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(Original post by Rakas21)
The ultimate indictment of the blob like nature of the left. Deputy C1 of the Socialists, leader of Greens and Labour.
I got around a bit didn't I? :lol: To be fair when I joined here I was just a 16 year old pissed off about Clegg and tuition fees, you'll have to forgive the whole seeing where I fit in phase I wonder how people would react if I said after some personal changes I'd now like to join the Tories...

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A little bit, some chaos in the Liberal Party. It appears to have smoothed over now - Traffic Light Coalition's been pretty good.
Ah, nothing ever changes then Glad to hear it though! The left always did dream of getting the Libs onside.
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Ah, nothing ever changes then Glad to hear it though! The left always did dream of getting the Libs onside.
I think we mostly have tbh. Although I'd prefer it if the lefties joined Labour.
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Because of course nobody's served in both Tory and UKIP leadership. In fact, I seem to remember someone serving in both concurrently during my fairly short time here.

(Original post by Rakas21)
That be true.
Good grief, how the heck did that one happen? I'm pretty sure even I was only ever briefly a Socialist Deputy on top of anything else!

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To be honest I don't know how or why I was ever a Socialist. Labour are slightly more right-wing than when you were last about, with significant numbers of senior MPs voting against more Scottish devolution and for the abolition of the Welsh Assembly, for example.
Ah okay. Are the Greens still "pragmatic" as Rakas was ever so fond of saying? Would probably make for a pretty stable balanced government in that case.
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Ah okay. Are the Greens still "pragmatic" as Rakas was ever so fond of saying? Would probably make for a pretty stable balanced government in that case.
Not really. We're the pragmatic ones that the right seem to be sucking up to.
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I think we mostly have tbh. Although I'd prefer it if the lefties joined Labour.
But then you do leave it as a right-wing Tory-allied yellow blob to vote against you... sometimes allies can be more useful than members! I'm sure in retrospect real-life Labour would've happily sacrificed some lefties to the Lib Dems to keep Clegg out of the leadership...
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Traffic light coalition's been pretty good..

https://youtu.be/HsL1E_-kr2Q

The Liberals have completely failed to moderate the coalition and the Greens have gone nuttier than a Giraffe being strangled by a Penguin. Granted Labour has been reasonably sane.
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Not really. We're the pragmatic ones that the right seem to be sucking up to.
I was probably left of most of you to begin with in all honesty so makes sense. Grand Coalition on the cards for next term then?

(Just realised I never actually quit the party so I can just pop in and spy on you actually :wink2: )
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(Original post by Saoirse:3)
Are the Greens still "pragmatic" as Rakas was ever so fond of saying? Would probably make for a pretty stable balanced government in that case.
Quite simply no The Greens have gone extreme and the Liberals have failed to moderate the coalition back towards the centre. If anything, Labour have been the pragmatic ones this term.
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But then you do leave it as a right-wing Tory-allied yellow blob to vote against you... sometimes allies can be more useful than members! I'm sure in retrospect real-life Labour would've happily sacrificed some lefties to the Lib Dems to keep Clegg out of the leadership...
That is of course very true and something I did have in mind as I said it.
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Traffic light coalition's been pretty good..

https://youtu.be/HsL1E_-kr2Q

The Liberals have completely failed to moderate the coalition and the Greens have gone nuttier than a Giraffe being strangled by a Penguin. Granted Labour has been reasonably sane.
That's my baby Green party! How nutty would that be then, have the white cliffs of Dover been covered with green solar panels flashing up "We Love Immigrants" messages yet?
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(Original post by Saoirse:3)
Ah okay. Are the Greens still "pragmatic" as Rakas was ever so fond of saying? Would probably make for a pretty stable balanced government in that case.
They've lost their nut a bit. As radical, if not more so than the RL Green Party.

TSR Labour is still left of the RL Party but perhaps not by as much as it used to be. Though in fairness the RL Party has moved to the left so it isn't a big deal I think.
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Quite simply no The Greens have gone extreme and the Liberals have failed to moderate the coalition back towards the centre. If anything, Labour have been the pragmatic ones this term.

(Original post by RayApparently)
That is of course very true and something I did have in mind as I said it.
Who actually leads this left-captive Liberal party anyway then? Only one I could imagine from my time doing that would be Mazzini if he ever took the reigns...
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Good grief, how the heck did that one happen? I'm pretty sure even I was only ever briefly a Socialist Deputy on top of anything else!

Ah okay. Are the Greens still "pragmatic" as Rakas was ever so fond of saying? Would probably make for a pretty stable balanced government in that case.
. As they were about to collapse Bun decided to rescue Ukip via joint membership while he was Tory DL, he then saw an opportunity and briefly became Ukip leader. He then left the House before any action was taken although he's returned and is now Tory Chair.
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They've lost their nut a bit. As radical, if not more so than the RL Green Party.

TSR Labour is still left of the RL Party but perhaps not by as much as it used to be. Though in fairness the RL Party has moved to the left so it isn't a big deal I think.
Oh I don't even know where the RL party is, Red Ed/Steady Eddy seems to have policies on a roundabout depending on who he's talking to. Not to mention personalities.
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. As they were about to collapse Bun decided to rescue Ukip via joint membership while he was Tory DL, he then saw an opportunity and briefly became Ukip leader. He then left the House before any action was taken although he's returned and is now Tory Chair.
I think he must be my right-wing soulmate
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(Original post by Saoirse:3)
Who actually leads this left-captive Liberal party anyway then? Only one I could imagine from my time doing that would be Mazzini if he ever took the reigns...
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Oh I don't even know where the RL party is, Red Ed/Steady Eddy seems to have policies on a roundabout depending on who he's talking to. Not to mention personalities.
Some of them are pretty socialistic - pre-distribution economics (my kinda style) and radical democratic reforms i.e. abolition of the House of Lords in favour of an elected Senate.
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Some of them are pretty socialistic - pre-distribution economics (my kinda style) and radical democratic reforms i.e. abolition of the House of Lords in favour of an elected Senate.
Nope, not heard of them

That's true, be very interesting to see if he can actually do that if he end up in Downing Street. Then there's the stuff like his horrible attempt at energy price-fixing, mixed in with UKIP-lite immigration rhetoric and a commitment to austerity... I certainly wouldn't want to be tasked with placing him on a left-right scale.
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Who actually leads this left-captive Liberal party anyway then? Only one I could imagine from my time doing that would be Mazzini if he ever took the reigns...
That's where it's all a bit murky. The Liberals were led initially by MacDaddi but he was deposed due to inactivity(?) with Green_Pink now acting leader. The current leadership elections seem to be in complete disarray though.
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Nope, not heard of them

That's true, be very interesting to see if he can actually do that if he end up in Downing Street. Then there's the stuff like his horrible attempt at energy price-fixing, mixed in with UKIP-lite immigration rhetoric and a commitment to austerity... I certainly wouldn't want to be tasked with placing him on a left-right scale.
The energy reforms I think could be amazingly successful. The immigration rhetoric is silly but the austerity plans are by and large sensible. There is of course a better, more socialistic way but this is a matter of politics and image as well as pure economics and ideology.
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That's where it's all a bit murky. The Liberals were led initially by MacDaddi but he was deposed due to inactivity(?) with Green_Pink as acting leader. The current leadership elections seem to be in complete disarray.
MacDaddi? As in the Libertarian guy taking them in with a rabidly lefty Green party? Interesting... Any digs on the candidates?
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