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    (Original post by QE2)
    Whatever partitions are devised, there will always be somebody with an axe to grind.
    That is true, but the level of carelessness in the partitioning is this case is clear. A little more effort would have saved a lot of trouble down the line. Yes, it is partly due to the prevailing religion in the region. But how many terrorists do you think actually care that much about the religion? Do all gang members join gangs for the money? There are usually other factors to everything.
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    Personally I don't think religion ruins the world, to me religion is just one aspect of the world. Imagine it is like a tool, the tool itself does not have meaning or purpose, it depends on how people use it. For example, a knife is supposed to be a tool for chopping, for preparing food, but in the hand of a demented mind, it is a tool for killing. So too the religion, it depends on how a person think about it. For the most part, religion is something greater than ourselves, something to put our trust in and help us live better in our life. But seems for some others, they want to enforce their ideas on other people, they of themselves as "greater man", a person who needs to guide other people (this can be the case of ISIS).So the question turn to: "why they act like that in the name of their religion?" At some point I ask myself, "is the society/life in that place so torturous that they have to act in such a disastrous way?"
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    Westerners would rather replace societies with a strict value system in to ones with no values at all. Indian and Arab societies are far more socially orderly than northern england, dont believe all the hype. Over there you wouldn't find 18 year olds tossed out of their family homes and left to the face the world armed with nothing more than a BTEC, an illegitimate child and a social security number. Religious societies value education and family discipline far more and as a result eastern ethnicities dominate the higher ranks in education.
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    (Original post by scaredofdeath)
    especially islam - isis.
    They have ruined our lives with all their terror attacks.
    are you a troll?

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    (Original post by saran23)
    "43 Pontiffs brought peace and settled disputes between warring factions. Pope Celestine II (1143-1144) successfully attempted and stopped the war between Scotland and England. Pope Martin IV (1281-1285) strove to unite in the bonds of charity the kings and lords of the time. Pope Innocent VIII (1484-1492) assiduously attempted at bringing peace between Catholic states and did his utmost to repress the slave traffic, also assisting Columbus in his undertakings. Pope Clement VIII (1592-1605) succeeded in pacifying France and Spain and Pope Clement IX (1667-1669) acted as intermediary at the Peace of Aquisgrana for a peace pact between France, Spain, England and Holland. This treaty came to be known as the Clementine Peace."
    How you can say that pope innocent the eight brought peace is beyond me.I'm pretty sure he was the guy largely responsible for the systematic witchhunts of those times.Ever hear of the inquisition? Religion once again proving how good for society it is.
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    islam is the problem not christianity lol
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    religion has been with us since we first evolved intelligence... I think we have done pretty well so far

    I am not religious
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    (Original post by blck&burgundy)
    Yh I sort of agree but does anyone else wonder if there was no such thing as religion would we have morals to begin with ? I've left Islam not that long ago and this has been on my mind for a while.


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    yeah but your idea of 'morals' is constructed by religion. 'morals' are not an actual thing, if there was no religion you 'morals' may have been extremely different or non existent.
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    (Original post by LisaNikita)
    islam is the problem not christianity lol
    Is it?

    Have you forgotten these people?

    http://archive.adl.org/learn/ext_us/wbc/

    Or these?

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/his...n-and-now.html
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    (Original post by scaredofdeath)
    especially islam - isis.
    They have ruined our lives with all their terror attacks.
    I'm pretty sure it's humans that ruined the world....
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    (Original post by ZakatSawmSalat)
    No I think Hollywood and a lot of American-Jewish culture has ruined the world to the point where there is almost a total disregard for morality or depth of thought and instead imposed this western corporate/shopping mall culture universally. Rather than demonising Islam (which actually tackles head on all the vices in society) why can't we demonise virtually all the 21st century internet/corporate iconography, including vacuous sluts like the Kardashians, Grande, Swift, Adele, Rihanna, Bieber and tossers like Zuckerberg, Obama, the Hollywood crowd, CNN, Bloomberg, The City, Forbes, The BBC - all of them wrecking local cultures and traditional morality and universally replacing it with 'Tech', social media memes, instant electronic gratification, transgenderism, feminism, single motherhood....
    Both have huge cons. There is one important difference though. Islam tells you what you should do, or what you must do in order not to be killed by other followers (depending on particular subject or interpretation), while those bad things you've mentioned are just products lots of people are stupid enough to buy, though they don't have to and they are allowed to choose anything they want.

    Religion is guilty of giving people excuse not to think on their own, and teaching that logic and empricial observation are irrelevant, as they should believe in something that ought to be considered as non existant, according to logic and observation. (Well, logic comes from observation as well on the very basis, but let's not dig that deep right here).
    Show business does a brainwash too, but so far it works entirely inside liberal states, so it does not force people to follow it. It just shows them something everywhere around and people are stupid enough to follow it. On the other hand there is another difference: show business tries to show to people what they want to watch, while Jesus and Muhammad were giving orders. 'Do what I say, or you'll burn in hell'
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    If we loose all religions will there be peace? I guarantee you the answer would be no. We will carry on slaughtering each other with the same level of determination to the end of time even if we had no religions.

    Stalin was probably the biggest non-religious person in history. he believed in an ideology that was anti-religion, yet he caused more death and destruction and wars than any other man in history....religion isn't the problem...human nature is the problem.
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    (Original post by scaredofdeath)
    especially islam - isis.
    They have ruined our lives with all their terror attacks.
    Award for most idiotic thread starter goes to you mate. How one can blame Buddhism or Christianity for the actions of Islam is nonsensical, it's like blaming a Socialist for Nazis because both are ideologies.
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    The WBC calls people mean names, they don't blow themselves or others up as far as I'm aware.

    The Crusades a movement launched because the Eastern Roman Empire was on its last legs after an Islamic invasion, nice comparison there m8.
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Ah comedians the heirs of Aristotle.
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Maybe there will still be killin's, but in terms of the number of people being killed per capita in wars, we are living in the most peaceful time in history.



    There is actually evidence that privately, Stalin had a private faith in god: http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki...t_not_religion

    In regards Stalin, I would say that the issue with him was that he was ill which resulted in a strong paranoia - whether because of some disease in his brain, as one of his doctors observed, or because of some mental illness.

    I would say that the issue with ideologies is when they became fanatical and fundamentalist, whether religious or not.
    That link to 'freethoughtpedia' does not say Stalin had faith in God?
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Maybe there will still be killin's, but in terms of the number of people being killed per capita in wars, we are living in the most peaceful time in history.

    There is actually evidence that privately, Stalin had a private faith in god: http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki...t_not_religion

    In regards Stalin, I would say that the issue with him was that he was ill which resulted in a strong paranoia - whether because of some disease in his brain, as one of his doctors observed, or because of some mental illness.

    I would say that the issue with ideologies is when they became fanatical and fundamentalist, whether religious or not.
    Saddam Hussein is another example of a secularist, tyrant, anti-religion, mass murderer who was responsible for countless wars and the deaths of millions.
    General Mao was an anti-religion mass murdering psychopath who was responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people.
    The USA is a secular country that doesn't go a year without starting a war or funding terrorist groups somewhere on this planet.
    The jungles of latin american are full of hundreds of thousands of anti-god communists who participate in terrorist attacks and drug smuggling on a regular basis.

    history over the past 50 years has been full of anti-religion, anti-god terrorist leaders and groups that have been responsible for hundreds of wars and tens of millions of deaths....I mean mao alone is thought to have killed over 45 million people.....

    What is the motivator behind war? what is the motivator behind conflict? disagreement? evil? greed? victimisation? injustice? will these things disappear if we abolish religion? is atheism free from these problems? No.
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    What about charity given because of religious influence?
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Those are hardly the words of an atheist.
    The vast majority of his actions and words speak for themselves, and point to the fact he was an Atheist.
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    (Original post by Onde)
    As I say, per capita, the 20th century was the most peaceful century per capita by the measure of the number of deaths from wars and murder combined.
    The latter half of the 20th century had nuclear weapons and both power blocks knew what a confrontation would bring. Most world leaders are psychopaths, but they aren't insane.
 
 
 
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