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    (Original post by Dez)
    This is basically the definition of an irrational fear though, that is, one that doesn't have a factual basis behind it. Fear of flying in general is irrational, as it is in fact far safer than almost any other means of transport. Fear of spiders is irrational (at least in the UK), since very few arachnids are actually harmful to humans. Yet people still have these fears, and in this case it almost lead to an innocent man being arrested. That's unfortunate, in my view. The world would be a better place if people didn't fear terrorists, after all, fear is exactly what the goal of terrorism is.

    Also a quick note, I have not once used the words "evil" or "Islamaphobic" in this thread, so please don't try and shove words into my mouth (or keyboard).
    It is not an irrational fear for a human being, who can't fly without the aid of technology, to fear being 30,000 ft in the air in an airplane that could drop out of the sky for any number of reasons, (and they do). Even if there had never been a single death attributed to air travel, a fear of flying is perfectly normal. To not fear it is to have more faith in machines than I have.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    I'm assuming those other factors would probably be their brown skin colour, style of clothing, and perhaps the use of Arabic in spoken conversation - all characteristics racialised to fit the modern image of terrorists.

    The simpleton who reported the family would probably have a heart attack if the above characteristics were combined with a random use of "Allah" in speech.
    As I said above, I personally come from a Muslim family. My mum regulates her self whilst on public transport - shouting Allahu Akbar wouldn't make anyone feel comfortable. Yes the guy who complained was probably (I won't jump to any conclusions) a bigot. But hundreds of others on the plane weren't.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    'if one man dies, the whole of humanity dies as well'.
    I suggest you read those verses in full (5:29-38 should suffice), lest you are left with the false impression that that is really what is meant. In fact, you will find the opposite is true.
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    (Original post by Qaz25)

    Yes, because fearing the religion followed by 1 billion people, of which less than 1% have violent tendencies really is rational.... not!
    1% of a billion is 10 million.

    The biggest army in the world, the People's Liberation Army (China), has 2.3 million personnel.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    1% of a billion is 10 million.

    The biggest army in the world, the People's Liberation Army (China), has 2.3 million personnel.
    realistically its a lot less than 1%
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    (Original post by BioStudentx)
    And as for the rest of your points, I think the guy should have acted differently. Personally, I come from a Muslim family. Whenever we are about to travel via car my mum says a Muslim prayer, "bismillah...". However, my Mum has enough personal awareness to know that on public transport this is wrong and she regulates herself. With everything going on in the news with ISIS, she knows people are tense and scared.
    Acknowledged. She probably didn't need to read the Quran in that exact place in that exact time.

    This does get more complicated if it was speech though. This particular group could speak English but imagine a group of Muslims who can't. They have no choice but to converse in Arabic. It would be wrong to expect them to not speak for the entire journey, which on a plane could last several hours.
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    (Original post by SuperHuman98)
    Passenger should be fined for time wasting
    Couldn't agree more.

    It's not the first time I read something about a muslim/s getting taken out of planes and of course, they're always innocent thus whoever reported them should be punished in someway, otherwise, people would just do it out of spite/hatred. How would they like it if they were inconvenienced?

    Arabic is the 5th/6th most spoken language in the world so you're obviously going to encounter those who speak it. Also, languages like Urdu use the same alphapet which will mean there are MORE people being accused. Those making these false allegations are not likely to be able to make that distinction so more and more people will be subjected to the same thing which isn't fair.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    The Nazi analogy is a little simplistic, but the fundamental principle still applies.
    No. It absolutely does not. The situation of Jews in 1930s Germany and Muslims in 21st C UK are in no way comparable.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    No. It absolutely does not. The situation of Jews in 1930s Germany and Muslims in 21st C UK are in no way comparable.
    It is the principle, rather than the strict, absolute equivalence that applies.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    unfortunate consequence of UK being on heightend terror alert in relation to islamist extremism.
    please follow all instructions on planes to turn off mobile or electronic devices
    If it was early enough for them to be kicked off the flight it was early enough for phones to be allowed. Also have you been on a plane recently? You're allowed to have your phone on


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    (Original post by Ladbants)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ims-they-were/

    They were kicked off the plane at Stansted airport because a passenger thought that they were writing a text message in Arabic, which later turned out to be false.
    To be fair so were saying about the Corsicans. "They attacked innocent muslims without any good reason"
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    (Original post by Reue)
    They were taken off and questioned because someone reported that they were looking at illegal isis material on their phone. The police questioned them and then allowed them back on the plane.

    If someone had reported a passenger was looking at illegal child porn on their phone you would expect the exact same response.

    Seems like an entirely reasonable reaction by the airline and police.*

    "They were taken off and questioned because someone reported that they were looking at illegal isis material on their phone"

    A few questions how did the person know it was isis material? Did the person who reported it speak arabic ? If not how did they make that assumption , was it because the text was not in english or because the people reading it were brown ? And lastly lets make the assumption these people understood arabic (they didnt ) is it now illegal to read arabic in public?
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    (Original post by BasicMistake)
    The article also says it was a digital copy of the Koran. Unless it also had pictures of the ISIS flag and/or photos of guys waving AK-47s, Vividly clear is correct.
    As ISIS derives its motivation and justification entirely from the Quran and sunnah, and always includes passages from the Quran in its statements following attacks, it could be argued that the Quran is indeed, "ISIS material".
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    (Original post by Vividly clear)
    It wasn't ISIS propaganda, it was the Qur'an online. Not everything written in Arabic translates to Islamic terror
    As ISIS derives its motivation and justification entirely from the Quran and sunnah, and always includes passages from the Quran in its statements following attacks, it could be argued that the Quran is indeed, "ISIS propaganda".
    We would certainly call Mein Kampf "Nazi propaganda".
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    But do we all agree the passenger was a bit of a bimbo?

    "Arabic writing = ISIS propaganda"
    Yes, it seems very common to confuse different things.

    "Opposition to Islam = Anti-Muslim bigotry"
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    (Original post by Emperor Trajan)
    Yes I'm aware. But I would like to know how you've arrived at the statements you've made (a Muslim would likely contend). Did you take into consideration context and clarification by a well reputed tafsir or a Muslim scholar on the relevance of such statements as "behead non-believers" in light of the 21st century?
    I know. Do you want an explanation or was it a rhetorical question?
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    The passenger and airline did the right thing - much better to be safe than sorry.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Islamaphobia is on the rise, people becoming more ignorant and right wing, prejudice and profiling increasing, anti-Muslim programs e.g. Prevent are being introduced...
    in your opinion, why is this happening ?

    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Won't be long until Muslims will be forced to wear bright yellow cresent moons stitched into their clothes by the looks of it...
    I think you are dramatizing the situation

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    (Original post by Qaz25)
    Lol.

    You know TSR has got a seriously extreme anti-Islam problem when even the top rated Daily Mail comments are supportive of the Muslim trio interrogated because of a false allegation. Whilst this thread is generally supportive of the passenger who fabricated the allegation :rofl:

    Someone mentioned earlier that a fear of Islam is rational.

    Yes, because fearing the religion followed by 1 billion people, of which less than 1% have violent tendencies really is rational.... not!

    Let's face it, if we go by those statistics, we should be fearful about every white man because you never know, he could be a rapist. Especially women, as it was revealed not so long ago that quite a large proportion of women have faced sexual harassment in the workplace of all places :afraid:

    This isn't the first incident of this nature, and nor do I think it will be the last. People enjoy living in fear of the most unlikely events whilst driving their cars/smoking cigarettes/drinking alcohol <--- all of which are statistically more likely to kill you. But yeh, the media always talks about Islamist terrorism. So that must be the most likely way we're all going to die :gasp:

    /sarcasm
    Like so many people, you confuse "Islamic ideology" and "The behaviour of Muslims".
    Two different things.

    And as far as the plane incident goes, what do you suggest people do? Wait until they are 100% certain that an individual is about to carry out an attack? People report innocent actions to the police all the time. Why are these events not front page news? Why aren't the reported people hawking themselves round papers and TV channels claiming discrimination?
    Both parties deserve "support" because both acted in good faith, as far as we know.
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    (Original post by Bokkex)
    "They were taken off and questioned because someone reported that they were looking at illegal isis material on their phone"

    A few questions how did the person know it was isis material? Did the person who reported it speak arabic ? If not how did they make that assumption , was it because the text was not in english or because the people reading it were brown ? And lastly lets make the assumption these people understood arabic (they didnt ) is it now illegal to read arabic in public?
    I agree that everyone seems to have overreacted (passengers, security)

    however, there are now special circumstances, which make an excess of caution understandable, if not entirely justified. This will last, until these random "allahu akhbar" attacks have stopped. I am afraid that this is next to unavoidable. As they say, better safe than sorry.

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