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(Original post by paddy__power)
New information has been sent to my office that seriously implicates toronto in various cases of pederasty. I am shocked and appalled.
Now paddy__power, I didn't put you down as the type to make up false rumours.
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In a word: neutrality.
Metrobeans was affiliated with Labour when he became speaker, was he not?
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Metrobeans was affiliated with Labour when he became speaker, was he not?
And is a Leader of the Usergroup
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(Original post by xXedixXx)
Metrobeans was affiliated with Labour when he became speaker, was he not?
TSR Labour was once quite right-wing and Nick was at its core...tbf that made him a centrist and thus ideal for the role.
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To answer your question: no. The issue isn't that he comes from the right, nor do I want a leftist speaker either. Al had his troubles which prevented him from being a great speaker but as I say I think the role should go to a centrist. In many ways Morgsie would be the man for the job.
If the issue isn't that he comes from the right then what is exactly the problem with toronto being the speaker?

(apart from that you believe it should be a centrist as that doesn't apply to toronto or impede his abilities)
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(Original post by Morgsie)
And is a Leader of the Usergroup
He is a leader of all usergroups is he not?
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He is a leader of all usergroups is he not?
The Speaker has access to all Party Forums, in some cases the Speaker acts as the Party Leader for example Leadership Elections etc.

The current Speaker and the Deputy Speaker are Leaders apparently according to the Usergroup page.
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(Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
If the issue isn't that he comes from the right then what is exactly the problem with toronto being the speaker?

(apart from that you believe it should be a centrist as that doesn't apply to toronto or impede his abilities)
Because he won't be neutral. The reason for having speakers who have no convictions is because they can keep shtum when they have to. Toronto, as a clear right winger will struggle just as Al did because he has convictions. Those convictions override his ability to be truly neutral. It's a perfectly logical position to hold.
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(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
QFA
You didn't answer my question... you consider me neutral, right? :homles: :flutter:
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You didn't answer my question... you consider me neutral, right? :homles: :flutter:
No, I see you as a man of conviction and as such about as neutral as myself.
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(Original post by Morgsie)
The Speaker has access to all Party Forums, in some cases the Speaker acts as the Party Leader for example Leadership Elections etc.

The current Speaker and the Deputy Speaker are Leaders apparently according to the Usergroup page.
I know, so how is that actually a problem?
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No, I see you as a man of conviction and as such about as neutral as myself.
What a nice reply, have some PRSOM
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Could someone explain what this argument with Nick was about. Seems a lot of people have referred to it? Much appreciated if JPKC you or if anyone else can
Read this. Six people were unhappy that Nick refused to breach TSR moderation rules in order to submit a motion of censure against myself; Toronto was the main critic of the Speaker's judgement and the argument went on for about a week, this followed a feud between myself and TSR UKIP after their candidate made-up some false claims about myself during the March by-election. Overall it was quite a volatile period.
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(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
Because he won't be neutral. The reason for having speakers who have no convictions is because they can keep shtum when they have to. Toronto, as a clear right winger will struggle just as Al did because he has convictions. Those convictions override his ability to be truly neutral. It's a perfectly logical position to hold.
No, it's a position you are holding because you haven't got a proper reason why he cannot be the speaker. It's becoming more of you trying to find excuses why he can't be a good speaker rather than having a genuine reason.

Morgsie led his party into a coalition government with Labour last year. And the Liberal Democrats were involved in discussions about potentially being part of the current coalition government. Does this not disqualify him from being the next speaker?
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No, it's a position you are holding because you haven't got a proper reason why he cannot be the speaker. It's becoming more of you trying to find excuses why he can't be a good speaker rather than having a genuine reason.
His election agent are you? I'd hold the same position if it were JPKC standing or any other leftist for that matter.

Morgsie led his party into a coalition government with Labour last year. And the Liberal Democrats were involved in discussions about potentially being part of the current coalition government. Does this not disqualify him from being the next speaker?
Quite the reverse, it shows Morgsie has no strong convictions and is thus perfectly suited to a role of none.
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(Original post by paddy__power)
New information has been sent to my office that seriously implicates toronto in various cases of pederasty. I am shocked and appalled.
The new classics courses go all the way, eh?
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(Original post by toronto353)
Now paddy__power, I didn't put you down as the type to make up false rumours.
False? :dontknow:

(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
No, I see you as a man of conviction and as such about as neutral as myself.
I dread to ask if that means your semi-endorsement of me earlier means you think I have no convictions

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The new classics courses go all the way, eh?
Apparently so!
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I dread to ask if that means your semi-endorsement of me earlier means you think I have no convictions
Nah. You are the exception that proves the rule. A man of conviction who can mask them. You proved that by being a socialist leader of UKIP!!!
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(Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
No, it's a position you are holding because you haven't got a proper reason why he cannot be the speaker. It's becoming more of you trying to find excuses why he can't be a good speaker rather than having a genuine reason.

Morgsie led his party into a coalition government with Labour last year. And the Liberal Democrats were involved in discussions about potentially being part of the current coalition government. Does this not disqualify him from being the next speaker?
(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
His election agent are you? I'd hold the same position if it were JPKC standing or any other leftist for that matter.

Quite the reverse, it shows Morgsie has no strong convictions and is thus perfectly suited to a role of none.
I took over when the Party was in a Coalition with Labour and I pulled the Party out. As I have said before the reason why I decided not to stand is because I didn't want to risk sliding down at this time because I might be going back to Uni depending on Funding and the Uni Dr clearing me.

I do have convictions, how dare you both say I haven't. I am suited to many roles because of my numerous strengths which far outweigh my weaknesses.
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Quite the reverse, it shows Morgsie has no strong convictions and is thus perfectly suited to a role of none.
I owe you so much rep :banana:
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