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    The removal of January exams by Micheal Gove was the tipping point
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    The Labour education system had failed us. So many people in my college could not even tell the time. Thankfully my dad taught me that before I even went to school. The results of the Labour implemented education system were appalling. Yet there were no Unions on strike. But when some tries to take a much needed rigorous approach, the Unions strike, full of hate for Gove from day one because he is a member of the Tory party. As far as I am concerned, the Unions were part of the failed Labour education system and do not deserve to have a say in it now.
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    (Original post by theike)
    The Labour education system had failed us. So many people in my college could not even tell the time. Thankfully my dad taught me that before I even went to school. The results of the Labour implemented education system were appalling. Yet there were no Unions on strike. But when some tries to take a much needed rigorous approach, the Unions strike, full of hate for Gove from day one because he is a member of the Tory party. As far as I am concerned, the Unions were part of the failed Labour education system and do not deserve to have a say in it now.

    There is another sensible person in this thread.
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    (Original post by theike)
    The Labour education system had failed us. So many people in my college could not even tell the time. Thankfully my dad taught me that before I even went to school. The results of the Labour implemented education system were appalling. Yet there were no Unions on strike. But when some tries to take a much needed rigorous approach, the Unions strike, full of hate for Gove from day one because he is a member of the Tory party. As far as I am concerned, the Unions were part of the failed Labour education system and do not deserve to have a say in it now.
    I absolutely loathe how the labour government handled education.
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    A new Education Secretary isn't going to reverse Gove's flagship policies.

    What is likely to happen is:

    That a quango will provide proper oversight for free schools and academies. The new woman is from the Treasury where they know that pots of public money attract crooks like honey attracts bees. The final straw was the failure to spot the Islamic infiltration in Birmingham. Gove was unwilling to see that people attracted to running schools might have ulterior motives.

    Morgan is younger and therefore unlikely to see the 1980s as a golden age of education as Gove did.

    I would be surprised if Morgan sees education as being as narrow as Gove did. One really couldn't see Gove having any interest beyond a narrow academic curriculum. During Gove's tenure no effort was made to make vocational qualifications stronger.

    I think the war on term-time holidays will stop and generally I think parents are likely to be put at the centre of education policy. "Parent" was a word that rarely fell from Gove's lips.

    Now Gove has gone, I think a lot of people interested in education on the political right who have bitten their lips so as not to undermine him, are going to come out with their real views. It will be interesting to hear what Ken Baker now has to say.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)

    That a quango will provide proper oversight for free schools and academies. The new woman is from the Treasury where they know that pots of public money attract crooks like honey attracts bees. The final straw was the failure to spot the Islamic infiltration in Birmingham. Gove was unwilling to see that people attracted to running schools might have ulterior motives.
    And yet the sequestration of free schools by grasping, corrupt heads and governors or by cabals of religious extremists is almost written into the format. It was completely predictable. I don't find the apparent sudden realisation that this is the case by the government in any way convincing. They basically wanted to toady to various groups of reactionary religious voters by giving them 'what they want' - sectarian, bigoted and anti-scientific 'education' for their children and the exclusion of other children.

    There was a relevant report yesterday that the London Oratory School achieves total social class selection by a range of tricks surrounding its religious status. It really is a massive class-based scam packaged as church schools and it was the defense of those scams that opened the door to all the others.
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    (Original post by theike)
    The Labour education system had failed us. So many people in my college could not even tell the time. Thankfully my dad taught me that before I even went to school. The results of the Labour implemented education system were appalling. Yet there were no Unions on strike. But when some tries to take a much needed rigorous approach, the Unions strike, full of hate for Gove from day one because he is a member of the Tory party. As far as I am concerned, the Unions were part of the failed Labour education system and do not deserve to have a say in it now.
    Actually, to be fair to them, Labour were trying to reverse decades of neglect in educational funding for the state sector going back to the Thatcher era.

    Educational standards have risen in the UK both on exam results and on tests. The stories that the UK is notably worse in various international tests, like maths ones, are often distorted. However, it is also true that like other countries with large recent influxes of immigrants from poor countries, the picture is mixed and the state system is strained.
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    (Original post by Numberwang)
    Michael Gove has been demoted from Education Secretary to Chief Whip - he has been in the role for 5 years and made a number of controversial changes to the structure of GCSEs and A-levels which have been unpopular with teachers.

    David Cameron has announced on his Twitter that he's become Chief Whip.

    Breaking right now. What do you make of the decision to remove perhaps the most controversial Education Secretary in British political history?

    UPDATE: Nicky Morgan, the former Minister for Women, has replaced Gove as Cameron looks to introduce more women into his cabinet. However, her only experience in education has been working with Universities Minister David Willetts.

    Michael Gove was active in the role right up until his last day, having yesterday announced changes to the style GCSE PE, A-level Maths and A-level modern languages.
    Gove was a tool but compared to most of cabinet he was a moderate tool. Cameron has culled the moderates in the run up to the general election, interesting how that will go.
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    I'd trust only former headteachers with the position of education secretary.
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    The viewpoint is there, but the education is certainly not. Why do you think there are many ads on TV to stop people doing things (i.e smoking) - because they work. Education works.
    And there is extremely hard solid scientific evidence porn, video game addiction, smoking, excessive eating all cause Hypofrontality and Desensitization. And that exersize and meditation reverse these by increasing dopamine and dopamine receptors. You are incredibly ignorant. A neuroscience perspective on academic achievement I thought was original and many people ignore the Hypofrontality- not helped by the fact their is no education on it. You're jut as obnoxious and ignorant as somebody who claims cancer and depression does not exist.
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    (Original post by spookz)
    The removal of January exams by Micheal Gove was the tipping point
    It was a very bad idea indeed. +Rep.
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    (Original post by theike)
    The Labour education system had failed us. So many people in my college could not even tell the time. Thankfully my dad taught me that before I even went to school. The results of the Labour implemented education system were appalling. Yet there were no Unions on strike. But when some tries to take a much needed rigorous approach, the Unions strike, full of hate for Gove from day one because he is a member of the Tory party. As far as I am concerned, the Unions were part of the failed Labour education system and do not deserve to have a say in it now.
    The strike was about pay and conditions, not about anything else and was the culmination of a 2 year long dispute extending beyond just teachers. Attempting to recast the strike to be about the quality of education in schools is disingenuous.

    Also, you are wrong about there being no strikes for teachers during the previous Labour government. There was a strike under Gordon Brown's premiership, the first in 21 years (yes do the maths, that takes us well into the conservative period of the 90's).

    Of course it is a lot easier to construct a story off the top of your head to fit your ideological viewpoint rather than actually look at the facts.
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    Do these changes mean that the stupid grade 1-9 system won't come in and we'll still have grade A*-U
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    Well, Cameron has delivered his message.

    He's radically increased the number of inexperienced female ministers, introduced in a completely unnatural and rapid fashion, appeasing the feminists.

    He's leaned Euroskeptic, hoping to wrestle votes back from UKIP.

    He's axed Michael Gove, one of the most divisive yet brilliant Education Secretaries in memory, hoping to steal teacher votes.

    And the sad thing is, whilst these changes have considerably weakened his Cabinet, they are still miles better than anything Labour can produce.
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    Michael Gove had the right ideas but was absolutely appalling in the way he implemented them.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Michael Gove had the right ideas but was absolutely appalling in the way he implemented them.
    I agree with this to some extent, but if he was the sort of person who tried the 'softer approach' (i.e. negotiating,drafting new educational reforms after much deliberation and influence from teacher unions) not only would his reforms have been much less effective but they would also have taken a much longer time. He's delivered real change in the narrow opportunity he had to do it.
    Gove has achieved in 4 years what governments have failed to do over decades.
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    (Original post by qwepoizxcmnb)
    I agree with this to some extent, but if he was the sort of person who tried the 'softer approach' (i.e. negotiating,drafting new educational reforms after much deliberation and influence from teacher unions) not only would his reforms have been much less effective but they would also have taken a much longer time. He's delivered real change in the narrow opportunity he had to do it.
    Gove has achieved in 4 years what governments have failed to do over decades.
    Certainly, his efficiency is something to be commended.

    However, I would like to use one example. Last year, Michael Gove revised the national Geography curriculum, failing to release it until one month before the term started. If he had adequate knowledge on the kind of preparation needed for teachers, this decision might not have been so reckless. It is customary for a two-year notice to be given so that these preparations can be made and can be accommodated for by schools. It causes severe management issues (I can speak personally from experience) and is extremely inconvenient.

    Implementing reforms in the middle of the year is absurd as far as anybody experienced in education is concerned.
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    Actually, to be fair to them, Labour were trying to reverse decades of neglect in educational funding for the state sector going back to the Thatcher era.

    Educational standards have risen in the UK both on exam results and on tests. The stories that the UK is notably worse in various international tests, like maths ones, are often distorted. However, it is also true that like other countries with large recent influxes of immigrants from poor countries, the picture is mixed and the state system is strained.
    So they went and spent spent spent and borrowed borrowed borrowed and ruined the economy. If funding the state sector meant ruining the economy, then I would rather them not do that.

    You do not like the results of the Labour education system so now you are making out that the stories are distorted. I used to live in Labour run Wales and the education there was notably worse to where I am now, It took me a long time to improve. What some people fail to realise is spending so much money on education does not mean academic performance will improve. The best way to improve academic performance is having a strong work ethic which is best gained from one's parents.
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    (Original post by MathMeister)
    The viewpoint is there, but the education is certainly not. Why do you think there are many ads on TV to stop people doing things (i.e smoking) - because they work. Education works.
    And there is extremely hard solid scientific evidence porn, video game addiction, smoking, excessive eating all cause Hypofrontality and Desensitization. And that exersize and meditation reverse these by increasing dopamine and dopamine receptors. You are incredibly ignorant. A neuroscience perspective on academic achievement I thought was original and many people ignore the Hypofrontality- not helped by the fact their is no education on it. You're jut as obnoxious and ignorant as somebody who claims cancer and depression does not exist.
    As soon as someone starts talking about dopamine as some kind of 'magic solution' to all psychological problems, you can be almost certain they have no idea what they're talking about.


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