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    IT is sad that it's often the case. That's one of the reasons that makes it so hard, the fact that those self harming/feeling suicidal will always mention the professionals can't actually help/haven't helped in the past
    I've done some work around CBT and I can absolutely see why. If approached badly, it can just come across as so belittling and patronising. And if a person has a bad experience with a therapist it more often than not just leaves them with two options: 'piss off', and 'piss off with these pills'.
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    Does the 'No More Page 3' campaign to get The Sun banned from shops until they cease the page 3 portion of the newspaper seem so incredibly ridiculous to anyone else? I'm all for equality and women's rights but to get a newspaper banned because it shows women who want to be in those newspapers with their tops off just seems over the top. Also, if people don't want to see women with their breasts out then they don't have to look inside the newspaper and children aren't exposed to them. Not that I've ever bought The Sun but should I have wanted to from my University Union then I'd like to have the choice.
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    Does the 'No More Page 3' campaign to get The Sun banned from shops until they cease the page 3 portion of the newspaper seem so incredibly ridiculous to anyone else? I'm all for equality and women's rights but to get a newspaper banned because it shows women who want to be in those newspapers with their tops off just seems over the top. Also, if people don't want to see women with their breasts out then they don't have to look inside the newspaper and children aren't exposed to them. Not that I've ever bought The Sun but should I have wanted to from my University Union then I'd like to have the choice.
    had this discussion with people before, the "No to page 3" campaign is not about the women who appear on it, it's about the cultural and societal impact of objectification and the way women are used and depicted in things like page 3, if you listen to the people who are at the forefront of the campaign they actually stress how much it's NOT about attacking the women who choose to model for it. I will try to find a link to one of the radio debates my friend was involved in if I can but it was on iplayer ages ago so might be hard to find. (makes the points probably a lot better than I can )
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    Does the 'No More Page 3' campaign to get The Sun banned from shops until they cease the page 3 portion of the newspaper seem so incredibly ridiculous to anyone else? I'm all for equality and women's rights but to get a newspaper banned because it shows women who want to be in those newspapers with their tops off just seems over the top. Also, if people don't want to see women with their breasts out then they don't have to look inside the newspaper and children aren't exposed to them. Not that I've ever bought The Sun but should I have wanted to from my University Union then I'd like to have the choice.
    I'm of the same opinion as you really - if you don't like the paper, don't buy it.
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    Does the 'No More Page 3' campaign to get The Sun banned from shops until they cease the page 3 portion of the newspaper seem so incredibly ridiculous to anyone else? I'm all for equality and women's rights but to get a newspaper banned because it shows women who want to be in those newspapers with their tops off just seems over the top. Also, if people don't want to see women with their breasts out then they don't have to look inside the newspaper and children aren't exposed to them. Not that I've ever bought The Sun but should I have wanted to from my University Union then I'd like to have the choice.
    I'm not entirely sure where I stand with this. On one hand, I enjoy not having to see The Sun on university newspaper stands, but on a more reasoned level I can see your point. But I also appreciate the arguments in favour of bannings.
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    I think it's dangerous to try and ban elements of a free press.


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    I think it's dangerous to try and ban elements of a free press.


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    we don't have a free press, we have a corporate press, there is a very large difference.

    I also don't know that a truly free press is particularly desirable; it would mean 0 regulation, so you could literally show hardcore porn all day long and age ratings would also not be possible if you wanted a "free press"
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    Does the 'No More Page 3' campaign to get The Sun banned from shops until they cease the page 3 portion of the newspaper seem so incredibly ridiculous to anyone else? I'm all for equality and women's rights but to get a newspaper banned because it shows women who want to be in those newspapers with their tops off just seems over the top. Also, if people don't want to see women with their breasts out then they don't have to look inside the newspaper and children aren't exposed to them. Not that I've ever bought The Sun but should I have wanted to from my University Union then I'd like to have the choice.
    Our SU attempted to ban it without anyone knowing, somebody found out and a minor decision making process was set up instead. Alas it was still banned. I hate the Sun with a passion but banning it is dangerous turf that I don't agree with.
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    I don't read the sun however the fact that the NUS would consider banning it (on top of stuff like trying to ban Coca-Cola, Nestle and a music video) is exactly why i consider their political arm as akin to a Labour mouthpiece. It's sad in a way as it soils my opinion of them when they provide some brilliant student services.
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    Does the 'No More Page 3' campaign to get The Sun banned from shops until they cease the page 3 portion of the newspaper seem so incredibly ridiculous to anyone else? I'm all for equality and women's rights but to get a newspaper banned because it shows women who want to be in those newspapers with their tops off just seems over the top. Also, if people don't want to see women with their breasts out then they don't have to look inside the newspaper and children aren't exposed to them. Not that I've ever bought The Sun but should I have wanted to from my University Union then I'd like to have the choice.
    I think it's somewhat contradictory to feminism's early goals. Do we now consider a woman's breasts so obscene that they must be banned from appearing in newspapers? I don't understand what women gain from this.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Our SU attempted to ban it without anyone knowing, somebody found out and a minor decision making process was set up instead. Alas it was still banned. I hate the Sun with a passion but banning it is dangerous turf that I don't agree with.
    Was the campaign aimed at removing the paper from shops ran by the union, or was it seeking to ban it entirely?

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    we don't have a free press, we have a corporate press, there is a very large difference.

    I also don't know that a truly free press is particularly desirable; it would mean 0 regulation, so you could literally show hardcore porn all day long and age ratings would also not be possible if you wanted a "free press"
    Obligatory Lenin quote: "All over the world, wherever there are capitalists, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy and fake “public opinion” for the benefit of the bourgeoisie."

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I don't read the sun however the fact that the NUS would consider banning it (on top of stuff like trying to ban Coca-Cola, Nestle and a music video) is exactly why i consider their political arm as akin to a Labour mouthpiece. It's sad in a way as it soils my opinion of them when they provide some brilliant student services.
    Well this is extraordinary: we are in partial agreement. The NUS is definitely dominated by NOLS (more specifically, the Progress faction), which is precisely why they pursue emblematic gesture policies that stray so far from having any real significance. The Sun is a dreadful newspaper, but page three is no worse than pages 1-2 and 4-60 in the grand scheme of things. There are bigger battles to be fought that would make a far greater difference in the lives of women.

    As for Nestle - anyone who buys their products with knowledge of what that company does should be against the wall. Child slavery, infant manslaughter, artificial droughts, destruction of the rainforest. Blindly supporting Nestle makes you complicit in all of the atrocities they've committed; the truth is, the industry would be forced to change if enough of us took a stand against evil business practices.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I don't read the sun however the fact that the NUS would consider banning it (on top of stuff like trying to ban Coca-Cola, Nestle and a music video) is exactly why i consider their political arm as akin to a Labour mouthpiece. It's sad in a way as it soils my opinion of them when they provide some brilliant student services.
    You can basically get everything useful that the NUS provides on UNiDAYS. Unlike NUS Extra, it's completely free and you can actually sleep at night. I highly recommend it to anyone who has a student email address.

    Half price Spotify is the biggest advantage. Then you have things like 10% off at loads of clothing shops like Top Man, plus discounts for things like Zavvi and Apple. I saved a fiver last night. I was impressed with how many discounts it offers, amazing considering it's free.

    I shouldn't get political for obvious reasons. But in my experience student politics and the NUS in particular really did attract the wrong kinds of people. They seemed much more interested in practising to become the next generation of career politicians. That and having their fifteen minutes of power and command over people, it was never about tackling the real issues that students face in higher education, it was just about them seeing how many more products they could try to ban that month.
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    (Original post by Faland)
    Was the campaign aimed at removing the paper from shops ran by the union, or was it seeking to ban it entirely?
    Removing from the shop, although to be fair from what I gather the only folks who buy papers at our shop are staff rather than students.
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    Does anyone know anything about the Raspberry Pi? If so, could you be so kind as to have a look at my thread? Just thought I'd share it with my bros in the MHoC and do a little shameless thread promotion.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Removing from the shop, although to be fair from what I gather the only folks who buy papers at our shop are staff rather than students.
    I used to buy newspapers at the campus shop when I was a student (granted only the Guardian or the Indy but still, there are some younger people who read papers )

    just as an FYI, SU shops don't sell several things that you could argue that they should...(The Morning Star being an obvious example of a paper that most shops don't sell), you can also talk about the fact they only stock certain magazines or brands...but people don't tend to care, take away people's ability to access their page 3 girls though and suddenly people kick up all kinds of fuss, says a lot about people if you ask me tbh.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    I used to buy newspapers at the campus shop when I was a student (granted only the Guardian or the Indy but still, there are some younger people who read papers )

    just as an FYI, SU shops don't sell several things that you could argue that they should...(The Morning Star being an obvious example of a paper that most shops don't sell), you can also talk about the fact they only stock certain magazines or brands...but people don't tend to care, take away people's ability to access their page 3 girls though and suddenly people kick up all kinds of fuss, says a lot about people if you ask me tbh.
    Apologies chum the Indy is the only one that I know sells a few copies here.

    I think ours sells the MS if i'm correct :holmes: I just don't like the way the execs could just take away anything in the shop that they disagree with before consulting a wider group.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Apologies chum the Indy is the only one that I know sells a few copies here.

    I think ours sells the MS if i'm correct :holmes: I just don't like the way the execs could just take away anything in the shop that they disagree with before consulting a wider group.
    haha, it's okay, I am just kinda weird anyway hehe, was pretty much the only person I knew at Uni who did read papers lol

    that's interesting cause most of them don't, maybe your SU are secretly communists? pretty sure most of them do consult people or have meetings about it before hand, also worth remembering there is a large campaign in support of not selling the Sun on that basis (and others in fact). like I said I think people are generally ignorant of the wider reasons around why people want to stop SU shops selling page 3 and things like it, I don't really see why it's such a big deal for them to not sell it either, like I said they don't sell all kinds of things but people don't get worked up about it. as for Faland's point about it not being the main issue for feminists to tackle, I agree with that but I also don't really think that anyone thinks it is the main issue other than people who object to it anyway, for the people I know who campaign against page 3 that's just one of like a whole load of things they campaign about, I mean I consider myself a feminist but I don't generally regard this as that big of an issue, though it's one I think is fair enough for people to use as I guess you can use it as a springboard issue to get people more interested in other campaigns and such. I've had real life experience of feminist activism and worked with feminist activists though, whereas I would guess from the replies here that most people in the MHoC have not...
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    I read papers fairly regularly but that's primarily because the bus has the Metro and the Library has a good stock. My choice of paper on the rare occasions i do pay are the Financial Times or The Times. Online or when there is a paper around i prefer to read the Telegraph or Guardian. I also watch the Daily Politics everyday along with Andrew Marr and also watch Bloomberg Financial news for an hour or two per day.

    So yeah, it's very important to me that i'm both commercially and politically aware.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    haha, it's okay, I am just kinda weird anyway hehe, was pretty much the only person I knew at Uni who did read papers lol

    that's interesting cause most of them don't, maybe your SU are secretly communists? pretty sure most of them do consult people or have meetings about it before hand, also worth remembering there is a large campaign in support of not selling the Sun on that basis (and others in fact). like I said I think people are generally ignorant of the wider reasons around why people want to stop SU shops selling page 3 and things like it, I don't really see why it's such a big deal for them to not sell it either, like I said they don't sell all kinds of things but people don't get worked up about it. as for Faland's point about it not being the main issue for feminists to tackle, I agree with that but I also don't really think that anyone thinks it is the main issue other than people who object to it anyway, for the people I know who campaign against page 3 that's just one of like a whole load of things they campaign about, I mean I consider myself a feminist but I don't generally regard this as that big of an issue, though it's one I think is fair enough for people to use as I guess you can use it as a springboard issue to get people more interested in other campaigns and such. I've had real life experience of feminist activism and worked with feminist activists though, whereas I would guess from the replies here that most people in the MHoC have not...
    One could wish, there was a communist league at one point last year but it disappeared quickly :ninja: gone underground maybe Tbh the sun can't have been selling many copies anyway, they would have been better just asking the store manager to remove it on financial grounds behind closed doors so nobody would have never known instead of announcing it as a move from a bunch of NUS careerists looking to gain some headlines in our student paper. They held a democratic meeting after this came out and the sun was still banned :lol: I just don't see banning things as the way forward :confused:
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    One could wish, there was a communist league at one point last year but it disappeared quickly :ninja: gone underground maybe Tbh the sun can't have been selling many copies anyway, they would have been better just asking the store manager to remove it on financial grounds behind closed doors so nobody would have never known instead of announcing it as a move from a bunch of NUS careerists looking to gain some headlines in our student paper. They held a democratic meeting after this came out and the sun was still banned :lol: I just don't see banning things as the way forward :confused:
    haha, secret society maybe? well I think the point is really to make a statement more than to just ban it for the sake of it kind of thing, they probably would have had meetings before just less publicized, I don't really have much care as to whether or not the Sun is banned tbh, but I think as a statement it's a pretty bold one, though as with most there is so much misinformation around that any point they wanted to make is being clouded over now sadly.
 
 
 
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