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    (Original post by Gavin2016)
    Feminism is just plain wrong, its unnaturally going against the laws of nature, ask yourself this, would you educate a girl to be a sexual predator like you would educate a girl to be a feminist, no of course you wouldn't (I know might be fun though ). Point being that most women are not supposed to be sexual predators by nature, the man is (not talking rape/extremes here though). So why don't women push out on this side as well? you'll hardly ever see a women pursue a man for a relationship, initiating contact, etc. Even many feminists that are open to relationships with men probably hypocritically expect the man to do all the initiating & chasing but will become an aggressive feminist if a man mistakenly initiates/pursues her who she is not interested in.

    Feminism I believe has led to the half of women that are fat and the quarter of women that are classed as having mental health issues. Plus of course the rising number of single people in society at just over 50 percent of the population now. Why? - well I believe the male female relationship is not just an intimate one but a reciprocal one, it is a relationship of inter-dependence. Otherwise like some creatures in the wild once mating has been done the mating pair would split up, but we don't unless the interdependence breaks down. Like some other creatures in the wild being interdependent also. The fact that through school and probably also parenting, career is pushed and pregnancy looked down upon this interdependency is broken. Most women though are not naturally programmed to be Independent of men, without that support they develop mental health issues and obesity as they don't know how to cope. They have been psychologically blocked from being dependant on a man and now see the man as competition in the career sense - they are now an opponent to contend with, not a source of support - they have nowhere to get the necessary emotional support from so develop issues.

    Feminism is all about aggressiveness - it can't thrive otherwise - forcing their view on others and trying to intimidate any opposition so they get and maintain dominance. Naturally its the man that is supposed to be dominant, not by choice or in an overbearing way, but most women are programmed for the bloke to lead the way. Now men are being told they shouldn't, women should be able to do their role, etc -then what is the role the man is left to fulfil, often there isn't one, he is redundant and hence why women com[p-lain they can't find a good man because they have taken over many men's roles thereby denying themselves a 'good man'. Feminists mistakenly believe going out to work is a joy - it rarely is, its why many men used to solely or mainly fulfil this function as it was an unappealing position to be in - working for the rest of your life relentlessly until you die or if lucky retire. Breaking away from the mode that existed for hundreds probably thousands of years is a disaster for society, its existed the way it had for a reason, suddenly deciding that in the space of a few decades society can be run differently is just plain stupidity.
    There are plenty of obese men too you know, is that because of feminism too 😂 most feminists I know are thin not fat anyway.
    Women are not children you know, we're perfectly capable of working and making decisions without becoming fat or depressed. Think your post has got to be up there with one of the most patronising ones on here.
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    (Original post by Gavin2016)
    Feminism is just plain wrong, its unnaturally going against the laws of nature, ask yourself this, would you educate a girl to be a sexual predator like you would educate a girl to be a feminist, no of course you wouldn't (I know might be fun though ). Point being that most women are not supposed to be sexual predators by nature, the man is (not talking rape/extremes here though). So why don't women push out on this side as well? you'll hardly ever see a women pursue a man for a relationship, initiating contact, etc. Even many feminists that are open to relationships with men probably hypocritically expect the man to do all the initiating & chasing but will become an aggressive feminist if a man mistakenly initiates/pursues her who she is not interested in.

    Feminism I believe has led to the half of women that are fat and the quarter of women that are classed as having mental health issues. Plus of course the rising number of single people in society at just over 50 percent of the population now. Why? - well I believe the male female relationship is not just an intimate one but a reciprocal one, it is a relationship of inter-dependence. Otherwise like some creatures in the wild once mating has been done the mating pair would split up, but we don't unless the interdependence breaks down. Like some other creatures in the wild being interdependent also. The fact that through school and probably also parenting, career is pushed and pregnancy looked down upon this interdependency is broken. Most women though are not naturally programmed to be Independent of men, without that support they develop mental health issues and obesity as they don't know how to cope. They have been psychologically blocked from being dependant on a man and now see the man as competition in the career sense - they are now an opponent to contend with, not a source of support - they have nowhere to get the necessary emotional support from so develop issues.

    Feminism is all about aggressiveness - it can't thrive otherwise - forcing their view on others and trying to intimidate any opposition so they get and maintain dominance. Naturally its the man that is supposed to be dominant, not by choice or in an overbearing way, but most women are programmed for the bloke to lead the way. Now men are being told they shouldn't, women should be able to do their role, etc -then what is the role the man is left to fulfil, often there isn't one, he is redundant and hence why women com[p-lain they can't find a good man because they have taken over many men's roles thereby denying themselves a 'good man'. Feminists mistakenly believe going out to work is a joy - it rarely is, its why many men used to solely or mainly fulfil this function as it was an unappealing position to be in - working for the rest of your life relentlessly until you die or if lucky retire. Breaking away from the mode that existed for hundreds probably thousands of years is a disaster for society, its existed the way it had for a reason, suddenly deciding that in the space of a few decades society can be run differently is just plain stupidity.
    You forget that feminism is about choice, not forcing women into one role or a other. Also, naturalistic fallacy abound

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    (Original post by RobML)
    You forget that feminism is about choice, not forcing women into one role or a other. Also, naturalistic fallacy abound

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    That is the problem, the natural choice for most women is pregnancy, family, etc not career. For sure some women are not cut out for that they want to be real geeky scientists or whatever, the family scene is not for them, but they are a small section of the female society that are genetically inclined to that, perhaps somewhere in the direction of 10 percent, if that. We have been brought up to all believe the wide notion of choice is good, but it can be bad in saying to women you 'have' to have choice, what you want to do, i.e career choice. Rather than saying actually you don't have to have choice you can just follow the natural path of pregnancy, family, etc post 16, 18. The emphasis on careers for females in schools takes away a woman's natural choice of wanting a child post 16, 18 - it makes them feel wrong for wanting a child from the get go. It puts up an invisible barrier for the women that want children straight after school who don't want or aren't or would otherwise not be interested in university.
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    (Original post by Ella-keturah)
    There are plenty of obese men too you know, is that because of feminism too 😂 most feminists I know are thin not fat anyway.
    Women are not children you know, we're perfectly capable of working and making decisions without becoming fat or depressed. Think your post has got to be up there with one of the most patronising ones on here.
    There are some fat men, but there are far, far more fat females, I see them around everyday now in surprising numbers, its truly a shocking sight, it never used to be this way. I don't think its a case of feminists being thin, many tend to be but they are content with being divorced from the traditional gender roles - they want careers so they are happy with who they are and are probably very stable psychologically. I am saying it is the women that aren't genetically abled like they are to go into competition against men and live a career lifestyle that are the ones being affected by feminists dominant ideology in todays society. We are basically following along the mode of the society in the US just a step behind and there is little happiness to be had there either, just increasing dissatisfaction and societal break down. I just think its time to turn away from this disastrous policy its evident its producing little happiness in society for quite some time now and society has been going from bad to worse, not better.
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    (Original post by Gavin2016)
    There are some fat men, but there are far, far more fat females, I see them around everyday now in surprising numbers, its truly a shocking sight, it never used to be this way. I don't think its a case of feminists being thin, many tend to be but they are content with being divorced from the traditional gender roles - they want careers so they are happy with who they are and are probably very stable psychologically. I am saying it is the women that aren't genetically abled like they are to go into competition against men and live a career lifestyle that are the ones being affected by feminists dominant ideology in todays society. We are basically following along the mode of the society in the US just a step behind and there is little happiness to be had there either, just increasing dissatisfaction and societal break down. I just think its time to turn away from this disastrous policy its evident its producing little happiness in society for quite some time now and society has been going from bad to worse, not better.
    Nope, I've looked online and studies from 2014 and 2015 showed more men are overweight in Britain than women. Just Google it.
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    (Original post by Ella-keturah)
    Nope, I've looked online and studies from 2014 and 2015 showed more men are overweight in Britain than women. Just Google it.
    No point talking statistics, people just choose the statistics that back up their points and ignore the others. How overweight for example, we can choose specific categories of overweight to suit ourselves. Outside of certain years?, etc. The pure truth is when you go out and about day to day they are way more 'shockingly' obese women then men. Obesity that makes you stop & stare in shock horror in disbelief that such a body shape is even possible yet alone be like that a significant time, which for many it is.
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    (Original post by Gavin2016)
    No point talking statistics, people just choose the statistics that back up their points and ignore the others. How overweight for example, we can choose specific categories of overweight to suit ourselves. Outside of certain years?, etc. The pure truth is when you go out and about day to day they are way more 'shockingly' obese women then men. Obesity that makes you stop & stare in shock horror in disbelief that such a body shape is even possible yet alone be like that a significant time, which for many it is.
    the whole point of statistics is to get rid of stupid biases, exactly like those you're basing virtually everything you say on

    a healthy respect for cherry picking is one thing, but afaik this isnt really one of those situations where every other study is drawing a different conclusion. the numbers are what they are!

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    I identify as a feminist because it literally just means gender equality. I feel like many feminists will get annoyed if you don't identify the same, because why wouldn't you want equality? Why wouldn't you want to fight for the cause?
    I feel like there's a stigma around feminism due to the selection of people who try to push it on you. We're not all like that. Actually, I'd say a lot of the people you're describing would fall into the misandrist category.
    I also wish feminism wasn't called that - it makes it seem like we are misandrists and fighting for female power. In actuality, we just want to be treated the same as men are.
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    the whole point of statistics is to get rid of stupid biases, exactly like those you're basing virtually everything you say on

    a healthy respect for cherry picking is one thing, but afaik this isnt really one of those situations where every other study is drawing a different conclusion. the numbers are what they are!

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    The numbers are what they are twisted to be by cherry picking certain datasets within certain criteria, they can be very misleading. Just because lots of articles ape the same statistics through laziness doesn't make them any more maligned.

    So for example, you could say the years 2010-15 showed a steep rise in yearly temperature so hence global warming, but taking the years 2000-15 might have shown little change across those years. (just an example not for real)

    However, someone with an axe to grind will take the figures that most suit their argument and try and dupe everyone else with them as it is the gospel truth set in concrete. When it is really all bull.

    I do not consider myself to be naïve and of inferior intelligence so as to be taken ion by these cheap statistical tricks often used by PR spin doctors, politicians and the like. That is how people using these statistical tricks perceive you as if you are way dumber than they that you won't see past their charade.

    As the saying goes there are 'lies, lies and damn statistics' - a saying that is around for a good reason.
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    (Original post by Gavin2016)
    The numbers are what they are twisted to be by cherry picking certain datasets within certain criteria, they can be very misleading. Just because lots of articles ape the same statistics through laziness doesn't make them any more maligned.

    So for example, you could say the years 2010-15 showed a steep rise in yearly temperature so hence global warming, but taking the years 2000-15 might have shown little change across those years. (just an example not for real)

    However, someone with an axe to grind will take the figures that most suit their argument and try and dupe everyone else with them as it is the gospel truth set in concrete. When it is really all bull.

    I do not consider myself to be naïve and of inferior intelligence so as to be taken ion by these cheap statistical tricks often used by PR spin doctors, politicians and the like. That is how people using these statistical tricks perceive you as if you are way dumber than they that you won't see past their charade.

    As the saying goes there are 'lies, lies and damn statistics' - a saying that is around for a good reason.
    i'm actually fairly statistics-literate and am well aware of how they can be manipulated

    that is not a good reason to dismiss all statistics you come across
 
 
 
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