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VOTE: MHoC By-election (July 2014) Watch

  • View Poll Results: Who do you wish to elect as an MP in the TSR Model House of Commons?
    PicardianSocialist (sponsored by TSR Libertarian Party)
    9
    11.11%
    tehFrance (sponsored by TSR Conservative Party)
    22
    27.16%
    St. Brynjar (sponsored by TSR Green, TSR Socialist, and TSR Labour parties)
    32
    39.51%
    Ruitker (sponsored by TSR UKIP)
    5
    6.17%
    MacDaddi (sponsored by TSR Liberal Party)
    13
    16.05%
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    The thing with that is that we don't have a set number of seats which are up for grabs in a by-election. We have one seat this time, but we may have 2 or even three in a future time, do you in that case allow the top four canidates to go through?
    This would only apply for a single-seat by-election.
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      (Original post by O133)
      This would only apply for a single-seat by-election.
      Therein lies another problem IMO. You need to have the same rules for the by-elections. We can't have one system for two or three seat by-elections, and another for single seat by-elections.
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      (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
      Therein lies another problem IMO. You need to have the same rules for the by-elections. We can't have one system for two or three seat by-elections, and another for single seat by-elections.
      We kind of do at the moment.
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      (Original post by St. Brynjar)
      Delighted with the result, thanks to everyone that voted for me. Whilst I appreciate this has more to do with who I was supported by as opposed to policy (especially considering the stature of the other candidates), I'm pleased nonetheless, especially since this is indicative of a unified government. Commiserations to the other who ran, all of whom will win future MP elections without doubt.

      I look forward to serving you all as an independent MP
      My congratulations to the honourable gentleman.

      Will he be making a formal maiden speech to the House?
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      (Original post by Ruitker)
      Why is it amusing?At least we managed to field a candidate.
      Nothing personal, it's just I'm a Green, and we don't like UKIP to do well
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      (Original post by Blue Meltwater)
      Nothing personal, it's just I'm a Green, and we don't like UKIP to do well
      Understandable; although slightly bigoted.
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      Congratulations to St. Brynjar.

      Commiserations to the other candidates, all very strong contenders to join the MP benches.
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      Yay!
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      (Original post by O133)
      They're in a coalition with the Tories, that doesn't make them centre-left!

      Still assuming the Libers are right, I make it left 32, right 36 even excluding the Liberals. Only when you eliminate the Libertarian votes as well do the left have a majority.

      Simulating this under AV:

      Round 1
      Gov't 32
      Tory 22
      Liberal 13
      Liber 9
      UKIP 5

      Round 2 - UKIP votes transfer to Tory
      Gov't 32
      Tory 27
      Liberal 13
      Liber 9

      Round 3 - Liber votes transfer to Tory (this is the least likely transfer of the lot, in reality they may be split, and this would likely decide the outcome)
      Tory 36
      Gov't 32
      Liberal 13

      Round 4 - Liberal votes transfer to Tory
      Tory 49
      Gov't 32

      Outcome: tehFrance wins

      Obviously not the outcome I would have liked but certainly not unlikely.

      So in actual fact not the greatest of performances from a government that had 50% of the vote in the GE.
      Actually I think you have got the vote changes wrong, I would think that the Libers and UKIP would likely both transfer to the liberals, I don't see UKIP voting for TehFrance, so I would say under AV the Liberals would have won, seems strange seeing how much lower they were in terms of votes than both the Tory's and the Govt.
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        (Original post by adam9317)
        Round 2 - UKIP votes transfer to Tory

        This would mean that the UKIP vote transfers to tehFrance, but nothing against the Frenchman, but I am sure most of UKIP would rather transfer to someone who lives and knows Britain!
        Hate to break this to you but I live in Britain, I actually know the NHS incredibly well, I don't need to use it to know it as that's the thing about work, you learn about those who work for X, Y, Z company and find out what's wrong, the NHS needs rebuilding with the nurses in control as they provide front line services yet take the brunt of cuts for example.

        I have experience with the police too...

        Edit: Could I also point out that I know this country, yes I know it from a different POV but I know this country. I went to school here, I went to uni here, I have my business largely based in the UK (which pays tax btw, not as much as I would be enough).

        I think you to actually make sure that I haven't lived here or know anything about this country before making stupid comments.

        I will also say that I hate UKIP on the basis that they want out, it's one thing to go for reform then maybe leave but another to want out entirely without a fight and your RL counterparts are tossers in parliament, rarely do they contribute. Also Farage is a massive hypocrite as he'll accept a German but not a Romanian living next door, wonder if he'd change his tune if it was an East German :lol: I'd bet my last penny you are all alike... Just not as stupid in public.
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        (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
        Care to give an example? Though I think it is slightly ludicrous that a party in coalition with the Conservatives claims to have an appeal to the centre-left. The fact that the three members of your leadership team include you, a pseudo-Tory, MacDaddi- a former Libertarian, and Birchington- an Orange Booker. I don't see anyone remotely centre-left, and it would be more credible to just make that point clear. Were you a centre-left party, you'd appeal to me.


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        Mazzini is a social Democrat. Thankfully fairly pragmatic.

        I can think of an instance myself actually. When they chose a coalition with us over the left Saoirce and Physics Kid went potty. A month later it emerged that they spearheaded the VoNC for thankfully baseless reasons. If I were a left leaning liberal seeing that, I'd question whether I want to be involved with people who throw toys out of the pram.
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        (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
        Care to give an example? Thoug
        h I think it is slightly ludicrous that a party in coalition with the Conservatives claims to have an appeal to the centre-left. The fact that the three members of your leadership team include you, a pseudo-Tory, MacDaddi- a former Libertarian, and Birchington- an Orange Booker. I don't see anyone remotely centre-left, and it would be more credible to just make that point clear. Were you a centre-left party, you'd appeal to me.


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        As much as I don't like naming names but Rakas is correct in both respects. Another MP of ours MangoFreak is a SD (this is Half of our Liberal MP's) We also have a fair amount if old timers who tend to be active internally who are social democrats.

        As I said they are a small group but they are a significant part of our membership. Also I would also like to point out that I an not a pseudo Tory to any extent and what makes you think that? It might interest you to know that I wrote: the Humanist Marriages Act and the Anti Monarchy - repeal bill and the repeal of one section of the Serious Crime and Policing Act. All of which are not conservative policies or idea's to any extent!

        Mac was a Libertarian but he is now a centralist Liberal, his economic stance has changed since his time in the Liberals. On a final note I would also classify myself as an Orange Booker due to being socially liberal and slightly right of center on economic issues.
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        (Original post by Rakas21)
        I can think of an instance myself actually. When they chose a coalition with us over the left Saoirce and Physics Kid went potty. A month later it emerged that they spearheaded the VoNC for thankfully baseless reasons. If I were a left leaning liberal seeing that, I'd question whether I want to be involved with people who throw toys out of the pram.
        Well said. The conduct of some on the left following our rejection of their coalition offer last year left a very bad taste in the mouth of pretty much all Liberals.

        It's accurate to describe the current positioning of the Liberal leadership as just right of centre. However, we have some excellent social democrats - Mazzini and MangoFreak in particular - who act as a positive check and balance to keep us firmly in the political centre.
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        Hi guys, congratulations to St Brynjar and commiserations to the others. There are some great showings for all parties here, and I'm sure everyone here will end up in an MP seat soon enough! For those who are new, remember that as a non-MP you can do almost everything an MP can do, the only thing you can't do is vote in the division lobby: so please feel free to tuck into the debates we already have going!

        But... there's a tiny problem...

        Unfortunately, I've noticed that there appears to be a slight technical issue with the poll which may have affected the totals a little bit, but I'm fairly sure it's very minor and won't affect the end result. Still, I'm going to get it all investigated just to be sure but it may take a while so please bear with us. Thanks.
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        A technical issue of 11 votes perhaps.
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        Was it a commie sabotage?
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        *******s, they've found me out.
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        (Original post by Birchington)
        Well said. The conduct of some on the left following our rejection of their coalition offer last year left a very bad taste in the mouth of pretty much all Liberals.
        Not wishing to reopen that can of worms, the reaction of the right to the VoNC had a similar effect on us.
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        (Original post by St. Brynjar)
        Not wishing to reopen that can of worms, the reaction of the right to the VoNC had a similar effect on us.
        I don't recall us acting badly. I congratulated the writers for their puppetering and did a bit of character assassination.
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        I've had a look through all of this stuff now and whilst there were a few votes in the totals which shouldn't have been there, it's not enough to change the end result and barely any values need adjusting at all. I'm actually going to leave it as it is rather than bother with any adjustments that could carry a few errors forward.
       
       
       
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