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Privilege of any sort will always exist, because true equality is unaccomplishable. It's a sad fact of life.

What people tend to forget is that in countries where the indigenous population is white, white privilege naturally exists.

Would white people born in countries such as Iraq or South Africa still be privileged because they're white?
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That's just justifying racism and discrimination.

White people could say the same about others.




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That wasn't racism lmao

Anti-white resentment in Vietnam is justified tbh
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That wasn't racism lmao

Anti-white resentment in Vietnam is justified tbh
Anti white?! Not racist........ Ok. You seem smart.

You mean anti American? I guess the black political party in South Africa calling for white genocide is justified too?

It's good your racist colours are coming out.....tbh


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Anti white?! Not racist........ Ok. You seem smart.

You mean anti American? I guess the black political party in South Africa calling for white genocide is justified too?

It's good your racist colours are coming out.....tbh


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Glad he's on my ignore list now lol

I really can't stand bigots like him.
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Anti white?! Not racist........ Ok. You seem smart.

You mean anti American? I guess the black political party in South Africa calling for white genocide is justified too?

It's good your racist colours are coming out.....tbh


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I said Anti-white as the typical Vietnamese person would associate whiteness with america. It would be hard for them to differentiate due to not being exposed to american culture or accents.

I said resentment. That is very different from discrimination or violence.......

Genocide is a completely different matter.

Reverse racism doesn't exist. Even so what I said was not remotely racist.
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Do you deny instuitional racism in the uk and abroad ?
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There is none in the UK.
The Macpherson report disagrees -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/news/vote2001/...00/1190971.stm

"The Macpherson report delivered a damning assessment of the "institutional racism" within the Metropolitan police and policing generally."
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I said Anti-white as the typical Vietnamese person would associate whiteness with america. It would be hard for them to differentiate due to not being exposed to american culture or accents.

I said resentment. That is very different from discrimination or violence.......

Genocide is a completely different matter.

Reverse racism doesn't exist. Even so what I said was not remotely racist.
LOL reverse racism doesn't exist. That PRESUMES white privilege and global one too.

Here's a big chink in the armour, if other countries have some sort of systematic privilege for the majority population, then such an issue in white countries is not unique. Even worse, if it's global (and this would be completely in line with social evolution and how we tend to act towards people) then there is nothing actually wrong with white privilege. In fact, it's just privilege. And exists everywhere.

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. There doesn't have to be similar DEGREES of systematic privilege. There just has to be privilege. You could even argue that white people feel the brunt the least or even none at all. Doesn't affect the argument. As long as black, brown and yellow people are affected by such systems world wide, by non whites then such a system is normal and worldwide. This hanged the whole discussion (id suggest that black people normally talk of white privilege with the implicit point that it's a unique thing but that's not too important).

The bottom line. If similar structures of society exist in decent numbers (and social evolution would suggest so) then what we can say is that such acceptance and pinpointing of this phenomenon seems to only happen in white countries. Perhaps, rather than being the race that cannot experience racism ourselves, we may be the only one that's on it's way to solving it. But this may he too soon. This conversation may come to some fruition in maybe 20-30 years or so.

Until then people like yourself will be hypocritical and only come to the problem of systematic privilege with a fundamental Eurocentric worldview (only to then turn around later and say how this is a result of WP - can you say ironic?)


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The Macpherson report disagrees -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/news/vote2001/...00/1190971.stm

"The Macpherson report delivered a damning assessment of the "institutional racism" within the Metropolitan police and policing generally."
The Met does not equal The UK
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Women are just thrown in there to make it a white male vs the world thing. Fact is white women have as much privilege as white males. White women dont get discriminated against.
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As I've tried to say before - it's not the fault of most white people today, most people haven't made conscious decisions to facilitate oppression. But unfortunately it does exist, all we can try and do is acknowledge it and help even the scales for everyone.

Wouldn't it be a much better would if we all had the same chances? If it really was just based off how hard you work and the choices you make, not where you're from or who your parents are? Sounds quite nice to me.
If its not your fault then go and help fix it.
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The Met does not equal The UK
The Met is in the UK, therefore there is institutional racism in the UK.
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Whether you like it or not white privilege clearly exists; the education system, stop and searches, job interviews and careers.
I recommend that you watch a TV show called The Wire, it just shows how white people are ****ed things up for blacks,latinos and brown people.
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Race: white, Thread: irrelevant.
I suppose you'll try and tell us that racism and slavery don't exist or that rape is a non existent event made up by women to seek attention right>
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It wasn't very clear because it was general. But the general statement still stands.

You don't have to reverse the EXACt SAME type of justification for racism.

But you're rebuttal was not much more than 'well they deserved it because of so and so'.

White people could make just as well evidenced argument that highlights why they're not as bad for doing it.


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so and so being a massive, destructive war?
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The Met does not equal The UK
The Met is a public institution, therefore institutional racism exists within the UK.
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Okay, right.

I am also white, straight and cis. The only difference, apparently, is that I'm a woman.

I can however acknowledge that historical oppression of minorities, combined with some lingering institutionalised prejudices (and socialised prejudices too), definitely adds up to an environment that causes some people to struggle in ways you and I will not understand or be able to experience.

Denying this is really just... Bizarre.

As an example - Black people were prevented from reaching positions of power or of higher salaries. Therefore their children could not have as comfortable a life as a white counterpart may have had (e.g. can't afford a private school, can't afford a private tutor etc). This results in the next generation also being unable to break out of the cycle, etc etc.

Sure, things are over all gradually improving for those who aren't white, who are disabled, not straight or not cis. But the fact that so many people do still having lingering prejudices (often ingrained since childhood and not necessarily the fault of the individual) does cause an environment of privilege for some.

It seems surreal to suggest that a gay, black, transgender woman has as much of a chance at a high-paying career, perhaps in government, as an upper class white straight cis man.
Would you consider affirmative action a minority privilege, then?

While I do agree with a decent chunk of what you've said here, one issue that springs to mind concerning your economic point is that, throughout most of history, white people haven't exactly been 'economically privileged' either - indeed, the majority haven't. For example, white Irish in North America faced tremendous poverty and prejudice despite being white, but, under this concept of white privilege, they and their their descendants would be considered historically privileged simply because their skin colour. Similarly, recent black immigrants may not have faced the same historical experiences and barriers, but are still considered held back and are afforded the same assistance because of the historical context of their skin colour.

My point is that skin colour is not always a determining factor of one's personal and family economic history, yet the idea of 'white privilege' would still treat it as such.
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LOL reverse racism doesn't exist. That PRESUMES white privilege and global one too.

Here's a big chink in the armour, if other countries have some sort of systematic privilege for the majority population, then such an issue in white countries is not unique. Even worse, if it's global (and this would be completely in line with social evolution and how we tend to act towards people) then there is nothing actually wrong with white privilege. In fact, it's just privilege. And exists everywhere.

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. There doesn't have to be similar DEGREES of systematic privilege. There just has to be privilege. You could even argue that white people feel the brunt the least or even none at all. Doesn't affect the argument. As long as black, brown and yellow people are affected by such systems world wide, by non whites then such a system is normal and worldwide. This hanged the whole discussion (id suggest that black people normally talk of white privilege with the implicit point that it's a unique thing but that's not too important).

The bottom line. If similar structures of society exist in decent numbers (and social evolution would suggest so) then what we can say is that such acceptance and pinpointing of this phenomenon seems to only happen in white countries. Perhaps, rather than being the race that cannot experience racism ourselves, we may be the only one that's on it's way to solving it. But this may he too soon. This conversation may come to some fruition in maybe 20-30 years or so.

Until then people like yourself will be hypocritical and only come to the problem of systematic privilege with a fundamental Eurocentric worldview (only to then turn around later and say how this is a result of WP - can you say ironic?)

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The only other comparable societies for privilege are former colonial countries such as South Africa, whereby privilege was actively assigned under governmental influence up until recently. Or the caste system of India.

One favours whites as a result of white supremacy/apartheid and the other has nothing to do with race.

I view the world in a eurocentric view, like everybody else, because of colonisation and white supremacy.
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Would you consider affirmative action a minority privilege, then?

While I do agree with a decent chunk of what you've said here, one issue that springs to mind concerning your economic point is that, throughout most of history, white people haven't exactly been 'economically privileged' either - indeed, the majority haven't. For example, white Irish in North America faced tremendous poverty and prejudice despite being white, but, under this concept of white privilege, they and their their descendants would be considered historically privileged simply because their skin colour. Similarly, recent black immigrants may not have faced the same historical experiences and barriers, but are still considered held back and are afforded the same assistance because of the historical context of their skin colour.

My point is that skin colour is not always a determining factor of one's personal and family economic history, yet the idea of 'white privilege' would still treat it as such.
Affirmative action is merely breaking down historic barriers that were largely set by white cis-men. It is a necessary way of bringing about equality.

White irish people have been able to assimilate and gain white privilege.

White privilege is privilege based on race. So bringing income or poverty into it changes little. For example can be white & poor, but your still more privileged than the black man in the same boat as you.

I think your confused as you've inserted a economic privilege aspect to it.
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britannia is the home of etnic British/English people. there is no problem with it
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Again, could you please give examples of when YOU have experienced the effects of "white privilege" or been disadvantaged due to you race//gender/sexuality rather than just blurting random "black people get followed round in shops", speaking from someone who worked in a supermarket for 2 years, I did not see this happen ONCE
Speaking from someone who's been black their whole life this has happened on multiple occasions, to myself, my mum and my dad, granted it's not a regular thing but please don't deny that it happens


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