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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    I have a very low tolerance for idiots dressed in education and middle class socialisation.

    Very low tolerance. You have no excuse for your lacking cognition.
    I'm black and working class. Who's the real bigot now? ****
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    I'm black and working class. Who's the real bigot now? ****
    I've seen your picture cherub. You know you're losing when you feel the need to lie about something as basic as your race

    #rustled
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Who says there has to be a point?
    Lord Trump. He get's stuff done.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Actually, that would suit me nicely.
    Why?

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    (Original post by 0to100)
    You're not a very nice person. Wasn't policing you, was trying to be friendly, and I got sleep it's been 12 hours. Anyway keep crying over spilled milk then.
    disproportionate reaction. You don't know me.
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    I was poorly agreeing with you.
    Ah, another social media conversation distorts agreement
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    (Original post by xx1t35)
    Well that's slim 18% of ethnic minorities either never watched the news or have been made to vote cause no normal educated person puts in power someone's who's going to take away people's rights.
    How are trumps voters not racist? How can you vote for someone who wants to deport people of colour for being immigrants and build a wall or ban an entire religion from entering. I find it hard to believe you'd vote for such a bigot if you weren't racist, islamophobic, homophobic or something of that sort, despite if you think his economic/foreign policies are good. Not all trump voters may be racist, but they put someone's racist in power and therefore asked a racist person to represent them which means that their views are racist too.
    Also, a black person can be racist towards a Mexican and vice versa, don't act like ethnic minorities are part of one race
    So now you believe you understand the level of knowledge of 18% of ethnic minorites? At the very least you must be able to understand that this level of assumption is obnoxious?

    Your post is all over the place, conveniently tarring millions with one brush as racist, then saying they aren't all racist, then saying they were. They are either all racist or they are not. Considering the numbers we are talking, I'd suggest it irrational to say they all were.

    I say, without conceit, that you have just proved my original point and I hope you have a rethink because if you genuinely care about the issues we are talking about, shouting racist isn't going to help.
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    (Original post by Little Popcorns)
    disproportionate reaction. You don't know me.
    "Stop moaning" - "Don't tell me to stop moaning" - "How dare you tell me to stop telling you to stop moaning".

    So glad he stopped by.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    So now you believe you understand the level of knowledge of 18% of ethnic minorites? At the very least you must be able to understand that this level of assumption is obnoxious?

    Your post is all over the place, conveniently tarring millions with one brush as racist, then saying they aren't all racist, then saying they were. They are either all racist or they are not. Considering the numbers we are talking, I'd suggest it irrational to say they all were.

    I say, without conceit, that you have just proved my original point and I hope you have a rethink because if you genuinely care about the issues we are talking about, shouting racist isn't going to help.

    "They're either all racist or none of them are" ? Sorry when did I say EVERYONE was racist? No, I said they're either racist or uneducated or simply don't care that theyre voting for someone racist.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    "Stop moaning" - "Don't tell me to stop moaning" - "How dare you tell me to stop telling you to stop moaning".

    So glad he stopped by.
    Agreed dunno what was up with him or where he came from but it was odd.
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    I found nothing wrong with the logic in the first page of posts, how did we manage to get dragged through 7 pages of trash afterwards?
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    (Original post by xx1t35)
    "They're either all racist or none of them are" ? Sorry when did I say EVERYONE was racist? No, I said they're either racist or uneducated or simply don't care that theyre voting for someone racist.
    How else am I supposed to read a comment like this?

    "How are trumps voters not racist? How can you vote for someone who wants to deport people of colour for being immigrants and build a wall or ban an entire religion from entering. I find it hard to believe you'd vote for such a bigot if you weren't racist, islamophobic, homophobic or something of that sort, despite if you think his economic/foreign policies are good."

    At best I can say you find it hard to believe they aren't all racists.
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    (Original post by Retired_Messiah)
    I found nothing wrong with the logic in the first page of posts, how did we manage to get dragged through 7 pages of trash afterwards?
    It's the Internet, it's unavoidable. Although I'd say 5 pages were trash, I liked some points and not just the ones fully agreeing.
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    I agree.
    I think many people voted Trump cause they are sick of working minimum-wage, they want better life quality, while most of left-wings keep on bragging about safe spaces, the environment and which pronouns to use when addressing someone. Dont get me wrong, I dont mean that these aren't important, but the average Joe doesn't care about global warming or whatever or not smiling at a woman is a sexual abuse. He wants better life for himself, which is totally understandable. And there's way more working class people than educated people.
    IMO, both Trump and leave campaign targeted those people. They showed them they care about them. And obviously, used minorities as a scapegoat. They reached to people's darkest instincts and voila, here we are.
    Most right-wing parties get majority of their votes from working class cause they are easy to manipulate and represent a massive part of the society.

    'Liberal' people tend to omit them and call them racist, sexist idiots. And that's why brexit and Trump happened IMO.
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    This video is a perfect summary of why we got Trump and Brexit. If you disagree with this, you're in denial.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
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    (Original post by DziNe)
    This video is a perfect summary of why we got Trump and Brexit. If you disagree with this, you're in denial.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
    I agree to some extent but I do think hat it isn't the main reason and racism and maybe some sexism did play a big part, it's just a slight coincidence that's 70% of whites voted Trump is it not?!
    I do think the main reason is terrorism. Were all scared to death of terrorism, and cleverly, politicians have played on this fear and made a link between immigration and terrorism and that is why support for UKIP/Brexit/Trump has occurred. And yes, thinking immigrants are terrorists is racist
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    It's interesting. You can't actually assume that people who voted for Trump are racist, but it's absolutely clear that Trump made racist, sexist and bigoted comments throughout his campaign. Which makes me consider, why would anyone vote for him based on his policies? As an environmentalist, his policies are bordering on criminal. He is planning to cut all funding to the United Nations Climate Change program and redirect that into infrastructure. He plans to boost fracking and coal/oil production and use. That alone is diabolical, especially at such a critical point in the Earth's history AND especially when America produces the second most emissions.

    Furthermore, I'm not an economist but cutting taxes, spending insane amounts on infrastructure and increasing inflation doesn't sound like it'd benefit the normal American. If I'm wrong, please tell me how and why, like I said I'm not an economist but surely none of that bodes well.

    If you think that immigration is the top priority, ahead of all the above, you DESERVE to be verbally humiliated and ostracised. However, unfortunately, the US is not post-racial and mostly consists of white people who aren't comfortable with the idea of increasing the non-white population. They simply are not happy with the current social climate, despite the fact that it's getting better for minorities - or at least exposing discrimination against non-white people is coming to the forefront. We have to figure out a way to tell people this (particularly white America) in a tactful way. We have to hope people actually have some brain cells left and appeal to intellect. And based on the way people voted, that is going to be extremely difficult.
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    (Original post by xx1t35)
    thinking immigrants are terrorists is racist
    This is part of the problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being anti-immigration from the Middle East on the basis of being worried about terrorism. At the very most, it's xenophobic, but it's certainly not racist. This sort of narrative is exactly what the guy in the video is talking about. Disagree with someone on immigration? "RACIST!"
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    If we all just slaves to our basic human nature, why the **** to we bother having societies and communities and all this other ****?


    Here's an idea for some of the people who votedfor Trump/Brexit/whatever the next alt-right wet dream is: if you dont want to be called a racist, sexist homophobe stop being racist, sexist and homophobic...
    And here's an idea for the liberal elite/left. If you want to win elections don't call the tens of millions of people whose votes you are trying to attract racist, sexist, homophobes.
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    Brexit and Trump won for the same reason.

    Firstly a lack of education.... why would an manual worker who is on the bread line, working most hours of the day have time to look into every single detail of what politicians are saying? I'm lucky, my typically SJW education meant I know the stats behind immigration, I know per head social housing is easier to get in high immigration area's, I know the net benefit and cheap EU staff in the public sector outweighs the extra strains, I know immigrants pay more into the country than they claim via benefits.... but the common joe/jane who has survival in mind either hasn't go the know how to fact check information, time or simply have more important things in their life (aka getting a job and feeding their family). The typical liberal politicians in both brexit and the US election spouted their usual party lines they spout every year which for the last 15-20 years have not benefited the white working class.

    You take two frank talking campaigns that Leave and Trump both had and it's like a breath of fresh air they can get behind. Ignoring the fact both campaigns pretty much only said 'We'd make everything great again' without a single explanation how, the white working class have been ignored for too long and it was inevitable they would rebel eventually. It's sad because the liberal politicians, who have the know how and knowledge simple are unable to process that if your ignore a sector of society, if you say what you say every election, that sector will not vote in your favour until you give them hope and act on your promises.

    But it also has an extremely dark side. Working in the local pubs really gave me an eye opener onto the reason people voted. The week after the EU referendum made me feel sick to my stomach. I'd even heard people, who until then I presumed to be fairly level minded and educated, saying things like how those from Pakistan and India can go back home now (yes that dumb).... racist language exploded, people discussing how the EU's representation system was 100% unelected (yes also that dumb).... all the stereotypical reasons why people voted leave. The only few people who made acceptable non stereotypical arguments to myself was either via TSR or via those representing leave on the TV. I did have a little respect for my own parents decisions until my own father started using racist language in-front of his friends while discussing his reasons for voting leave and when my own mother tried stating how it was purely to regain control over laws and democracy. When I asked my mother an example of a EU law she would repeal all she could say was 'wonky bananas' :facepalm2: and concerning democracy she stated that half the EU we didn't even vote for.... after I sat her down and told her how it worked (I had to show her kicking and screaming) via the interwebs how the EU Parliaments, Commission and Council were selected, all via democratic channels..... she's now since changed her mind oh how she would of voted.


    Second, liberal arrogance. I presumed myself in my own arrogance, "who in their right mind would vote brexit".... "who in their right mind would vote trump"..... looking at their policies and the stats around their claims, I know most of it is *******s. But they won... how? Because the liberal parties have refused to state that there is an immigration problem at all.... nor that there is a problem within the EU. Now the cause of the problems are nothing like what the Leave and Trump campaigns stated, but white working class concerns have not even been addressing in the slightest. No-one stepped up in the Remain campaign and said, the social housing crisis was caused by successive governments not the EU.... No one said the NHS crisis was caused by successive governments.... No one said the benefit strain was caused by successive governments and not immigrants.... No one said a lack of political accountability was caused by our own severely outdated and inadequate political, government and bureaucratic systems. Both the Labour and Conservative governments have been using the EU as scapegoats for years then acts all surprised when people vote to leave.

    (Original post by Trinculo)
    I don't get why they would support the party of slavery over the party of emancipation. It's all over the place that memory of slavery and the injustice is so long and so ingrained- and yet 100 years is enough to just say "meh - that was just policy at the time"
    Because the Republican party at it's creation was not a conservative party at all, it was far more liberal than the Democrats and until fairly recently cemented itself as a more anti-government control party. Simply being a liberal party over a hundred years ago does not mean minorities should support them automatically. The pro-southerner/white voters switched to the republicans in the late 60's and early 70's.

    It's weird, they believe in civil liberties as provided for gun control and free speech, and technically they are the 'pro-freedom party'..... as republicans are anti government control. However in practice they are only pro freedom when it agrees with conservative values while anti freedom when it comes to liberal values.
 
 
 
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