doesn't count buddy
    why?!

    have you been to an actual 95%+ Muslim region outside of Europe? I have, and they didn't come out with knives trying to behead the ill-dressed females
    what was wrong with the predominantly muslim community that I visited already? why are you moving these goal posts arbitrarily? and why won't you explain why you have these arbitrary boundaries?
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    so many Muslims abandon Islam lmao... you think so one-dimensionally
    you were the one saying that it was impossible!:
    " And how do you realistically expect someone to completely abandon every aspect of life.
    Imagine you going to China and being expected to have fully adopted their way of life, its simply not possible. "
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    why?!



    what was wrong with the predominantly muslim community that I visited already? why are you moving these goal posts arbitrarily? and why won't you explain why you have these arbitrary boundaries?
    Because you haven't experienced Muslims in their own community, it is important to see what life is actually life when Muslims are fully in charge and non-Muslims are borderline non-existent, they are surprisingly friendly.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    you were the one saying that it was impossible!:
    " And how do you realistically expect someone to completely abandon every aspect of life.
    Imagine you going to China and being expected to have fully adopted their way of life, its simply not possible. "
    Neither does "every aspect of their life" constitute to their religion, nor was I talking solely about Muslim immigrants
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Because you haven't experienced Muslims in their own community, it is important to see what life is actually life when Muslims are fully in charge and non-Muslims are borderline non-existent, they are surprisingly friendly.
    it *was* their own community - I didn't seem more than a mere few "normal people" in that place - it was like a different country. it was by all means "their own". they made it their own. there was arabic on shop signs.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Because you haven't experienced Muslims in their own community, it is important to see what life is actually life when Muslims are fully in charge and non-Muslims are borderline non-existent, they are surprisingly friendly.
    So the solution to Islam is get rid of it or 100% of humans become Muslims.

    I see.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    it *was* their own community - I didn't seem more than a mere few "normal people" in that place - it was like a different country. it was by all means "their own". they made it their own. there was arabic on shop signs.
    but not their own country, and they had all seen many westerners in their lives and the same day

    the places I've been, the children hadn't seen westerners their entire lives
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    So the solution to Islam is get rid of it or 100% of humans become Muslims.

    I see.
    for a classic 5-year-old perspective as for you, maybe
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    but not their own country, and they had all seen many westerners in their lives and the same day

    the places I've been, the children hadn't seen westerners their entire lives
    I never said they weren't "westerners" though, did I...and what is your implication of that? that islam = non-western? so islam can't integrate in the west? exactly.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    for a classic 5-year-old perspective as for you, maybe
    So you as a 5-year old are telling me that is your solution. Get rid or all become Muslim?

    Good to know.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    I never said they weren't "westerners" though, did I...and what is your implication of that? that islam = non-western? so islam can't integrate in the west? exactly.
    Boring old strawman extrapolations

    try again at reading what I said
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    So you as a 5-year old are telling me that is your solution. Get rid or all become Muslim?

    Good to know.
    I'm telling you that your logic is lesser than that of a 5-year-old and you're a troll and you know it.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I'm telling you that your logic is lesser than that of a 5-year-old and you're a troll and you know it.
    Why are you always talking about yourself? I have asked you this before btw...
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    We have FAR greater problems than some minor political interfering.

    Islam is compatible with western democracy, by definition, we have freedom of religion. Muslims have adapted and do not literally 'strike down non-believers' because they are decent human beings, its a few primitive extremists who exploit it.

    And so what if Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal? What about all the old-boy tories who opposed the equal marriage law? You don't understand, you want democracy, but you want to ban a religion because of what some of its followers think. That is Orwellian-style authoritarian government dude.

    And there is no lack of integration, just your cute imagination catalysed by hateful media articles
    Of course I understand freedom of religion and worship, I said on my previous thread that the rights of Muslims must be respected and protected. The fact is 52% believes homosexuality should be illegal, whereas the UK average on disapproval is only 24%. Muslims and non-Muslims have significantly different beliefs on Western equality values, if you like I can bring up the surveys on gender equality too. Your so called 'extremists' originates from the Muslim population, and this is why we must do something about it. Your 'pick and choose' mentality is merely an attempt to try to deflect the blame on the real issue.

    You seem to feel that you have a position to defend on moral grounds, regardless of any justified reasoning behind your opposite argument's motives.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    There is no point quoting polls or statistics to him, he just ignores them.
    I just feel that whenever I point out the obvious disparity in values between Muslims and non-Muslims, the OP immediately tries to deflect the attention to something else, ignoring the problem I was highlighting. 'What about the tories'... 'but that's just the extremists'....

    I don't know if he thinks I have a short attention span, or that he himself has it.
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    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    I just feel that whenever I point out the obvious disparity in values between Muslims and non-Muslims, the OP immediately tries to deflect the attention to something else, ignoring the problem I was highlighting. 'What about the tories'... 'but that's just the extremists'....

    I don't know if he thinks I have a short attention span, or that he himself has it.
    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    Of course I understand freedom of religion and worship, I said on my previous thread that the rights of Muslims must be respected and protected. The fact is 52% believes homosexuality should be illegal, whereas the UK average on disapproval is only 24%. Muslims and non-Muslims have significantly different beliefs on Western equality values, if you like I can bring up the surveys on gender equality too. Your so called 'extremists' originates from the Muslim population, and this is why we must do something about it. Your 'pick and choose' mentality is merely an attempt to try to deflect the blame on the real issue.

    You seem to feel that you have a position to defend on moral grounds, regardless of any justified reasoning behind your opposite argument's motives.
    Once again you simply don't understand that democracy permits freedom of religion and speech, regardless of how bitter beliefs are. You can't go around hating Islam for what they think without contradicting what your own society stands for.

    And as I said, beliefs aren't a problem so long as they aren't acted upon.

    Find me a poll which says 52% of Muslims would willingly kill a gay person and I'll be worried.
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    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    I just feel that whenever I point out the obvious disparity in values between Muslims and non-Muslims, the OP immediately tries to deflect the attention to something else, ignoring the problem I was highlighting. 'What about the tories'... 'but that's just the extremists'....

    I don't know if he thinks I have a short attention span, or that he himself has it.
    Oh no, he has for sure. I have the same experience as you 😀
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Once again you simply don't understand that democracy permits freedom of religion and speech, regardless of how bitter beliefs are. You can't go around hating Islam for what they think without contradicting what your own society stands for.

    And as I said, beliefs aren't a problem so long as they aren't acted upon.

    Find me a poll which says 52% of Muslims would willingly kill a gay person and I'll be worried.
    Is killing the thing you want to see, before you finally realise the problem? Isn't it enough that 52% of Muslims wants to ban homosexuality and therefore would most likely to bully and disown fellow gay Muslims?

    Your defence on Islam has blinded you to the point of ignoring the basic rights of gays and woman.
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    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    Is killing the thing you want to see, before you finally realise the problem? Isn't it enough that 52% of Muslims wants to ban homosexuality and therefore would most likely to bully and disown fellow gay Muslims?

    Your defence on Islam has blinded you to the point of ignoring the basic rights of gays and woman.
    I'm pretty sure that 5 years ago, 52% of old people / tory supporters wanted the same tbh
 
 
 
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