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    (Original post by n00)
    So whats your logic? Is it that no one is a potential shill because it's virtually impossible for anyone to prove otherwise. What a wonderfully naive world you live in!
    All I'm saying is that if you're going to discredit someone and trash their reputation by calling them a 'shill' etc then you better have some pretty strong evidence to back up your claims, otherwise what you're engaging in is slander. A prosecutable offence. Disliking someone and disagreeing with their political views -for me- doesn't really count as tangible evidence. It has to be a bit more conclusive than that.
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    (Original post by n00)
    So whats your logic? Is it that no one is a potential shill because it's virtually impossible for anyone to prove otherwise. What a wonderfully naive world you live in!
    He's far from naive and I agree with him. The word "shill" is being branded about just because some people disagree with your lefty views.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    With today's news that the EDL are telling people to vote Ukip, it's hardly just some wild label I'm attaching to your beloved party out of thin air.
    Well if UKIP are just a presentable front for more extremist organisations why don't you petition TSR to close TSR UKIP down?

    Good luck with that.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Hardly robotic. The easiest and least controversial opinions to hold in 2013 in student circles are very much to the left. Wearing a che gueva t-shirt and spewing nonsense about being a neo-Marxist, environmentalist, social justice 'activist' is not some amazing unique viewpoint that you've reached after careful consideration and debate with people with a broad spectrum of opinions. How much brain power does it take to just spew the Guardian editorial week in week out?
    Completely agree. In my opinion that's why so many students are leftists, because it's immediately appealing and utopian and provides simple answers to complicated problems. Marx, 'the idol of the idle'.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Sadly, despite the truth of much of your posting, the world has entered a phase since the 80s where right wing libertarianism and related economic theory has been much on the ascendant, to the point where it succeeded in taking over the established parties of the working classes like the Democrats in the US and Labour here. Most of the leaders from those parties over the last years have been neoliberals, not least people like Ed Balls, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Bill Clinton, etc. So in fact, despite the apparent 'victory' of leftish parties at many points, the reality of their policies has been anything but.
    That's true, but in a purely social sense, leftism seems to have won. There are no longer different legal freedoms for different groups of people, and conservative paternalism has been pushed back quite substantially.
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    (Original post by tjf8)
    Completely agree. In my opinion that's why so many students are leftists, because it's immediately appealing and utopian and provides simple answers to complicated problems. Marx, 'the idol of the idle'.
    Spot on. No doubt I'll ruffle some feathers by saying this, but students should be largely ignored when it comes to politics. The vast majority of them will change their political opinions once they are out in the big, bad world.
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    Modern Liberalism at its best folks.

    "Hey, there seems to be a pretty heavy UKIP following on these forums. How should we silence them?"

    I know what we should do, we should ban any opinion that "fullofsurprises" doesn't agree with because that will make it a happier place. Come on now, don't be such a hypocritical fool. The idea of the debate section is to argue your case and point; if you disagree with them, argue with them and attempt to flaw their case. You can't just silence a huge proportion of the forums because you consider their views as wrong. Fool.
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    (Original post by Blackburn_Allen)
    Modern Liberalism at its best folks.

    "Hey, there seems to be a pretty heavy UKIP following on these forums. How should we silence them?"

    I know what we should do, we should ban any opinion that "fullofsurprises" doesn't agree with because that will make it a happier place. Come on now, don't be such a hypocritical fool. The idea of the debate section is to argue your case and point; if you disagree with them, argue with them and attempt to flaw their case. You can't just silence a huge proportion of the forums because you consider their views as wrong. Fool.
    And she does PPE at Oxford apparently. It's worrying.

    (I bet she works for The Guardian)
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    otherwise what you're engaging in is slander. A prosecutable offence.
    :rofl:
    Wow if I were the paranoid type I might take that as a potential threat. Fortunately, paranoid or not i don't think theres too much cause for concern. Who are we slandering? A few aliases on a student room or is it right-wing factions?
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    (Original post by qwerty457)
    I don't think it's fair to group UKIP with BNP and EDL. They are totally different.

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    They clearly aren't, which is why the EDL have today endorsed Ukip and advised their supporters to vote Ukip.
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...-nigel-farage/
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    They clearly aren't, which is why the EDL have today endorsed Ukip and advised their supporters to vote Ukip.
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...-nigel-farage/
    The endorsement by EDL doesn't mean that UKIP and the EDL are the same. I don't suppose that Farage would appreciate the support of a racist group. UKIP are not racist.
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    (Original post by Blackburn_Allen)
    Modern Liberalism at its best folks.

    "Hey, there seems to be a pretty heavy UKIP following on these forums. How should we silence them?"

    I know what we should do, we should ban any opinion that "fullofsurprises" doesn't agree with because that will make it a happier place. Come on now, don't be such a hypocritical fool. The idea of the debate section is to argue your case and point; if you disagree with them, argue with them and attempt to flaw their case. You can't just silence a huge proportion of the forums because you consider their views as wrong. Fool.
    I didn't say the sentence you place in quotation marks, nor did I suggest that we silence them.

    I suggested we should discuss if this is what we want these forums to be, dominated by the same few very far-right wing posters, doing the same thing every day, reposting hundreds of threads with variants of the exact same few far-right themes. It appears that most people agree with me that this shouldn't be the case. The issue of how to stop it revolves around the nature of these posters. There is a discussion that as they clearly represent Ukip and the EDL/BNP, then that should be thought about in terms of them completely taking over the forum.
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    (Original post by Omniscience)
    The endorsement by EDL doesn't mean that UKIP and the EDL are the same. I don't suppose that Farage would appreciate the support of a racist group. UKIP are not racist.
    They repeatedly raise immigration as their main issue, they incorporate many well-known racist themes into their platforms and several of their leading members/MEPs have form as racists. If it looks like one, smells like one and tastes like one, it is one. This latest seal of approval by EDL just puts the final stamp on it.
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    (Original post by n00)
    :rofl:
    Wow if I were the paranoid type I might take that as a potential threat. Fortunately, paranoid or not i don't think theres too much cause for concern. Who are we slandering? A few aliases on a student room or is it right-wing factions?
    It pretty clearly was a threat.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I didn't say the sentence you place in quotation marks, nor did I suggest that we silence them.

    I suggested we should discuss if this is what we want these forums to be, dominated by the same few very far-right wing posters, doing the same thing every day, reposting hundreds of threads with variants of the exact same few far-right themes. It appears that most people agree with me that this shouldn't be the case. The issue of how to stop it revolves around the nature of these posters. There is a discussion that as they clearly represent Ukip and the EDL/BNP, then that should be thought about in terms of them completely taking over the forum.
    Is there anything inherently wrong with it? You are not obligated to read the threads and I do not see why this should be much of a concern.
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    (Original post by Tpx)
    And she does PPE at Oxford apparently. It's worrying.

    (I bet she works for The Guardian)
    As such is the dangers of the student political views. I am a student myself and I guess I could be considered right-wing due to me opposing mass immigration (Not all immigration by the way fullofsurprises so don't call me an EDL bigot just yet :rolleyes:) and I consistently get called the next Nick Griffin on student campus purely because I express my disdain for such a flawed policy, yet I would probably align myself in the centre. However the modern liberalism that has somehow infested itself in our educational institutions, and as such the left wing dogma that is more or less thrown in the faces of our youth, means that up until them leaving into the big, wide world outside of education they tend to hold such abhorrent views; views that, perhaps unintentionally, aim to silence those that don't ascribe to their own opinions and views that any one who isn't in an activist for the left is considered "wrong" or anyone that remotely opposes such socialist ideals is obviously a bigot, fascist or downright racist.
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    (Original post by Omniscience)
    Is there anything inherently wrong with it? You are not obligated to read the threads and I do not see why this should be much of a concern.
    It's a shame, because as I said, it effectively shuts down TSR as a gathering point for students to discuss their concerns about this government's policies and their sustained attacks on the poor, the disabled and working people. This is clearly the aim of the said group of posters, they intend to make the UK political forum unusable. Judging from a number of comments, people agree that this is putting them off coming here and joining discussions.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I didn't say the sentence you place in quotation marks, nor did I suggest that we silence them.

    I suggested we should discuss if this is what we want these forums to be, dominated by the same few very far-right wing posters, doing the same thing every day, reposting hundreds of threads with variants of the exact same few far-right themes. It appears that most people agree with me that this shouldn't be the case. The issue of how to stop it revolves around the nature of these posters. There is a discussion that as they clearly represent Ukip and the EDL/BNP, then that should be thought about in terms of them completely taking over the forum.
    What are these "far-right themes"? I assume you mean things like immigration.

    I hate to break it to you, but this country is in a bit of a mess. Something has gone wrong and folk like you aren't going to fix it.

    Most views you would brand "far-right" are probably far more realistic than any views you hold.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    They repeatedly raise immigration as their main issue, they incorporate many well-known racist themes into their platforms and several of their leading members/MEPs have form as racists. If it looks like one, smells like one and tastes like one, it is one. This latest seal of approval by EDL just puts the final stamp on it.
    The Tories raised immigration as an issue in their election campaign. Political parties often highlight immigration as it is an issue at the heart of many voters. Could you please quote the 'racist themes' mentioned in their platforms? UKIP has supporters of all ethnicities and Nigel Farage has repeatedly stated UKIP's policies. He doesn't hate foreign people and nor does UKIP.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    They clearly aren't, which is why the EDL have today endorsed Ukip and advised their supporters to vote Ukip.
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...-nigel-farage/
    Just because they have endorsed them it doesn't mean they are the same does it? That is such a foolish thing to say.
 
 
 
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