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    For those wondering why Indians are so jubilant about the attacks on Pakistani soil, there's obviously the Indo-Pak rivalry, but there's also the fact that there was huge pressure on the Government of India to react after the Uri terror attacks last week on an Indian Army base that has claimed the lives of 19 Indian soldiers.

    Every time there is a Jihadi attack on Indian soil, usually carried out by either the Pakistani state or "non-state actors" (read: terrorists allegedly funded and supported by the ISI and the military), India has adopted a failed policy of "strategic restraint" i.e.: do virtually nothing at all or simply "talk".

    India presents all the evidence to Pakistan and hopes that Pakistan will act against the culprits. e.g.: With the 2008 Mumbai attacks and the Pathankot attacks earlier this year.

    The result is nothing, zilch, nada.

    The path of dialogue has been adopted as well to no avail. It's usually India that reaches out to Pakistan first to try and resolve issues diplomatically, whether that was Prime Ministers Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh or Modi in recent history. But every time there is some progress and it looks like normalcy will return, there is a terror attack on India with links to Pakistan.

    India's patience has worn thin, it has had enough and it has finally responded to a terror attack on its soil by carrying out strikes on terrorist camps operating in Pakistan.

    Pakistan is now being isolated diplomatically by other countries. There was a historic SAARC meeting coming up being held in Pakistan, but 5 nations have now boycotted it: India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Bhutan all citing Pakistani interference in the region.

    Around the world, no country has condemned the surgical strikes carried out by India (in fact a few countries have supported them), but many are now looking to Pakistan to do more to reign in terror outfits operating in Pakistan. US Senators have even introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to officially declare Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism.

    Just to be clear, most Indians have no problem with the average Pakistani and they are victims of terrorism too. The problem is with the Pakistani state, its ISI, military and terrorist proxies such as JeM, JuD, LeT etc. that routinely attack India.
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    "Secretary General Ban Ki Moon on Friday expressed regrets over the fact that UNMOGIP (United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan) has not been able to fully function due to India’s non-cooperation, adding that the UN’s military mission is only able to operate on the Pakistani controlled side of the LoC as India refuses to accept its functioning on the other side and opposes its expansion."

    The UN has also confirmed that there was no surgical strike.

    How embarrassing for all of the hate filled Indians thumping their chests on this thread.*
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    (Original post by patz91)
    For those wondering why Indians are so jubilant about the attacks on Pakistani soil, there's obviously the Indo-Pak rivalry, but there's also the fact that there was huge pressure on the Government of India to react after the Uri terror attacks last week on an Indian Army base that has claimed the lives of 19 Indian soldiers.

    Every time there is a Jihadi attack on Indian soil, usually carried out by either the Pakistani state or "non-state actors" (read: terrorists allegedly funded and supported by the ISI and the military), India has adopted a failed policy of "strategic restraint" i.e.: do virtually nothing at all or simply "talk".

    India presents all the evidence to Pakistan and hopes that Pakistan will act against the culprits. e.g.: With the 2008 Mumbai attacks and the Pathankot attacks earlier this year.

    The result is nothing, zilch, nada.

    The path of dialogue has been adopted as well to no avail. It's usually India that reaches out to Pakistan first to try and resolve issues diplomatically, whether that was Prime Ministers Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh or Modi in recent history. But every time there is some progress and it looks like normalcy will return, there is a terror attack on India with links to Pakistan.

    India's patience has worn thin, it has had enough and it has finally responded to a terror attack on its soil by carrying out strikes on terrorist camps operating in Pakistan.

    Pakistan is now being isolated diplomatically by other countries. There was a historic SAARC meeting coming up being held in Pakistan, but 5 nations have now boycotted it: India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Bhutan all citing Pakistani interference in the region.

    Around the world, no country has condemned the surgical strikes carried out by India (in fact a few countries have supported them), but many are now looking to Pakistan to do more to reign in terror outfits operating in Pakistan. US Senators have even introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to officially declare Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism.

    Just to be clear, most Indians have no problem with the average Pakistani and they are victims of terrorism too. The problem is with the Pakistani state, its ISI, military and terrorist proxies such as JeM, JuD, LeT etc. that routinely attack India.
    India blames Pakistan without evidence to pacify domestic opinion. Can you show me any evidence? Remember the Samjhauta bombings? The one committed by a Hindu army captain and blamed immediately on Pak?

    What's your opinion on the Indians backing Baloch terrorists and the TTP in Pakistan? Something several federal ministers of the BJP have proudly admitted **
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    It's very interesting how one of the actions that started the chain of events leading to the Islamic genocide of Hindus in Kashmir was the corrupt chief minister building a mosque over a Hindu temple.

    This is classic Islam; murdering and pillaging their way into power and then abolishing and wiping out the native culture, homogenising everything down to an Arab Muslim common denominator and often abolishing ancient civilisations, ways of life, religions and languages in the process. They then build mosques over the conquered houses of worships, like churches and temples, as the ultimate and naked display of their power, a kind of cultural rape of the vanquished.

    This is what happened to the incredible Egyptian culture which, by the 7th century, was the most amazing mixing-pot of ancient Egyptian, Ptolemaic Greek, Hebrew and Roman influences. All wiped out in the name of Islam and with the homogenising acid of Arabic culture and practices that dissolves the native ouevre.

    This is what they did to the Byzantine Empire; the repository of European civilisation, art and culture from both Romans and Greeks, while the West went through the dark ages. The ruler of this sophisticated civlisation was, legally, the Roman Emperor, the Eastern half of the empire having survived another thousand years after the fall of the West (in fact, the Byzantines didn't call themselves Byzantines; although Greek-speaking, they called themselves Romans and called their empire the Roman Empire). This time the acidic homogenising culture was the Turkic cultures. The sack of Constantinople in 1453, and subsequent transformation of churches like the Hagia Sophia into mosques (often with the amazing frescoes and mosaics made of gold, rubies, lapis lazuli and exotic paints stripped off the walls and melted down to be sold off in the bazaar). Imagine all those libraries and government archives, the thousand years of diplomatic and government records, the holdings of the churches and monasteries, the variety and depth of literature going back to the Roman Republic and ancient Greek city states, containing hundreds of thousands of texts that are now completely lost to history. The total destruction of the Imperial Library of Constantinople in 1453 stands as much, in fact probably far more, than the destruction of the library of Alexandria. We can thank Islam for that.

    We saw this happen to the cultural inheritors of the Babylonian and Sumerian cultures, to the flourishing and sophisticated Greek-speaking culture that was predominant in and around Palestine and Syria. We saw it happen to the Jewish tribes of Arabia, who had been resident there long before the vulgar crook and fraud, the desert warlord, turned up and started his religious protection racket.

    Now it would be perfectly valid for the Arab Muslim community of today to say, "That happened 1200 years ago, are you required to answer for the actions of Charlemagne?", to which the answer is we don't venerate and semi-worship Charlemagne. We don't celebrate ancient conquests by the Romans or Byzantines as a current part of our culture and heritage. We don't speak of the Frankish kings in breathless terms of admiration and a progenitor and model for all who came after. The Muslim culture is so very pleased with itself when it looks back at the Islamic conquests. This love of battle, of conquest, the religious climate which led to so much of the Quran being about relationships between Muslims and non-Muslims, about conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims, about when and how Muslims may divvy up the loot when they conquer non-Muslims. That veneration of violence and conquest and medieval values are a huge reason, in my opinion, why Islam is in such a complete mess today.

    If they are going to celebrate this culture of conquest, then they should be prepared for us to criticise it and the awful consequences it had for world culture (which we are seeing again with the attempted genocide of groups like the Yezidi, one of the very few pre-Christian non-Hebraic religious groups left in the Middle East.... and with the attempt to destroy Palmyra and antiquities)
    The Imperial Library of Constantinople was destroyed by the Franks and Venetians in 1204 according to almost every respectable historian.

    I suppose you think sounding sophisticated when spreading lies will convince people they are true.

    The rest of your post has a few fair points but primarily BS. When I have some free time I will reply in full*
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    (Original post by patz91)
    For those wondering why Indians are so jubilant about the attacks on Pakistani soil, there's obviously the Indo-Pak rivalry, but there's also the fact that there was huge pressure on the Government of India to react after the Uri terror attacks last week on an Indian Army base that has claimed the lives of 19 Indian soldiers.

    Every time there is a Jihadi attack on Indian soil, usually carried out by either the Pakistani state or "non-state actors" (read: terrorists allegedly funded and supported by the ISI and the military), India has adopted a failed policy of "strategic restraint" i.e.: do virtually nothing at all or simply "talk".

    India presents all the evidence to Pakistan and hopes that Pakistan will act against the culprits. e.g.: With the 2008 Mumbai attacks and the Pathankot attacks earlier this year.

    The result is nothing, zilch, nada.

    The path of dialogue has been adopted as well to no avail. It's usually India that reaches out to Pakistan first to try and resolve issues diplomatically, whether that was Prime Ministers Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh or Modi in recent history. But every time there is some progress and it looks like normalcy will return, there is a terror attack on India with links to Pakistan.

    India's patience has worn thin, it has had enough and it has finally responded to a terror attack on its soil by carrying out strikes on terrorist camps operating in Pakistan.

    Pakistan is now being isolated diplomatically by other countries. There was a historic SAARC meeting coming up being held in Pakistan, but 5 nations have now boycotted it: India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Bhutan all citing Pakistani interference in the region.

    Around the world, no country has condemned the surgical strikes carried out by India (in fact a few countries have supported them), but many are now looking to Pakistan to do more to reign in terror outfits operating in Pakistan. US Senators have even introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to officially declare Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism.

    Just to be clear, most Indians have no problem with the average Pakistani and they are victims of terrorism too. The problem is with the Pakistani state, its ISI, military and terrorist proxies such as JeM, JuD, LeT etc. that routinely attack India.
    There is also a petition on the white house website (whitehouse.gov) to declare Pakistan a State sponsor of terror.
    It has received around 5,00,000 signatures since it was created since 21 September and i would urge everyone to sign it. For some unknown reason i cannot post links so please look it up and and sign it please eveyone.

    " We the people ask the administration to declare Pakistan,State Sponsor of terror(H.R 6069)
    created by R.G on September 21
    460,818 signed
    100,000 goal
    Congressman Ted Poe(TX-02), the chairman of the house subcommittee on terrorism, along with Congressman Dana Rohrabacher(CA-48) , introduced H.R 6069, the Pakistan State Sponsor Of Terrorism Designation Act.
    This petition is important for the people of United States of America, India and many other countries which are continuously affected by Pakistan sponsored terrorism.

    Congressman Ted Poe said in Congress
    " It is time we call it(Pakistan) what it is, A State Sponsor Of Terrorism, Pakistan has betrayed us"
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    "Secretary General Ban Ki Moon on Friday expressed regrets over the fact that UNMOGIP (United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan) has not been able to fully function due to India’s non-cooperation, adding that the UN’s military mission is only able to operate on the Pakistani controlled side of the LoC as India refuses to accept its functioning on the other side and opposes its expansion."

    The UN has also confirmed that there was no surgical strike.

    How embarrassing for all of the hate filled Indians thumping their chests on this thread.*
    The UN has not confirmed anything nor will it and it does not want to ever get involved either.
    All it does is urges India-Pakistan to bilaterally talk and solve their issues.
    Dont use your sources from Duniya TV, Dawn News or *Insert Pakistani News Source here* .
    Come out of your Wonderland, Alice.
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    (Original post by Idunno99)
    The UN has not confirmed anything nor will it and it does not want to ever get involved either.
    All it does is urges India-Pakistan to bilaterally talk and solve their issues.
    Dont use your sources from Duniya TV, Dawn News or *Insert Pakistani News Source here* .
    Come out of your Wonderland, Alice.
    Ah good old denial .*

    How come India has taken back its initial claim of a surgical strike? Would you like me to back up that claim with Indian newspaper?

    As far as the US congressmen go- Senator John McCain and scores more US senators rallied to Pakistan's side and assured the government that the petition was the work of a tiny lobby group and not the will of Congress*
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    India blames Pakistan without evidence to pacify domestic opinion. Can you show me any evidence? Remember the Samjhauta bombings? The one committed by a Hindu army captain and blamed immediately on Pak?

    What's your opinion on the Indians backing Baloch terrorists and the TTP in Pakistan? Something several federal ministers of the BJP have proudly admitted **
    Where did the perpetrators of 26/11 come from? Where did Amir Ajmal Kasam Come from? From Hell? Or from your mothers sasural in Faridkot?

    India has provided Pakistan will ample evidence and it has been almost 8 years and
    hafiz Sayed goes around freely and gives his speeches inciting hate and jihad freely acroos Pakistani kashmir. So are Maulana masood azhar, the Haqqanis and so was Osama living freely.
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    (Original post by Idunno99)
    Where did the perpetrators of 26/11 come from? Where did Amir Ajmal Kasam Come from? From Hell? Or from your mothers sasural in Jalalabad?
    Evidence please

    I can stand here and make plenty of BS claims as well*
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Ah good old denial .*

    How come India has taken back its initial claim of a surgical strike? Would you like me to back up that claim with Indian newspaper?

    As far as the US congressmen go- Senator John McCain and scores more US senators rallied to Pakistan's side and assured the government that the petition was the work of a tiny lobby group and not the will of Congress*
    Believe what you want Jihadi Alice.
    As far as taking back the surgical strike claim is concerned nothing like that has happened, what your source on that?
    Sure provide me with your credible Indian newspaper source, nothing like that happened unless you have been reading the Times of Jihad recently.
    Yes you have the suppor of john maccain and whoever indeed but atleast the world is coming to know about you, you are being exposed.

    Meanwhile 40 min audio from Hillary clintons Fundraiser held in February
    has been leaked in which she says that Pakistans Nuclear program and Nuclear warheads are a massive threat to the US and the whole world(Source- The Hindu, NDTV)
    You just cannot digest defeat? Can you?
    4 major wars in which you you have been reduced to the ground and still coming back for more? Every major war you lost and you still believe Indian armed forces do not have the capability? This is the same military that
    created Bangladesh in 9 days but alas you always forget. Only thing you threaten us with are your nukes( Pak defence min saying we will use Nukes if our security is threatened), but unfortunately that has not worked in the past and that wont in the future
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    (Original post by Idunno99)
    Believe what you want Jihadi Alice.
    As far as taking back the surgical strike claim is concerned nothing like that has happened, what your source on that?
    Sure provide me with your credible Indian newspaper source, nothing like that happened unless you have been reading the Times of Lahore recently.
    Awww hahah you guys are so cute you know.*

    *http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper...cle9165152.ece

    No copters, no planes- awesome surgical strike guys! Did you ride across the border on cows or something?

    "India conducts super deadly surgical strike!

    Btw hamara aik londa tumhari taraf chala gya hai. Us ko wapas kardo plzzzz"*
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    (Original post by Idunno99)
    Where did the perpetrators of 26/11 come from? Where did Amir Ajmal Kasam Come from? From Hell? Or from your mothers sasural in Faridkot?

    India has provided Pakistan will ample evidence and it has been almost 8 years and
    hafiz Sayed goes around freely and gives his speeches inciting hate and jihad freely acroos Pakistani kashmir. So are Maulana masood azhar, the Haqqanis and so was Osama living freely.
    Can you provide the evidence please?

    The rantings of Shiv Sena and tumahar najaiz baap Modi dont count as evidence just so we are clear.

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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Evidence please

    I can stand here and make plenty of BS claims as well*
    Google it please we have provided you with ample evidence
    Please provide me with the evidence that Kasab was not from Pakistan then?. Everyone, the whole world knows where the perpetrators came from MR B.S.
    Where was Osama found ? Chandigarh ch ja Mohali ch?
    Hence proves that Pakistan is one of the most dangerous places on earth and it harbors terrorism

    Look up the "sermons" of Hafiz sayed inciting Jihad on India on Youtube he is a free man and is even given protection by your Pork army.
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    (Original post by Absolute Madman)
    I hope India elects Modi as their god emperor and he removes all terrorists
    MODI? He's the one responsible for the genocide in Kashmir, he's not gonna do anything to help with this terrorist situation.
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Awww hahah you guys are so cute you know.*

    *http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper...cle9165152.ece

    No copters, no planes- awesome surgical strike guys! Did you ride across the border on cows or something?

    "India conducts super deadly surgical strike!

    Btw hamara aik londa tumhari taraf chala gya hai. Us ko wapas kardo plzzzz"*
    Aww looking cute too baby girl with the Kalashnikov Palestinian jihadi bride
    Well didnt your Northern light infantry Regiment come on foot and infiltrate in Kargil dressed as Jihadis? Did your soldiers come on Donkeys or pigs or something? Lol well you even denied to take back their bodies and we buried them, such are the low morals and ethics you have, so i expect nothing better than this from you, you even denied to take back the wounded captured soldiers at first claiming they were not yours but you later did take them back lol.They confessed on camera that they were Pakistanis .Kudos to Pork army for being so daring and dumb? Haha

    Good luck running your kothas and for your maa and bhen dancing in front of the americans and Chinese doing mujra, and begging for money.
    In the 13 day 1971 war ,You with your advanced american donated Weaponry, Tanks and aircraft could not stand a chance against our badly armed
    Ww2 era military armed which was armed with Lee enfields, Shermans. The same para commandos armed with obsolete weaponry were air dropped behind enemy lines into Dhaka and they took and cleared it within 24 hours, you with your well armed military could not do anything then, how do you expect yourself to counter with todays Indian military with a defence budget 7-8 times larger than yours ? With the peanuts thrown at you or meagre amount of American aid so to say?
    Btw hamare 90,000 phuddu kayar launde lar ni sake aur tumne POW bana diye( including Misharraf), this is not fair, unko to wapis de do plzzzz -
    1971 haha
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    (Original post by Idunno99)
    Good luck running your kothas and for your maa and bhen dancing in front of the americans and Chinese doing mujra, and begging for money.
    You with your advanced american donated Weaponry, Tanks and aircraft could not stand a chance against our badly armed
    Ww2 era military armed which was armed with Lee enfields, Shermans.
    In fairness, the Americans are starting to cut off weaponry from the Pakistanis. It's unfortunate that there is still a pro-Pakistani lobby in Washington DC, but many others understand that Pakistan is basically an enemy of the US and UK, that they have lied to us and betrayed us and they are completely duplicitous and untrustworthy. Congress has put the kybosh on the F-16 Block 60 sale to Pakistan (which Pakistan was going to get on the most favourable terms; not only would they get this advanced, modernised aircraft but they would get it at half price, with the other half being paid by the American taxpayer. All they had to do was not be in bed with terrorists. The legal certification that the Secretary of Defense had to make, to say that Pakistan was no longer supporting terrorists, couldn't be done; he said they continued to support them. So the sale was cancelled). But they should do that with all the military aid to Pakistan, not just a few hundred million

    We have given them billions upon billions, and advanced weaponry. In exchange, they continue to support and give sanctuary to the Taliban making it very difficult for the Afghan government to have stable governance (and resulting in many deaths). They also gave sanctuary to Osama bin Laden, and there is no question that Kiyani was aware that was happening. For that alone, the US should have completely cut them off.

    I think there is increasing awareness that India is who we should be supporting, befriending and making common cause with. India is a democratic country, and they warned us for years about Pakistan's duplicity. They acted like a good friend to us by telling us we were being duped, we didn't listen but I think increasingly we will. India in the long-term has more common interests with Europe and North America than Pakistan, and I think more in common with those two than it does with Russia. I hope we can see an alliance reconfiguration. And also, India has been increasing its relationship with the US (the sale of the P-8 Maritime Patrol Aircraft, the nuclear sales)
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    India is very aware that Pakistan has nukes. They wouldn't force Pakistan to use nukes, they'd probably just enforce a peace treaty or ceasefire.
    India has nukes as well, whats your point?


    India is becoming the next Israel, suppressing the minorities and with Modi at the helm, its catapulting its hindi nationalism to new extremes. This involves all time high gang violence, abusing minorities and ofcourse the infamous rape culture becoming the norm - In India a women is reportedly raped every 15 minutes!! (alarming stuff).

    The level of violence and destruction caused by the indian army in Kashmir is another example of its dogged abhorrrence against the muslim majority who want nothing but their own separate state away from Indian dictatorship.
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    (Original post by KHARKU)
    MODI? He's the one responsible for the genocide in Kashmir, he's not gonna do anything to help with this terrorist situation.
    There is no genocide except that which was done by Islamic militants.
 
 
 
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